I agree, but nothing annoys me more than a woman who is clearly no more than a month or two pregnant and wears these "baby on board" badges to get a seat, when it's clear that she is in the part of pregnancy that has no effect on mobility.
Personally I give my seat up to ladies anyway, but you get some terrible looks when you do.
But I do agree that it is a sign that people are generally so wrapped up in their personal space and in a bubble they are just not aware of what is going on. It is really sad and depressing.
Or just ignorant gits ?
Pregnancy isn't an illness but if a pregnant woman needs to sit down she should just ask, she may be surprised at the response. On a few occasions I have been on a train when a pregnant woman or one feeling ill had asked if someone would let her sit down & quite a few stood up for her. Elderly people should certainly be offered a seat. In a world where sometimes to meet someones gaze is met with a violent response it's no wonder that people sit in their own little bubble & don't inspect everybody else's physical condition. For the record I do give up my seat & often offer to help more elderly to carry their bags when struggling off the train.
I was on a tube a month or so ago and sat next to an elderly gent. All seats were taken and at the next stop and young lady got on. Old gent stands up and offers here his seat. She looked at him and said, "no i am happy to stand, please keep your seat" but he insisted and went on and on that she must take it. Out of embarrassment she finally sat down and then he starts shouting so the whole carriage can hear about how she had stolen his seat. Poor girl didn't know what to do....I thought it was hilarious and was glad it had not been me!
I commute every day and every time a pregnant or elderly person gets on they always get offered a seat (unless the pregnancy is less clear), there will always be one off occasions where people havenot noticed or you get a rare time where you get a whole carriage of idiots.
I would however prefer to concentrate on the majority rather than the minority.
It can be difficult though - I mean if you give up your seat to somebody you think is pregnant and she isn't she might think you fancy her or feel offended that you think she is pregnant. If you want to read your paper you run the risk of not seeing an elderly or pregnant passenger and look selfish so I find if only one or two seats are free, it is best not to sit in them and read my paper standing up. Then of course a couple of young blokes sit in them !!!
As Jimmy Carr said, "I would rather see a pregnant lady stand than see a fat lady sat crying"
Jimmy Carr epitomises the problem .. he is a bland faced, ugly, rude and arrogant little prick who thinks he is funny, and to my amazement so do a lot of other people .. contemporary society is plauged with his type, Brand, Gervais, Ross et al .. rude parasites whose me me me me me behaviour is copied by (especially) young people as if this were the norm. (Well I suppose it has become/is becoming the norm) With people of this ilk being given so much air time, adulation and so many plaudits, it is small wonder that good manners have become almost extinct
As Jimmy Carr said, "I would rather see a pregnant lady stand than see a fat lady sat crying"
Jimmy Carr epitomises the problem .. he is a bland faced, ugly, rude and arrogant little prick who thinks he is funny, and to my amazement so do a lot of other people .. contemporary society is plauged with his type, Brand, Gervais, Ross et al .. rude parasites whose me me me me me behaviour is copied by (especially) young people as if this were the norm. (Well I suppose it has become/is becoming the norm) With people of this ilk being given so much air time, adulation and so many plaudits, it is small wonder that good manners have become almost extinct
As Jimmy Carr said, "I would rather see a pregnant lady stand than see a fat lady sat crying"
Jimmy Carr epitomises the problem .. he is a bland faced, ugly, rude and arrogant little prick who thinks he is funny, and to my amazement so do a lot of other people .. contemporary society is plauged with his type, Brand, Gervais, Ross et al .. rude parasites whose me me me me me behaviour is copied by (especially) young people as if this were the norm. (Well I suppose it has become/is becoming the norm) With people of this ilk being given so much air time, adulation and so many plaudits, it is small wonder that good manners have become almost extinct
Wow that was a happy post
It's not a particularly 'happy topic' on which to comment .. or are you 'happy' to see your country (presuming that you are English) gradually becoming a land of greedy, celebrity adoring, mannerless (albeit grinning) herberts who appear to have no time, sympathy or courteousy for their fellow men and/or women ?
For my tuppence worth Id say it's like the majority of things in life and down to how you are brought up by your parent/parents/others and the values they instil.
Of course youll get the odd person that bucks the trend but id say a lot of it is down to what is drilled into you growing up whether it be on a roughest estate or a posh mansion in the countryside it's about your upbringing and your own sense of self respect.
And each generation always seems to point the finger about how standards have fallen with the younger generation but then they need to realise they were the generation that brought them up.
Even if we do have grim weather, northerners are at least polite
It's true, even the wendies smile slightly as they tell you to fook right off or they'll rip you a new arsehole. You almost feel like saying "no that's ok you go ahead & do it" for fear of appearing rude.
