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Lots of Div 1 players being mentioned in rumours etc..

edited May 2012 in General Charlton
As being linked with us.....can't help feeling that we need to be looking at players with Championship/Premier League experience.
Can any of the Div 1 players being touted be anything better than those we already have.....looking at it logicly, I have to say I think not.
My view is we need a few players who have a good record at a higher level to add to the squad........not more untested ones from where we have just left.

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    So could Jordan Rhodes not possibly be better than eg. BWP just because he's playing in a poorer team? I'm afraid I don't follow that logic. I'm sure we'll look for some additions with proven records further up, but a few select players from the third could be excellent acquisitions.
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    As being linked with us.....can't help feeling that we need to be looking at players with Championship/Premier League experience.
    Can any of the Div 1 players being touted be anything better than those we already have.....looking at it logicly, I have to say I think not.
    My view is we need a few players who have a good record at a higher level to add to the squad........not more untested ones from where we have just left.

    I agree we need some experience at this level but remember Paul Lambert has done well by supplementing his squad with L1 players like Pilkington and Tierney.

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    Yep, I was gonna make the point that Lambert did it the whole way through and even in the Prem. I think it's equally important to have players who will be determined to prove themselves and will put in 100% as having experienced players. Often experienced players are just looking for an extra bit of cash and have lost some of their determination, so we should be cautious not to sing players like Marcus Bent was.
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    edited May 2012
    So could Jordan Rhodes not possibly be better than eg. BWP just because he's playing in a poorer team? I'm afraid I don't follow that logic. I'm sure we'll look for some additions with proven records further up, but a few select players from the third could be excellent acquisitions.
    Paddy....you mentioned the one player that 'might' fit the bill to win me over, in all honesty that hardly wins the day....other than him I can't think of anyone who I'd rather have from Div 1 than our own lads.

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    Look at who Norwich signed when they went up a few years ago and what they achieved.
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    So could Jordan Rhodes not possibly be better than eg. BWP just because he's playing in a poorer team? I'm afraid I don't follow that logic. I'm sure we'll look for some additions with proven records further up, but a few select players from the third could be excellent acquisitions.
    Paddy....you mentioned the one player that 'might' fit the bill to win me over, in all honesty that hardly wins the day....other than him I can't think of anyone who I'd rather have from Div 1 than our own lads.

    Surely that's because you don't really know most players in this division? Everyone has heard of Rhodes because he scores goals but there are obviously other gems scattered about all over the place even if you haven't heard of them
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    We signed mostly league 1 players last season, does that mean they wont be good enough for the champs? Don't follow the logic here. Would be delighted with Wordsworth, Rhodes, Gleeson and any other exceptional performers who would stand a great chance of stepping up as we'd probably get them cheaper than their 'experienced' counterparts.

    Cant imagine we've got the funds to go buying the best champs and low prem players either.
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    edited May 2012
    We signed mostly league 1 players last season, does that mean they wont be good enough for the champs? Don't follow the logic here. Would be delighted with Wordsworth, Rhodes, Gleeson and any other exceptional performers who would stand a great chance of stepping up as we'd probably get them cheaper than their 'experienced' counterparts.

    Cant imagine we've got the funds to go buying the best champs and low prem players either.
    That's not what I'm implying.... we already have an entire team that I think can do very well but are we talking about doing very well....or very very well? For for me, any additions should be those with experience at a higher level.
    Going to be interesting to see which way Sir Chris jumps with this conundrum.

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    doesn't have to be either/or.

    just buy good players with the right attitude that we can afford. Younger would be better as have a re-sale value but otherwise age/level/height/hair colour shouldn't matter.
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    If you are an agent of a league one player then what better way is there to boost the chances of an increase in pay for that player than to 'link' them to the champions
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    When Chris Powell was on goals on sunday this week he was asked what he thought was the main factor in our success this season. He's answer was that he bought in a lot of players who had league 1 experience so I personally expect us to sign a few players with championship experience this summer
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    There are many Prem players who started off playing lower league football. I have absolutely no problem with SCP signing young hungry lower league players. If you work on the theory that you can only improve your team by signing players who have played at a higher level then you would have expected Euell to have completly outshone Pritchard this season.

    Keep signing the lower league talent i say.
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    So could Jordan Rhodes not possibly be better than eg. BWP just because he's playing in a poorer team? I'm afraid I don't follow that logic. I'm sure we'll look for some additions with proven records further up, but a few select players from the third could be excellent acquisitions.
    Paddy....you mentioned the one player that 'might' fit the bill to win me over, in all honesty that hardly wins the day....other than him I can't think of anyone who I'd rather have from Div 1 than our own lads.

    Fair enough but I'm sure there are players in poorer teams (ie the entire division) who could step up and do well for us. Everyone has to start somewhere - Clive Mendonca was at Grimsby when we signed him. Think he did ok.

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    Can't see Rhodes coming here. There'll be a line of premier league suitors for him a mile long. I'm actually more worried about who goes out, rather than who comes in over the summer. I'm convinced our current squad would more than cut it in the Championship. In order to compete we'd need four or five new signings, but none of them are to paper over any glaring holes in specific positions and would be just to augment what we currently have.

    That said, any team with a reasonable scouting network would surely think Solly is worth a crack - he ticks all the right boxes (English, young, already experienced) and I can easily see someone coming in with a 2/3 million bid for him which - in our financial position - might be too much to turn down. I think the rest of our key players are probably safe from being pinched due to a number of factors (age, previous failure to set the world on fire at a higher level, contract length etc), but there's always the chance that one of the clubs coming down will just want to add to their squad and wave silly money at players via parachute payments.

