On a side note, Liverpool are insisting on a minute's silence for BOTH of the FA Cup Semi Finals this weekend. Even though Spurs Vs Chelsea are two teams not related to the club and they're playing the day afterwards.
Not meaning to be disrespectful, but Liverpool are the sort of club that would insist on a minute's silence if the team bus broke down.
"Insisted", requested, suggested or agreed to it though? I'm no fan of them at all but I doubt they "insisted" on both games holding a minutes silence but did ask for the game to be on the Saturday because they hold an annual service which this year is on the Sunday (the actual anniversary btw).
As an aside doesn't this highlight the ridiculousness of the whole minutes applause thing that seems de rigueur?
Well, they've thieved that one. Now instead of getting the pelters he deserves Kenny can claim his gamble paid off and Andy Carroll gets to continue pretending to be a footballer. That's football for you. Hardly sent out a strong message to Everton though, especially as their weakened side beat Sunderland 4-0.
On a side note, Liverpool are insisting on a minute's silence for BOTH of the FA Cup Semi Finals this weekend. Even though Spurs Vs Chelsea are two teams not related to the club and they're playing the day afterwards.
Not meaning to be disrespectful, but Liverpool are the sort of club that would insist on a minute's silence if the team bus broke down.
Looking back, I probably could have been a bit more tactful with the comment, so apologies for that. However, I still don't understand why it seems as though everyone else has to openly express their pity. I didn't see the game last night but heard there was a minute's silence at Ewood Park. There will be one Saturday for Liverpool's match with Everton (understandable), and then with Spurs and Chelsea the next day because Liverpool requested it.
I absolutely understand why it is something close to the hearts of Liverpool fans, but I don't agree with it being projected on all other Football fans too.
On a side note, Liverpool are insisting on a minute's silence for BOTH of the FA Cup Semi Finals this weekend. Even though Spurs Vs Chelsea are two teams not related to the club and they're playing the day afterwards.
Not meaning to be disrespectful, but Liverpool are the sort of club that would insist on a minute's silence if the team bus broke down.
Out of interest, how old are you? Do you remember what happened that day?
I don't think many of us who lived through the Hillsborough disaster (I was 16 at the time and remember it as if it were yesterday) would ever begrudge Liverpool wanting to pay their respects properly to the 96 people who went to see a football match and never made it home again.
I don't agree with much Liverpool have done this season, and God knows they do love to play the victim, but on this occasion they have every right to stop and commemorate something way more important than a game of football.
Some of the stories that emerged that day are amongst the most heartbreaking I have ever come across, not least that of the Hicks family who could only watch from the main stand as their two teenage daughters were crushed to death at the Leppings Lane end.
If that's not worth a day off to commemorate then I don't know what is.
On a side note, Liverpool are insisting on a minute's silence for BOTH of the FA Cup Semi Finals this weekend. Even though Spurs Vs Chelsea are two teams not related to the club and they're playing the day afterwards.
Not meaning to be disrespectful, but Liverpool are the sort of club that would insist on a minute's silence if the team bus broke down.
Out of interest, how old are you? Do you remember what happened that day?
I don't think many of us who lived through the Hillsborough disaster (I was 16 at the time and remember it as if it were yesterday) would ever begrudge Liverpool wanting to pay their respects properly to the 96 people who went to see a football match and never made it home again.
I don't agree with much Liverpool have done this season, and God knows they do love to play the victim, but on this occasion they have every right to stop and commemorate something way more important than a game of football.
Some of the stories that emerged that day are amongst the most heartbreaking I have ever come across, not least that of the Hicks family who could only watch from the main stand as their two teenage daughters were crushed to death at the Leppings Lane end.
If that's not worth a day off to commemorate then I don't know what is.
24, so I don't remember it happening. Not that that really matters, I can still understand that it's a majorly upsetting and emotional incident for their club.
I've no problem whatsoever about them paying their respects, they have every right to. If you read what I said, I'm referring to the fact that it seems as though the rest of the Footballing world has to come to a standstill for it at Liverpool's request. That's what irks me.
I am not criticising your views, although your initial post was a little insensitively phrased, but am just pointing out that those of different ages the Hillsborough tragedy has very different meanings.
For younger blokes like you it does not mean all that much, it might as well have been in 1969 as 1989, but for the older generation that day was a huge moment in our lives because It happened in circumstances that we had ourselves experienced on many occasions.
Therefore, I can see why younger fans might feel that Hillsborough gets overdone but for me and many others it should be a day of remembrance for all of us, not just Liverpool fans because it was a human tragedy not just a Liverpool one.
You can't speak for a generation Ormiston. We all have different views but I'm sure everyone who remembers it will only ever have sadness in their hearts for the victims and their families and friends. It was horrific. I was in my mid 20's at the time, I know what I think. If you can look at the event objectivley and take out emotion, I don't like the way Liverpool force their opinion on the rest of the country every year. I find myself agreeing with a lot of what Alan Davies said.
I'm actually amazed about how little the Bradford City fire disaster gets mentioned these days. I do genuinely think it comes down to the fact that Liverpool are such a big club and therefore have more of a platform to air their views on Hillsborough.
