We all know the truth about Heysel but it gets swept under the proverbial carpet.
Says it all about them lot that they every time safe standing gets brought up they come out with the mantra "I was there , I was there , justice for ther 96" . Yet look at the kop when they are at home and everyone is standing.
The thing is if every one of them that claims to have been at hillsborough that day had have been then that would be more than the amount of tickets they were given and I'm sure they wouldn't go to a match they didn't have a ticket for oh no
I think what it boils down to is that they got used to the club consulting them on these matters and now the club have decided, quite rightly in my opinion, that the design of the kit and the badge does not require their permission.
I never knew they had something on their shirt about those that died. I'm not sure it is necessary, there is no chance that the event will be forgotten. I'm also not sure there is any need to keep campaigning about it, but that's clearly a discussion we don't need to open here.
Complaining because they were not 'asked' by the club if they could change their shirt does look a lot like attention seeking to me.
Why does Hillsborough get mentioned so much and not the Bradford fire? Why does their issue get mentioned more because of their popularity and the heavier loss of life? Yes I have respect for those that have died in the Hillsborough disaster, but why is nothing ever done nor mentioned about the 56 that lost their life in the Bradford fire?
Why does Hillsborough get mentioned so much and not the Bradford fire? Why does their issue get mentioned more because of their popularity and the heavier loss of life? Yes I have respect for those that have died in the Hillsborough disaster, but why is nothing ever done nor mentioned about the 56 that lost their life in the Bradford fire?
I assume it is both down to the size of the fanbase/popularity of the two clubs and also who was responsible for the incident, the fans at LFC have always said it was the police and have spent 23 years fighting to have papers released etc, whereas the Bradford tragedy not too much has been mentioned. RIP both sets of fans
Why does Hillsborough get mentioned so much and not the Bradford fire? Why does their issue get mentioned more because of their popularity and the heavier loss of life? Yes I have respect for those that have died in the Hillsborough disaster, but why is nothing ever done nor mentioned about the 56 that lost their life in the Bradford fire?
I assume it is both down to the size of the fanbase/popularity of the two clubs and also who was responsible for the incident, the fans at LFC have always said it was the police and have spent 23 years fighting to have papers released etc, whereas the Bradford tragedy not too much has been mentioned. RIP both sets of fans
One of the main differences is that everyone involved on the day of the Bradford fire (whether fans, officials or emergency services) comes out of it deserving of our admiration and respect. At Hillsborough, there were questions of competence and blame which have run and run. If you look on Bradford and Lincoln forums, you'll see that there is genuine mutual respect and, though some comment with irritation on how the disaster is overlooked by the media, some say they feel a constant media interest a la Hillsborough would dilute their dignity.
Is there a group looking for the truth about Heysel?
'Lack of consultation' reads like they want a kickback.
Watched a documentary on it the other day, they were talking to fans who were 'their' and one mentioned Charlton fans along with other were in Heysel looking for trouble.
Is there a group looking for the truth about Heysel?
'Lack of consultation' reads like they want a kickback.
Watched a documentary on it the other day, they were talking to fans who were 'their' and one mentioned Charlton fans along with other were in Heysel looking for trouble.
Of course they were. Charlton turned up mob handed to settle a score with the Portsmouth and Forest firms that were there - along with numerous others.
I find it amazing that some would even dare to suggest that the fault my rest with Liverpool fans. Heavens above!
Why does Hillsborough get mentioned so much and not the Bradford fire? Why does their issue get mentioned more because of their popularity and the heavier loss of life? Yes I have respect for those that have died in the Hillsborough disaster, but why is nothing ever done nor mentioned about the 56 that lost their life in the Bradford fire?
It is marked at Bradford and normally mentioned in the football pages, but Hillsborough was a transformational landmark for the whole game, and is still a live and unresolved issue.
Why does Hillsborough get mentioned so much and not the Bradford fire? Why does their issue get mentioned more because of their popularity and the heavier loss of life? Yes I have respect for those that have died in the Hillsborough disaster, but why is nothing ever done nor mentioned about the 56 that lost their life in the Bradford fire?
It is marked at Bradford and normally mentioned in the football pages, but Hillsborough was a transformational landmark for the whole game, and is still a live and unresolved issue.
Yes - right. I can't really understand why people question the feeling of Liverpool fans groups. I sure would continue to try to get to the truth of that day if my loved one had been one of those who died and also be sensitive to things relating to that day - like how my club goes about a consultation process.
Why does Hillsborough get mentioned so much and not the Bradford fire? Why does their issue get mentioned more because of their popularity and the heavier loss of life? Yes I have respect for those that have died in the Hillsborough disaster, but why is nothing ever done nor mentioned about the 56 that lost their life in the Bradford fire?