    I'd certainly be happy with Wordsworth (if there's any truth to that rumour) and Ephraim would be a good loan signing again if QPR survive (though I suspect he'll be a regular for them next season if they go down so that will probably kybosh that). We need a centre half to complement Taylor, Morro and Cort, as I think four would be the minimum for the championship and Mambo is never going to make it. I'd also want another striker in as cover, since Hayes obviously has no future - I like what I've seen of N'Guessan, so making his loan a perm deal would seem a good move.

    Oh, and Fat Andy Reid needs to go on my diet and come back to the Valley :o)
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    So could Jordan Rhodes not possibly be better than eg. BWP just because he's playing in a poorer team? I'm afraid I don't follow that logic. I'm sure we'll look for some additions with proven records further up, but a few select players from the third could be excellent acquisitions.
    Paddy....you mentioned the one player that 'might' fit the bill to win me over, in all honesty that hardly wins the day....other than him I can't think of anyone who I'd rather have from Div 1 than our own lads.

    Fair enough but I'm sure there are players in poorer teams (ie the entire division) who could step up and do well for us. Everyone has to start somewhere - Clive Mendonca was at Grimsby when we signed him. Think he did ok.

    we were in the same division at the time ....er i think, but generally in scp and the board we trust

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    You would think Norwich would be a good indicator of how we should go about it this summer. I'm trying to resist comparisons where I can but here it's useful. Here are there ten signings over the course of their Championship season:

    1. Andrew Crofts (Brighton, L1)
    2. David Fox (Colchester, L1)
    3. Andrew Surman (Wolves, Prem)
    4. Elliott Ward (Coventry, Champ)
    5. Steven Smith (Rangers, SPL)
    6. John Ruddy (Everton, Prem)
    7. Simeon Jackson (Gillingham, L1)
    8. Leon Barnett (WBA, Prem)
    9. Aaron Wilbraham (MK Dons, L1)
    10. Marc Tierney (Colchester, L1)

    Half of those signings were League One players, three were youthful back-up at Premier League clubs and perhaps surprisingly only one player taken from a rival Championship side.
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    You would think Norwich would be a good indicator of how we should go about it this summer. I'm trying to resist comparisons where I can but here it's useful. Here are there ten signings over the course of their Championship season:

    1. Andrew Crofts (Brighton, L1)
    2. David Fox (Colchester, L1)
    3. Andrew Surman (Wolves, Prem)
    4. Elliott Ward (Coventry, Champ)
    5. Steven Smith (Rangers, SPL)
    6. John Ruddy (Everton, Prem)
    7. Simeon Jackson (Gillingham, L1)
    8. Leon Barnett (WBA, Prem)
    9. Aaron Wilbraham (MK Dons, L1)
    10. Marc Tierney (Colchester, L1)

    Half of those signings were League One players, three were youthful back-up at Premier League clubs and perhaps surprisingly only one player taken from a rival Championship side.
    Interesting list Callum ,I note there are 10 players on it.
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    They're listed in chronological order. The first seven were signed during the summer of 2010, the remaining three in January of 2011.
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    Leroy mentions Rhodes and a long list of Premier suitors. I can't see that myself. Maybe Wigan or a very lowly club but more likely one of the relegated prem teams. The Premier League doesn't do too much business in league one these days but I agree he won't be coming to The Valley even if we were interested.
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    edited May 2012
    Didnt Powell say on the tele the other day, the players we got this year were all explained how they can make a bit of history if they are determined enough. They were and we did. Keep that up, doesnt matter where they come from

    Just because we got promoted doesnt mean we are desirable option to all players in leagues below us either. Rhodes will be skipping our level for example.

    I just hope we dont lose anyone like Solly, Kermit to bigger teams.
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    There are many Prem players who started off playing lower league football. I have absolutely no problem with SCP signing young hungry lower league players.
    Exactly what Alan Pardew did .......

    ;o)

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    There are many Prem players who started off playing lower league football. I have absolutely no problem with SCP signing young hungry lower league players.
    Exactly what Alan Pardew did .......

    ;o)

    No, Oggy - he forgot to check they were actually "players"...
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    The advantage of a league one player is that they may be hungrier. The signings of Morrison, Wiggins and Hollands testify to the fact that you can sign quality players in League One.
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    The players we bought last year we managed to pip some of the teams in the division above for (ie Wiggins wanted by Watford), we did this because we were seen as a better long term option I would assume. We are not going to pip ANY Prem teams to the better Champ players so either need to get established but maybe not performing Champ players, young (or old) prem players or players from League 1 who are the best in that division and are maybe on our radar more than other clubs as we have just come from there. I would bet we pick up 3 or 4 from League 1 in the summer as we will know those players, they will know us and we will be an obvious step up. In every league there are players playing at a level below what they should be it is up to the scouting team to find the next Wiggins rather than the next McLeod.
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    With all the overseas players in the Premiership it should be no surprise that there is a lot more quality to be found in the championship, gone are the days when players moved after 3-4 years of first team football from the old Div 2 to Div 1, premiership clubs do not in the main have the capacity to wait for players to grow, they want immediate quality. Personally I would not wish to be getting so called experienced championship players, SCP did a fine job last summer he and his team should be in a good position to do same this summer. Those with a point to prove who we're maybe let down by the premiership clubs eg Danny Hollands are the ones to look out for. Our wage structure use now should enable us to be creative. Let's see if SCP can work his magic again before pre season starts, that was was the key thing last summer
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