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What if...................

edited April 2012 in General Charlton
As we all know, Chris Solly has had a fantastic season and will quite rightly win the clubs POTY award.

Last spring, Powell & the board were desperately trying to get Jenkinson to commit to the club with Powell saying he wanted to build a team around him. So, if he had decided to stay, what would have happened to Solly?

Some will no doubt say that, without the money raised by the sale of Jenkinson, CP wouldn't have been able to assemble this squad, as it was funded from the money we received from Arsenal. Personally, I'm not too sure about that and it seems that none of us really know that for sure.
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    Good question Tango and one I doubt we can answer. Solly has been fantastic this season and grabbed his chance just as tenaciously as he plays his football. As for the finances....well we did very well on the supposed money from sale of Jenkinson and shipping out the dross.
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    i think the jenko story line is a bluff based on the rumoured wages i've heard one of our players is on

    there's money there and it's shrewdly hidden
    and good luck to them
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    i think the jenko story line is a bluff based on the rumoured wages i've heard one of our players is on

    there's money there and it's shrewdly hidden
    and good luck to them

    My thinking exactly. Just a clever ruse so that other clubs didn't bump up the price when we came a calling........................
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    I know we all get outraged when another forum or a manager spouts that we have spent loads but might they have a point ? Football circles are very small and I imagine that other managers / players are pretty aware of what's being paid as wages around the various clubs. Perhaps we have managed to secure the likes of Wiggins and Stephens for example when Championship clubs were interested because we offered them a better deal ? I agree with ooh ah and think there is at least some money behind the club now.
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    Perhaps we have managed to secure the likes of Wiggins and Stephens for example when Championship clubs were interested because we offered them a better deal ?
    it has to be this
    i mean they're not gonna come here for the scenery and cos they spent their childhood dreaming of playing for charlton

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    I agree with a lot of what has been said here. What bothers me is the amount of loans that will be called in if/when we reach the Premier League.
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    What if Eddie Howe had said yes, and stuck to it?
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    Perhaps we have managed to secure the likes of Wiggins and Stephens for example when Championship clubs were interested because we offered them a better deal ?
    it has to be this
    i mean they're not gonna come here for the scenery and cos they spent their childhood dreaming of playing for charlton

    No but they might still see Charlton as a bigger club with more potential than Watford who were the club in for Wiggins.

    And how much do a club like Watford, who have had their own financial worries had pay in wages? Maybe similar to what we paid this year.

    The whole budget is shrouded in mystery. I don't buy the line the Jenkinson money paid for it all. Maybe his fee covers the fees paid but that still leaves a lot of wages. The 2010/11 accounts showed the Club lost £6.1. We didn't get that much for Jenks or Elliot

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    I think someone like Wiggins would have taken a look around the place, met SCP and listen to his aspirations for the club and he would have loved it. Just because he chose us, doesnt mean he is on a better deal than what Watford were offering.
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    You have to remember quite a lot of our signings this season were local lads or had a connection to Dyer, Powell etc. As well. Plus, our facilities, though they havent been updated in 5 years, are premier league standard, and so is our stadium.
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    Did anyone see Brendon Rogers on MOTD2 talking about how Swansea are hoping to get their own training ground soon?

    Our stadium and facilities are a factor as as Powell and Dyer. Yes, the wages are very important but no the be all and end all that Ooh Aah is making it seem.
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    Its simply, Chris sold his dreams and hopes to these lads, insisted they give 100%, 100% of the time, told them they would each be heroes. Each and every one of our team are hungry for greatness and under Chris at Charlton is the place to do it.
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    What if the sale of Solly in the next few months funds our romp through the Championship next year?
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    edited April 2012
    Here is my view. I suspect that the "budget" for transfers and salaries is broadly where the club claim it publicly to be - namely not the biggest in the Division and certainly smaller than Huddersfield, and the two Sheffield's.

    There may have been some significant bonuses for promotion built into remuneration but on the whole, I doubt the wage bill is as massive as The Massives.

    I am sure that Jenkinson's worth to the club was talked up - "he is the future and we want to keep him etc" is the kind of thing you would say at the start of any potential negotiation. Chris would have known of Solly's potential/capability fairly early on making the decision to sell Jenks easier.

    I have no doubt that the Jenkinson money was used to improve the squad.

