I do believe that once someone has served their time they should be allowed to make a living, but this has left a surprisingly bitter taste in my mouth mainly because of the double standards in football. If he hadn't been such a key player for them, they wouldn't go anywhere near him and that makes me pretty angry.
But is that not true of all occupations? Football is an obvious results business but I would suggest that all jobs, that have an easy way to measure performance, have employees that can fail to conform and be allowed to stay on the payroll where less successful colleagues would have to go.
I do believe that once someone has served their time they should be allowed to make a living, but this has left a surprisingly bitter taste in my mouth mainly because of the double standards in football. If he hadn't been such a key player for them, they wouldn't go anywhere near him and that makes me pretty angry.
But is that not true of all occupations? Football is an obvious results business but I would suggest that all jobs, that have an easy way to measure performance, have employees that can fail to conform and be allowed to stay on the payroll where less successful colleagues would have to go.
Maybe in theory, but do you have any examples?
I couldn't imagine a director in my company bouncing back into the same job and salary following a rape conviction.
I think it's more likely to happen at the lower end of the wage scale.
I'll be careful what I say here but I have seen a number of celebrities on the TV saying that it was 'suspected' that Jimmy Saville was doing things that he shouldn't have been to, shall we say, underage people.
The reason that was given for turning a blind eye was that Saville was a massive celebrity and 'accusing' him of anything could affect one's career.
But in answer to your direct question I don't, personally, know or associate with any convicted rapists, funnily enough!
I agree that everyone has the right to a second chance if they have served their time in the eyes of the law but if he ended up at my club, they would not get any of my money whilst he was employed.
The vast majority of Sheffield United fans were very angry about Ched being found guilty and have almost been campaigning on his behalf to get the conviction quashed. Mainly because he was a key player for tem. If Ched had been playing for us and been convicted a lot of our fans would have had the same emotions as Sheffield Uniteds' fans. Just saying.
The vast majority of Sheffield United fans were very angry about Ched being found guilty and have almost been campaigning on his behalf to get the conviction quashed. Mainly because he was a key player for tem. If Ched had been playing for us and been convicted a lot of our fans would have had the same emotions as Sheffield Uniteds' fans. Just saying.
I do believe that once someone has served their time they should be allowed to make a living, but this has left a surprisingly bitter taste in my mouth mainly because of the double standards in football. If he hadn't been such a key player for them, they wouldn't go anywhere near him and that makes me pretty angry.
But is that not true of all occupations? Football is an obvious results business but I would suggest that all jobs, that have an easy way to measure performance, have employees that can fail to conform and be allowed to stay on the payroll where less successful colleagues would have to go.
Maybe in theory, but do you have any examples?
I couldn't imagine a director in my company bouncing back into the same job and salary following a rape conviction.
I think it's more likely to happen at the lower end of the wage scale.
I'll be careful what I say here but I have seen a number of celebrities on the TV saying that it was 'suspected' that Jimmy Saville was doing things that he shouldn't have been to, shall we say, underage people.
The reason that was given for turning a blind eye was that Saville was a massive celebrity and 'accusing' him of anything could affect one's career.
But in answer to your direct question I don't, personally, know or associate with any convicted rapists, funnily enough!
OK, I'd put football as a subset of celebrity, but I don't think the same rules apply to non-celebrity offenders, regardless of their abilities. It's only at the lower end of the salary scale that people can get the same kind of job as where they left.
You don't have to. I don't socialise with anyone from my work, but I have a strong feeling that none of the senior leaders would walk back into the same job/salary if they were convicted rapists. From your answer, sounds like it's the same at places you've worked.
The vast majority of Sheffield United fans were very angry about Ched being found guilty and have almost been campaigning on his behalf to get the conviction quashed. Mainly because he was a key player for tem. If Ched had been playing for us and been convicted a lot of our fans would have had the same emotions as Sheffield Uniteds' fans. Just saying.
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Someone expressing their opinion on a football forum
The vast majority of Sheffield United fans were very angry about Ched being found guilty and have almost been campaigning on his behalf to get the conviction quashed. Mainly because he was a key player for tem. If Ched had been playing for us and been convicted a lot of our fans would have had the same emotions as Sheffield Uniteds' fans. Just saying.
what the hell is this post
Someone expressing their opinion on a football forum
The vast majority of Sheffield United fans were very angry about Ched being found guilty and have almost been campaigning on his behalf to get the conviction quashed. Mainly because he was a key player for tem. If Ched had been playing for us and been convicted a lot of our fans would have had the same emotions as Sheffield Uniteds' fans. Just saying.
Know the minimal about the case but 2 years or whatever he served for rape seems lenient Or was he charged for something different , obviously there's different situations etc But just seems as if his sentence is too short for the seriousness of a rape case.
Although they may be taking in to the fact that the woman has gone back to the hotel of her own free will I'm guessing and things may be taken into account that I haven't heard about
I do believe that once someone has served their time they should be allowed to make a living, but this has left a surprisingly bitter taste in my mouth mainly because of the double standards in football. If he hadn't been such a key player for them, they wouldn't go anywhere near him and that makes me pretty angry.
But is that not true of all occupations? Football is an obvious results business but I would suggest that all jobs, that have an easy way to measure performance, have employees that can fail to conform and be allowed to stay on the payroll where less successful colleagues would have to go.
Maybe in theory, but do you have any examples?
I couldn't imagine a director in my company bouncing back into the same job and salary following a rape conviction.