I find myself agreeing with Alan Davies, personally I thought they might want a merseyside derby at wembley on the anniversary of it, could've had some kind of tribute on the pitch.
I'm actually amazed about how little the Bradford City fire disaster gets mentioned these days. I do genuinely think it comes down to the fact that Liverpool are such a big club and therefore have more of a platform to air their views on Hillsborough.
Two completely different situations to compare, the difference is Hillsborough shook the country because it could of happened to any club, it completely changed the way we watch football now days, families turned up that day like we all do week in week out just expecting to watch the team they love and adore but 96 people didn't return home. I have read all the stuff that was writing about it and listened to people's opinions 'them silly Scousers' I have to say it is pretty pathetic. I admire them for the way they have kept going with the campaign for justice and hope they get all they want from it.
Just think if you were affected by that day would you still have the same views
Bradford was families turning up to watch football, possibly more families as it was the main stand not an end. And it could have happened at a lot of Clubs. Have a look at the video of the fire on youtube. It is still often used in fire training as an example of how quickly a fire can take hold.
Also the effects of the Bradford fire were quite radical. Lots of stands were closed (including the East terrace at the Valley) and for the first time in decades health and safety was on the agenda. The material used to build stands were changed.
It's not a case of which was worse or more "important" but you hear a lot more about Hillsborough than Valley Parade. There are valid reasons for that including the disputes over who was to blame but one is the higher profile of Liverpool FC as opposed to Bradford City.
RIP to all those who died at both as well as at Ibrox, Heysel and the other stadium disasters around the world.
Why don't Liverpool have an annual remembrance for The Heysel disaster that many of their fans contributed to ?
Their is a plaque next too the Hillsborough memorial up at Anfield, also during the 2005 game against Jueventus certain things were done to remember Heysel.
Bradford was families turning up to watch football, possibly more families as it was the main stand not an end. And it could have happened at a lot of Clubs. Have a look at the video of the fire on youtube. It is still often used in fire training as an example of how quickly a fire can take hold.
Also the effects of the Bradford fire were quite radical. Lots of stands were closed (including the East terrace at the Valley) and for the first time in decades health and safety was on the agenda. The material used to build stands were changed.
It's not a case of which was worse or more "important" but you hear a lot more about Hillsborough than Valley Parade. There are valid reasons for that including the disputes
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As an aside doesn't this highlight the ridiculousness of the whole minutes applause thing that seems de rigueur?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9196579/QI-star-Alan-Davies-faces-internet-fury-after-Hillsborough-insult.html
I absolutely understand why it is something close to the hearts of Liverpool fans, but I don't agree with it being projected on all other Football fans too.
I don't think many of us who lived through the Hillsborough disaster (I was 16 at the time and remember it as if it were yesterday) would ever begrudge Liverpool wanting to pay their respects properly to the 96 people who went to see a football match and never made it home again.
I don't agree with much Liverpool have done this season, and God knows they do love to play the victim, but on this occasion they have every right to stop and commemorate something way more important than a game of football.
Some of the stories that emerged that day are amongst the most heartbreaking I have ever come across, not least that of the Hicks family who could only watch from the main stand as their two teenage daughters were crushed to death at the Leppings Lane end.
If that's not worth a day off to commemorate then I don't know what is.
I've no problem whatsoever about them paying their respects, they have every right to. If you read what I said, I'm referring to the fact that it seems as though the rest of the Footballing world has to come to a standstill for it at Liverpool's request. That's what irks me.
I am not criticising your views, although your initial post was a little insensitively phrased, but am just pointing out that those of different ages the Hillsborough tragedy has very different meanings.
For younger blokes like you it does not mean all that much, it might as well have been in 1969 as 1989, but for the older generation that day was a huge moment in our lives because It happened in circumstances that we had ourselves experienced on many occasions.
Therefore, I can see why younger fans might feel that Hillsborough gets overdone but for me and many others it should be a day of remembrance for all of us, not just Liverpool fans because it was a human tragedy not just a Liverpool one.
I was in my mid 20's at the time, I know what I think.
If you can look at the event objectivley and take out emotion, I don't like the way Liverpool force their opinion on the rest of the country every year. I find myself agreeing with a lot of what Alan Davies said.
Just think if you were affected by that day would you still have the same views
Bradford was families turning up to watch football, possibly more families as it was the main stand not an end. And it could have happened at a lot of Clubs. Have a look at the video of the fire on youtube. It is still often used in fire training as an example of how quickly a fire can take hold.
Also the effects of the Bradford fire were quite radical. Lots of stands were closed (including the East terrace at the Valley) and for the first time in decades health and safety was on the agenda. The material used to build stands were changed.
It's not a case of which was worse or more "important" but you hear a lot more about Hillsborough than Valley Parade. There are valid reasons for that including the disputes over who was to blame but one is the higher profile of Liverpool FC as opposed to Bradford City.
RIP to all those who died at both as well as at Ibrox, Heysel and the other stadium disasters around the world.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2130370/Im-worse-serial-rapist-paedophile-Comedian-Alan-Davies-reveals-extent-alarming-backlash-Hillsborough-comments.html