    As for what Stephens or Wiggins are on, well it is still possible to have the modest budget claimed and make an exception for one or two players. Frankly I doubt they are much bigger money than the rest, as that could affect morale in the camp. I suspect that any differential may be built into a signing on package.

    Players are swayed by money but the hunger and desire shown by this squad was about performance and results.

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    I thought Jenkinson plays left back
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    I thought Jenkinson plays left back
    Can do, but RB is his natural position.
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    Interesting comment from Danny Kelly on Talksport last week, he was congratulating us on promotion and mentioned he had spoken to Chris Powell last year and new for a fact how small our budget was and how it was an amazing job Chris had done.
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    Here is my view. I suspect that the "budget" for transfers and salaries is broadly where the club claim it publicly to be - namely not the biggest in the Division and certainly smaller than Huddersfield, and the two Sheffield's.

    There may have been some significant bonuses for promotion built into remuneration but on the whole, I doubt the wage bill is as massive as The Massives.

    I am sure that Jenkinson's worth to the club was talked up - "he is the future and we want to keep him etc" is the kind of thing you would say at the start of any potential negotiation. Chris would have known of Solly's potential/capability fairly early on making the decision to sell Jenks easier.

    I have no doubt that the Jenkinson money was used to improve the squad.

    As for what Stephens or Wiggins are on, well it is still possible to have the modest budget claimed and make an exception for one or two players. Frankly I doubt they are much bigger money than the rest, as that could affect morale in the camp. I suspect that any differential may be built into a signing on package.

    Players are swayed by money but the hunger and desire shown by this squad was about performance and results.

    Very well-reasoned.
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    Interesting comment from Danny Kelly on Talksport last week, he was congratulating us on promotion and mentioned he had spoken to Chris Powell last year and new for a fact how small our budget was and how it was an amazing job Chris had done.

    I was talking to someone a few weeks ago at the club and he said nobody was on more than £2500 a week. He's got no reason to lie and he has been involved with the club for a long long time so I'm inclined to believe him.
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    doesn't rule out large performance bonuses I guess
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    remember back after danny green signed his former captain mark arber tweeted him along the lines of ' 3k a week now baller' well that was the key point, i think that'd be the highest wage.
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    What if QPR offered £2.5m for Solly and Luke Young
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    Jenkinson's performance away at D&R was dreadful, and how he was worth £1m i do not know.

    Others also took on this view as they watched 8 goals go round him at Man U.

    Solly is the man. No shirking, no nonsense, a well deserved POTY in a team of Champions.

    Jenkinson will be on the subs bench at FC Helsinki-Shminkidinki before you know it.
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    Jenkinson's performance away at D&R was dreadful, and how he was worth £1m i do not know.

    Others also took on this view as they watched 8 goals go round him at Man U.

    Solly is the man. No shirking, no nonsense, a well deserved POTY in a team of Champions.

    Jenkinson will be on the subs bench at FC Helsinki-Shminkidinki before you know it.
    Jenkinson is a technically gifted young man with a great engine, who can play either right or left back. Wenger has a track record of bringing through these kind of players. Do you really think his judgement is less sound than yours based on a performance in a struggling side against the Daggers, and a freak result against a seriously under-strength Arsenal side?

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    Yep !
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    After the last few years I don't think the board threw big money around to sign the likes of Wiggins and Stephens. If it all went wrong we couldn't afford players on £6-8k a week and long term contracts, in this league, as Semedo, Youga and Racon were.

    Yet we must be paying decent wages to sign them in the first place. £2.5-3k a week was probably still a big increase if they were on £1k or so at a smaller club.

    I guess they probably have bonuses or clauses if they achieve promotion, and/or maybe if they play a certain number of games.

    Really have no idea but that way becoming a regular in the team and winning promotion would be rewarded.
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    I am pretty sure I have read elsewhere this season (mightve been a summary from a supporters meeting with Powell?) that scp thought that solly was the better of the two all along, so on that basis the 'build a team around Jenkinson' chat seems unlikely and probably more a case of trying to get the best cash from the deal...
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    edited April 2012
    Interesting comment from Danny Kelly on Talksport last week, he was congratulating us on promotion and mentioned he had spoken to Chris Powell last year and new for a fact how small our budget was and how it was an amazing job Chris had done.

    I was talking to someone a few weeks ago at the club and he said nobody was on more than £2500 a week. He's got no reason to lie and he has been involved with the club for a long long time so I'm inclined to believe him.
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    yep the figure i heard is 6-8k for one of our squad members
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