I think it's more likely to happen at the lower end of the wage scale.
I'll be careful what I say here but I have seen a number of celebrities on the TV saying that it was 'suspected' that Jimmy Saville was doing things that he shouldn't have been to, shall we say, underage people.
The reason that was given for turning a blind eye was that Saville was a massive celebrity and 'accusing' him of anything could affect one's career.
But in answer to your direct question I don't, personally, know or associate with any convicted rapists, funnily enough!
OK, I'd put football as a subset of celebrity, but I don't think the same rules apply to non-celebrity offenders, regardless of their abilities. It's only at the lower end of the salary scale that people can get the same kind of job as where they left.
You don't have to. I don't socialise with anyone from my work, but I have a strong feeling that none of the senior leaders would walk back into the same job/salary if they were convicted rapists. From your answer, sounds like it's the same at places you've worked.
Yeah, fair enough. The 'crimes' that my colleagues have got away with have never been as serious as rape, but there is certainly a different set of rules for the top performers.
However, I get your point. Bunking off for the afternoon to play golf would get some employees sacked but others get away with it. It is my belief (with no evidence, at all) that this rule would apply to more serious crimes too.
It is more likely that we don't have rapists in our offices because we don't work with the sort of people that would get themselves into those positions.
Scummy wanker, imagine the amount of late tackles etc on him by players disgusted by his acts, not to mention the abuse he'll get from fans and the negative press it will create for Sheffield United
Shouldn't be banned from football, but no professional club should be offering him a contract
The vast majority of Sheffield United fans were very angry about Ched being found guilty and have almost been campaigning on his behalf to get the conviction quashed. Mainly because he was a key player for tem. If Ched had been playing for us and been convicted a lot of our fans would have had the same emotions as Sheffield Uniteds' fans. Just saying.
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Sorry, but I agree. All football fans are capable of amazing double standards.
Know the minimal about the case but 2 years or whatever he served for rape seems lenient Or was he charged for something different , obviously there's different situations etc But just seems as if his sentence is too short for the seriousness of a rape case.
Although they may be taking in to the fact that the woman has gone back to the hotel of her own free will I'm guessing and things may be taken into account that I haven't heard about
It's been a while since I saw up to date statistics, but I think 3-5 years is the average sentence for rape convictions. I think it's proposed that Evans is released after 2 years, half of his sentence, and will be tagged and serve the rest as a suspended sentence.
I agree with AddickFC81 too, unfortunately. I doubt it's too hard to find a Sheff Utd fan who calls Gary Madine "scum" but has spent the last two years looking at the evidence to "prove" Ched Evans is innocent.
KHA, I wouldn't make that assumption about the people we work with. It's not just something that happens in a dark alley, as this case shows.
He made a mistake. Might not be what you would consider a nice or good person, but at the end of the day he's done his time.
No, you wouldn't what that kind of thing associated with your club, it would be hard to cheer him on if he played for your club, but he has still done time for his mistake. He has a damaging criminal record to his name, but deserves a 2nd chance... Which maybe shouldn't be in football, but if it is, then, oh well.
He made a mistake. Might not be what you would consider a nice or good person, but at the end of the day he's done his time.
No, you wouldn't what that kind of thing associated with your club, it would be hard to cheer him on if he played for your club, but he has still done time for his mistake. He has a damaging criminal record to his name, but deserves a 2nd chance... Which maybe shouldn't be in football, but if it is, then, oh well.
Some mistake! Deserves no second chance at all and most people would say that he has served nothing like he deserved.
I could never cheer anything that a convicted rapist did.
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Fair enough then. I mis-read the amount, but even so 18k a week in league one! Can't see him getting that much either
The reason that was given for turning a blind eye was that Saville was a massive celebrity and 'accusing' him of anything could affect one's career.
But in answer to your direct question I don't, personally, know or associate with any convicted rapists, funnily enough!
(Genuine question)
You don't have to. I don't socialise with anyone from my work, but I have a strong feeling that none of the senior leaders would walk back into the same job/salary if they were convicted rapists. From your answer, sounds like it's the same at places you've worked.
Someone expressing their opinion on a football forum
Or was he charged for something different , obviously there's different situations etc
But just seems as if his sentence is too short for the seriousness of a rape case.
Although they may be taking in to the fact that the woman has gone back to the hotel of her own free will I'm guessing and things may be taken into account that I haven't heard about
However, I get your point. Bunking off for the afternoon to play golf would get some employees sacked but others get away with it. It is my belief (with no evidence, at all) that this rule would apply to more serious crimes too.
It is more likely that we don't have rapists in our offices because we don't work with the sort of people that would get themselves into those positions.
However, you are probably right.
I've always regarded him as a decent man with family values.
Next stop the hairdressers:-)
Shouldn't be banned from football, but no professional club should be offering him a contract
I agree with AddickFC81 too, unfortunately. I doubt it's too hard to find a Sheff Utd fan who calls Gary Madine "scum" but has spent the last two years looking at the evidence to "prove" Ched Evans is innocent.
KHA, I wouldn't make that assumption about the people we work with. It's not just something that happens in a dark alley, as this case shows.
I know the case was different but Lee Hughes easily found employment once he was released.
No, you wouldn't what that kind of thing associated with your club, it would be hard to cheer him on if he played for your club, but he has still done time for his mistake.
He has a damaging criminal record to his name, but deserves a 2nd chance... Which maybe shouldn't be in football, but if it is, then, oh well.
I could never cheer anything that a convicted rapist did.