It is marked at Bradford and normally mentioned in the football pages, but Hillsborough was a transformational landmark for the whole game, and is still a live and unresolved issue.
Yes - right. I can't really understand why people question the feeling of Liverpool fans groups. I sure would continue to try to get to the truth of that day if my loved one had been one of those who died and also be sensitive to things relating to that day - like how my club goes about a consultation process.
the trouble is they don't want to admit to some of the truth.
yes the FA were clowns for giving them a smaller end than the lesser supported Forest
yes the Police dealt with it all very badly
yes the sun newspaper made some ridiculous claims at the times
but they still won't accept one little bit that quite a lot of their fans went to a match they had no tickets for and caused contributed to the mass overcrowding which was to blame for the disaster. Much like they don't accept blame for Heysel and constantly try to brush that under the carpet.
Liverpool fans still to this day turn up to matches they don't have tickets for on the hope of "bunking in"
the trouble is they don't want to admit to some of the truth.
yes the FA were clowns for giving them a smaller end than the lesser supported Forest
yes the Police dealt with it all very badly
yes the sun newspaper made some ridiculous claims at the times
but they still won't accept one little bit that quite a lot of their fans went to a match they had no tickets for and caused contributed to the mass overcrowding which was to blame for the disaster. Much like they don't accept blame for Heysel and constantly try to brush that under the carpet.
Liverpool fans still to this day turn up to matches they don't have tickets for on the hope of "bunking in"
This. The amount of fans who travelled to Istanbul without tickets was ridiculous..........Only Liverpool.
The one thing that always gets me is the fact that they are innocent of any wrong doing, Hilsborough is a terrible and highly complicated issue. Also they have yet to learn their own lesson, some LFC fans were not allowed to get into their two Champions League Finals, even though they had ticketsas their fellow fans had stormed the turnstiles. If they cannot respect their own, why should anyone else?
Why does Hillsborough get mentioned so much and not the Bradford fire? Why does their issue get mentioned more because of their popularity and the heavier loss of life? Yes I have respect for those that have died in the Hillsborough disaster, but why is nothing ever done nor mentioned about the 56 that lost their life in the Bradford fire?
It is marked at Bradford and normally mentioned in the football pages, but Hillsborough was a transformational landmark for the whole game, and is still a live and unresolved issue.
Yes - right. I can't really understand why people question the feeling of Liverpool fans groups. I sure would continue to try to get to the truth of that day if my loved one had been one of those who died and also be sensitive to things relating to that day - like how my club goes about a consultation process.
the trouble is they don't want to admit to some of the truth.
yes the FA were clowns for giving them a smaller end than the lesser supported Forest
yes the Police dealt with it all very badly
yes the sun newspaper made some ridiculous claims at the times
but they still won't accept one little bit that quite a lot of their fans went to a match they had no tickets for and caused contributed to the mass overcrowding which was to blame for the disaster. Much like they don't accept blame for Heysel and constantly try to brush that under the carpet.
Liverpool fans still to this day turn up to matches they don't have tickets for on the hope of "bunking in"
Have you never been to a game without a ticket? I certainly have. When I was younger it was well known that you could get into the Valley without a ticket.
It is rumoured that one of our games (I think it was versus Arsenal) thousands got in without paying and the true attendance was over 80,000.
I just find this sniping at Liverpool fans distasteful. Trying to get the fans to shoulder some responsibility when clearly the authorities massively failed to manage the crowd on that day is just wrong.
I used to go to Trafalgar Square for the New Years celebration. The last year I went, it was massively overcrowded and people were crushed - fortunately no-one was killed. The following year people were crushed to death. The Authorities knew from previous years that it was a disaster waiting to happen but did nothing. After someone was killed, they took decisive action. The stable door was locked after the horse had bolted. So it was on a much worse scale at Hillsborough. It was a failure in the management of a crowd. With proper effective crowd management, it would never have happened. You can't blame fans who turned up for that.
i for one am backing the justice for the 96 campaign, i think its bang out of order that it has to go all the way to bluewater and not terminate like its rival the 422 at bexleyeath bus garage.
Why does Hillsborough get mentioned so much and not the Bradford fire? Why does their issue get mentioned more because of their popularity and the heavier loss of life? Yes I have respect for those that have died in the Hillsborough disaster, but why is nothing ever done nor mentioned about the 56 that lost their life in the Bradford fire?
It is marked at Bradford and normally mentioned in the football pages, but Hillsborough was a transformational landmark for the whole game, and is still a live and unresolved issue.
