Would have remained 11 v 11 if the villain of the piece hadn't cheated.
Players will continue to cheat so long as they can win penalties and get opposition players sent off. If Refs are unable to see it, then video technology has to be used to help them. The cheating would soon stop, if the cheater got booked rather than the defender sent off.
Would have remained 11 v 11 if the villain of the piece hadn't cheated.
Players will continue to cheat so long as they can win penalties and get opposition players sent off. If Refs are unable to see it, then video technology has to be used to help them. The cheating would soon stop, if the cheater got booked rather than the defender sent off.
Agreed that video evidence could be useful in getting in this case Young a punishment for his cheating but that can be done retrospectively. I would hate the scenario of three referals. Why three ? Why not four or six. Would absolutely ruin the beautiful game IMHO of course.
A referral system works in many sports, though most are more stop-start than football. If anything it adds to the tension and crowd enjoyment. Cricket and tennis are obvious examples but it has worked well in rugby as well. The technology is there for football, so why not use it.
What is worse: an unfair goal/disallowed goal/sending off or a thirty second delay in the game? Especially when in the time the players are arguing with the referees about a contentious decision, a replay could be used conclusively.
The 4th official needs to be allowed to be allowed to use instant video replay, and advise the referee during the course of the game - they are already wired up.
All that's then required is for referees to be instructed to delay making a contentious decision (much as they already do when playing 'advantage').
That would no doubt help reduce the number of plain wrong decisions by referees.
Would have remained 11 v 11 if the villain of the piece hadn't cheated.
Players will continue to cheat so long as they can win penalties and get opposition players sent off. If Refs are unable to see it, then video technology has to be used to help them. The cheating would soon stop, if the cheater got booked rather than the defender sent off.
Agreed that video evidence could be useful in getting in this case Young a punishment for his cheating but that can be done retrospectively. I would hate the scenario of three referals. Why three ? Why not four or six. Would absolutely ruin the beautiful game IMHO of course.
I respect your opinion SHG, but personally I hate to see the injustice that is so prevelent in the game these days. I actually think Hawkeye has improved tennis, there are far fewer McEnroe type outbursts these days over dodgy line calls. IMO cricket is also a better game and over here Aussie Rules and Rugby have also embraced video technology. What it does is remove a lot of the anger and resentment that so often results from a sense of injustice. Why three referals? Because there are rarely more than three big decisions per team each game. So potentially an extra six minutes per game which I think is a small price to pay for eliminating the majority of contensious decisions and sending fans home content in the fact that they havent been cheated. Yesterday and at Huddersfield there was a strong feeling that we had been cheated.
Would have remained 11 v 11 if the villain of the piece hadn't cheated.
Players will continue to cheat so long as they can win penalties and get opposition players sent off. If Refs are unable to see it, then video technology has to be used to help them. The cheating would soon stop, if the cheater got booked rather than the defender sent off.
Agreed that video evidence could be useful in getting in this case Young a punishment for his cheating but that can be done retrospectively. I would hate the scenario of three referals. Why three ? Why not four or six. Would absolutely ruin the beautiful game IMHO of course.
I respect your opinion SHG, but personally I hate to see the injustice that is so prevelent in the game these days. I actually think Hawkeye has improved tennis, there are far fewer McEnroe type outbursts these days over dodgy line calls. IMO cricket is also a better game and over here Aussie Rules and Rugby have also embraced video technology. What it does is remove a lot of the anger and resentment that so often results from a sense of injustice. Why three referals? Because there are rarely more than three big decisions per team each game. So potentially an extra six minutes per game which I think is a small price to pay for eliminating the majority of contensious decisions and sending fans home content in the fact that they havent been cheated. Yesterday and at Huddersfield there was a strong feeling that we had been cheated.
I I can see exactly where you are coming from Queensland. The only technology I would want to see is goaline tech that eliminates the doubt as to whether the ball has crossed the line. All I ask for is honest competent officials whic on the whole I think we get and the elimination of players cheating. By way of example having Young banned for three games for obvious diving as shown by tv and Derrys red rescinded. Football is the worlds greatest sport and I love it pretty much just how it is.
Slightly reminds me of our game at the Emirates when that tool Riley sent off Sankofa for what was a booking and there should have been an offside againsr Van Persie anyway or something. We would probably have lost anyway, but when a ref ruins the game like that, it just destroys any contest for a struggling team against one of the big 'favoured' clubs. With just 20 mins or whatever on the clock, it just seemed like a waste of money and totally pointless from that moment on. I'd imagine QPR fans felt the same today.