Even if we do have grim weather, northerners are at least polite
It's true, even the wendies smile slightly as they tell you to fook right off or they'll rip you a new arsehole. You almost feel like saying "no that's ok you ahead & do it" for fear of appearing rude.
The scallies that used to line the streets with planks of wood when I lived in liverpool picking off random students must've been an exception then ;-)
For my tuppence worth Id say it's like the majority of things in life and down to how you are brought up by your parents others and the values they instil.
Of course youll get the odd person that bucks the trend but id say a lot of it is down to what is drilled into you growing up whether it be on a roughest estate or a posh mansion in the countryside it's about your upbringing and your own sense of self respect.
And each generation always seems to point the finger about how standards have fallen with the younger generation but then they need to realise they were the generation that brought them up.
Too much of a generalisation for my liking RCT and I'm sure your parents would be unhappy with that stigma as well. I brought my two up to be decent people with manners and good values and I know that my wife has tried her hardest to instill the right values to the hundreds of children that passed through her hands whilst in the teaching profession. The problem as I see it is that despite the efforts of right minded people they are sadly becoming the minority.
My mum brought me up not my dad Deadred so couldnt give two hoots about his happiness on the stigma! ;-)
Thing is with your missus if you looked at the ones who were the wrong uns surely it's because of what they have been brought up like by their parent/parents? Winds me up when you hear people (not you) saying its the government/ teachers etc failing kids which whilst they must have an influence surely most of it comes down to what youre taught at home?
All these kids stabbing each other for example at 13/ 14 at 2am in the morning....my mum wouldve killed me if she'd caught out at that time at that age....and ive got the scars to prove it!
You can bring 2 kids up in exactly the same way, but they turn out completely different. I do blame the government who have told parents they can't smack kids etc. Who give grown up kids dole money for lying in bed all day etc.
Sorry RCT a bit presumptious of me, I've edited to parents. I think we are singing from the same hymn sheet and the point I was trying to make is that past values are being watered down but there's not much more us 'old uns' could have done about it and as Granpa said the other day he's glad he's not just starting out in life.
You can bring 2 kids up in exactly the same way, but they turn out completely different. I do blame the government who have told parents they can't smack kids etc. Who give grown up kids dole money for lying in bed all day etc.
Yeah but i wouldnt have been allowed to lie in bed all day. Never got pocket money either and soon learned if i wanted dosh id have to get a paper round then washing neighbours cars/ doing their gardens then when i got older labouring on building sites til i found something else. Didnt and wasnt allowed to sit round moping that there were no jobs out there just because i wasnt gonna be a footballer or x factor winner just got told to get on with it as im sure the majority of people do.
Agree with you on the benefits system being a joke in that respect but Tony Blair/ David Cameron cant go round and kick every lazy teenager out of their pit but their parents can. Dont think the smacking law would have held much clout in many homes either (not talking about abuse) but i couldnt care if it was illegal my children would still get a smack round the legs on the rare occasion it warranted it..
Sorry RCT a bit presumptious of me, I've edited to parents. I think we are singing from the same hymn sheet and the point I was trying to make is that past values are being watered down but there's not much more us 'old uns' could have done about it and as Granpa said the other day he's glad he's not just starting out in life.
Ha ha no need to apologise im not sensitive about that sort of thing at all ;-)
Yep i do agree they are and im probably what would be considered as very old fashioned when it comes to family values etc.
Dont believe in all this "little people" talk and all the instant demanded "respect" that a lot of young uns seem to view as a birth right. No you are a child and youll do as your told and earn respect until you start paying the rent.
Depends on how your kids react. If someone refuses to get out of bed as an "adult", then you can only resort to physically dragging them out & even then you can't force them to get a job.
Depends on how your kids react. If someone refuses to get out of bed as an "adult", then you can only resort to physically dragging them out & even then you can't force them to get a job.
True and I dont have children yet so its a bit presumptuous of me saying all this and i hope it doesnt all come back to bite me on the arse one day. But then if that happens they wont have xbox's, tvs, new trainers. Theyll get bread, water, the job section of the paper and a pair of old Hi Techs to keep themselves amused which id hope would encvourage them to get themselves sorted pretty sharpish.
Depends on how your kids react. If someone refuses to get out of bed as an "adult", then you can only resort to physically dragging them out & even then you can't force them to get a job.
True and I dont have children yet so its a bit presumptuous of me saying all this and i hope it doesnt all come back to bite me on the arse one day. But then if that happens they wont have xbox's, tvs, new trainers. Theyll get bread, water, the job section of the paper and a pair of old Hi Techs to keep themselves amused which id hope would get them to get themselves sorted pretty sharpish.