Yes - right. I can't really understand why people question the feeling of Liverpool fans groups. I sure would continue to try to get to the truth of that day if my loved one had been one of those who died and also be sensitive to things relating to that day - like how my club goes about a consultation process.
the trouble is they don't want to admit to some of the truth.
yes the FA were clowns for giving them a smaller end than the lesser supported Forest
yes the Police dealt with it all very badly
yes the sun newspaper made some ridiculous claims at the times
but they still won't accept one little bit that quite a lot of their fans went to a match they had no tickets for and caused contributed to the mass overcrowding which was to blame for the disaster. Much like they don't accept blame for Heysel and constantly try to brush that under the carpet.
Liverpool fans still to this day turn up to matches they don't have tickets for on the hope of "bunking in"
Have you never been to a game without a ticket? I certainly have. .
My problem is not so much that some of their fans did and still do this it's more that they won't accept that they did and still do.
Liverpool FC , ashamed of nothing offended by everything
Why does Hillsborough get mentioned so much and not the Bradford fire? Why does their issue get mentioned more because of their popularity and the heavier loss of life? Yes I have respect for those that have died in the Hillsborough disaster, but why is nothing ever done nor mentioned about the 56 that lost their life in the Bradford fire?
It is marked at Bradford and normally mentioned in the football pages, but Hillsborough was a transformational landmark for the whole game, and is still a live and unresolved issue.
Yes - right. I can't really understand why people question the feeling of Liverpool fans groups. I sure would continue to try to get to the truth of that day if my loved one had been one of those who died and also be sensitive to things relating to that day - like how my club goes about a consultation process.
the trouble is they don't want to admit to some of the truth.
yes the FA were clowns for giving them a smaller end than the lesser supported Forest
yes the Police dealt with it all very badly
yes the sun newspaper made some ridiculous claims at the times
but they still won't accept one little bit that quite a lot of their fans went to a match they had no tickets for and caused contributed to the mass overcrowding which was to blame for the disaster. Much like they don't accept blame for Heysel and constantly try to brush that under the carpet.
Liverpool fans still to this day turn up to matches they don't have tickets for on the hope of "bunking in"
Have you never been to a game without a ticket? I certainly have. .
My problem is not so much that some of their fans did and still do this it's more that they won't accept that they did and still do.
Liverpool FC , ashamed of nothing offended by everything
I have never tried to get into a game without a ticket - certainly not since I grew up.
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Says it all about them lot that they every time safe standing gets brought up they come out with the mantra "I was there , I was there , justice for ther 96" . Yet look at the kop when they are at home and everyone is standing.
The thing is if every one of them that claims to have been at hillsborough that day had have been then that would be more than the amount of tickets they were given and I'm sure they wouldn't go to a match they didn't have a ticket for oh no
I never knew they had something on their shirt about those that died. I'm not sure it is necessary, there is no chance that the event will be forgotten. I'm also not sure there is any need to keep campaigning about it, but that's clearly a discussion we don't need to open here.
Complaining because they were not 'asked' by the club if they could change their shirt does look a lot like attention seeking to me.
If you look on Bradford and Lincoln forums, you'll see that there is genuine mutual respect and, though some comment with irritation on how the disaster is overlooked by the media, some say they feel a constant media interest a la Hillsborough would dilute their dignity.
I find it amazing that some would even dare to suggest that the fault my rest with Liverpool fans. Heavens above!
yes the FA were clowns for giving them a smaller end than the lesser supported Forest
yes the Police dealt with it all very badly
yes the sun newspaper made some ridiculous claims at the times
but they still won't accept one little bit that quite a lot of their fans went to a match they had no tickets for and caused contributed to the mass overcrowding which was to blame for the disaster. Much like they don't accept blame for Heysel and constantly try to brush that under the carpet.
Liverpool fans still to this day turn up to matches they don't have tickets for on the hope of "bunking in"
It is rumoured that one of our games (I think it was versus Arsenal) thousands got in without paying and the true attendance was over 80,000.
I just find this sniping at Liverpool fans distasteful. Trying to get the fans to shoulder some responsibility when clearly the authorities massively failed to manage the crowd on that day is just wrong.
I used to go to Trafalgar Square for the New Years celebration. The last year I went, it was massively overcrowded and people were crushed - fortunately no-one was killed. The following year people were crushed to death. The Authorities knew from previous years that it was a disaster waiting to happen but did nothing. After someone was killed, they took decisive action. The stable door was locked after the horse had bolted. So it was on a much worse scale at Hillsborough. It was a failure in the management of a crowd. With proper effective crowd management, it would never have happened. You can't blame fans who turned up for that.
Liverpool FC , ashamed of nothing offended by everything