Its been happening forever and won't change, big clubs get the big calls in their favour- simple as that.
Who else remembers the fact that in our four year Division One stay between 1986-1990 we played 84 away games in the league and did not get a single penalty in any of them?
Plenty were given against us though, including one in each of the four games at Anfield!
I think also that Everton had 3 in their four games at home to us.
Yep, I think that's right, I saw a couple of those too! One was scored by Wayne Clarke - with about 15 minutes to go in March 1988 only for Steve Mackenzie to go straight down the other end and score a scorching volley to make it 1-1.
i wonder if they get more decisions cos they get into more threatening attacking positions where it's liable to happen ..... just a thought
True of course but some of the decisions are stunning, some of the pens Liverpool used to get in front of The Kop were embarrassing, you only had to look at Aldridge/Rush the wrong way in the box and they'd get a penalty - which they never seemed to miss.
A three match retro ban for Young would cut it out. Difficult for ref but lino needs glasses, not only strayed off but ran along line clearly off. Mason also missed blatant corner.
Derry aka Superman may have blown his cover -what power he has in his fingertips. Seriously, I agree a ban for young is required. Football has a means of sorting this nonsense out but just seems to accept it? QPR could go down over that - ok it's a honest mistake but Fulham will tell you that refs seem not to see penalties at Old Trafford when it is against United!
I was at Old Trafford yesterday and it looked like a penalty from where I sat .
However, I think QPR would not have got anything yesterday but it would have been nice to see them hold out for a while longer because once United scored and Rangers were down to ten there was only going to be one outcome.
the whole thing was a 'comedy' of errors, though not for QPR. Young was offside, Derry's contact was minimal, a slight push, BUT, however slight, still a push, this is football and not rugby, pushball or handball, Young made the most of the situation, and if he played for us you'd all be applauding him, and lastly, the sending off was a farce. A home club decision and surely a case where Derry's bad reputation carried more weight with the referee than the actual offence he committed.
the whole thing was a 'comedy' of errors, though not for QPR. Young was offside, Derry's contact was minimal, a slight push, BUT, however slight, still a push, this is football and not rugby, pushball or handball, Young made the most of the situation, and if he played for us you'd all be applauding him, and lastly, the sending off was a farce. A home club decision and surely a case where Derry's bad reputation carried more weight with the referee than the actual offence he committed.
All true but once he gives a penalty then he has to send Derry off, them's the rules.
Just make it a non contact sport like netball, then we'd all know where we stand. That's the way it's heading anyway. It'll get to the point where players are frightened to tackle for the fear of miss timing it and then getting sent off.
Just make it a non contact sport like netball, then we'd all know where we stand. That's the way it's heading anyway. It'll get to the point where players are frightened to tackle for the fear of miss timing it and then getting sent off.
So true. So many non-malicious challenges result in red cards its getting to be a joke, whereas Balotelli stayed on for a horrific over the top challenge and got sent off for two far less serious ones.
You could actually see on MB's challenge against Song the referee look at it and go "Nah, not getting involved in that one."
My view was that Derry had his arm out so that if Young turned him, he'd have to go a long way round. He brushed the arm and went down like a sack of spuds. As SHG says, if that's a legitimate pen we want to give up watching. Would never have been given down other end. Anyone got stats for pens at Old Trafford? Last sending off was Schmichael fouling Kim Grant.
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Still the lino's fault today. Easy offside decision.
What is worse: an unfair goal/disallowed goal/sending off or a thirty second delay in the game? Especially when in the time the players are arguing with the referees about a contentious decision, a replay could be used conclusively.
Time to try it.
All that's then required is for referees to be instructed to delay making a contentious decision (much as they already do when playing 'advantage').
That would no doubt help reduce the number of plain wrong decisions by referees.
Who else remembers the fact that in our four year Division One stay between 1986-1990 we played 84 away games in the league and did not get a single penalty in any of them?
Plenty were given against us though, including one in each of the four games at Anfield!
However, I think QPR would not have got anything yesterday but it would have been nice to see them hold out for a while longer because once United scored and Rangers were down to ten there was only going to be one outcome.
You could actually see on MB's challenge against Song the referee look at it and go "Nah, not getting involved in that one."