Yes, I thought much the same before my kids hit the teenage years. I then had a rude awakening & life didn't go as you paint and I had thought.
Yeah but that's in spite of probably how you raised them CE surely? Im not saying that everyone brought up in a loving, healthy environment is never gonna wobble off the rails, the point im trying to make, and sorry if not expressing it clearly as hard on a message board sometimes, is that id gamble that 99% of the scumbags out there rioting, mugging/ shooting people and all that carry on probably have a home life where their parents really couldnt give a shit and dont or cant discipline them.
Of course theres gonna be people who do all that and come from caring/ discipline backgrounds but surely the majority dont? Think self respect is a lot of it too and it just winds me up when you hear the media trying to blame everyone but the wrongdoer for the wrong doing instead of saying people need to be a lot more accountable for their own lives and behaviour.
Yeah but that's in spite of probably how you raised them CE surely? Im not saying that everyone brought up in a loving, healthy environment is never gonna wobble off the rails, the point im trying to make, and sorry if not expressing it clearly as hard on a message board sometimes, is that id gamble that 99% of the scumbags out there rioting, mugging/ shooting people and all that carry on probably have a home life where their parents really couldnt give a shit and dont or cant discipline them.
Of course theres gonna be people who do all that and come from caring/ discipline backgrounds but surely the majority dont? Think self respect is a lot of it too and it just winds me up when you hear the media trying to blame everyone but the wrongdoer for the wrong doing instead of saying people need to be a lot more accountable for their own lives and behaviour.
You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink.
But generally speaking Len, I think RCT is right? But just in case he is not, that's why Karen and I don't have children. I have never been a gambler. :-)
But generally speaking Len, I think RCT is right? But just in case he is not, that's why Karen and I don't have children. I have never been a gambler. :-)
Yes generally speaking he is but I know from my own experience that sometimes, despite making every effort as a parent to guide and advise, an adolescent child or young adult will do the opposite of what is advised and make the mistake anyway! You just hope they don't do it over something irretrievable.
I have a good friend, now in her forties, who cannot believe what a nightmare she was to her parents as a child. To the point where, when she was not given her own way, the neighbours knocked on the door to see if she was alright after hearing the screams. Her parents were very understanding of their concern, and took them upstairs to watch my friend banging her head on the bannisters and screaming at the top of her voice. Her siblings were all decent kids, she is now a very decent person, she was just a little s**t as a kid. Sometimes it just happens, as you say Len.
But generally speaking Len, I think RCT is right? But just in case he is not, that's why Karen and I don't have children. I have never been a gambler. :-)
Yes generally speaking he is but I know from my own experience that sometimes, despite making every effort as a parent to guide and advise, an adolescent child or young adult will do the opposite of what is advised and make the mistake anyway! You just hope they don't do it over something irretrievable.
Precisely Len. kids brought up identically. One would take your advice, the other would more than likely do the complete opposite. Why, I don't know, other than a power struggle type issue.
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Personally I give my seat up to ladies anyway, but you get some terrible looks when you do.
I commute every day and every time a pregnant or elderly person gets on they always get offered a seat (unless the pregnancy is less clear), there will always be one off occasions where people havenot noticed or you get a rare time where you get a whole carriage of idiots.
I would however prefer to concentrate on the majority rather than the minority.
With people of this ilk being given so much air time, adulation and so many plaudits, it is small wonder that good manners have become almost extinct
Of course youll get the odd person that bucks the trend but id say a lot of it is down to what is drilled into you growing up whether it be on a roughest estate or a posh mansion in the countryside it's about your upbringing and your own sense of self respect.
And each generation always seems to point the finger about how standards have fallen with the younger generation but then they need to realise they were the generation that brought them up.
Thing is with your missus if you looked at the ones who were the wrong uns surely it's because of what they have been brought up like by their parent/parents? Winds me up when you hear people (not you) saying its the government/ teachers etc failing kids which whilst they must have an influence surely most of it comes down to what youre taught at home?
All these kids stabbing each other for example at 13/ 14 at 2am in the morning....my mum wouldve killed me if she'd caught out at that time at that age....and ive got the scars to prove it!
Agree with you on the benefits system being a joke in that respect but Tony Blair/ David Cameron cant go round and kick every lazy teenager out of their pit but their parents can. Dont think the smacking law would have held much clout in many homes either (not talking about abuse) but i couldnt care if it was illegal my children would still get a smack round the legs on the rare occasion it warranted it..
Yep i do agree they are and im probably what would be considered as very old fashioned when it comes to family values etc.
Dont believe in all this "little people" talk and all the instant demanded "respect" that a lot of young uns seem to view as a birth right. No you are a child and youll do as your told and earn respect until you start paying the rent.
Of course theres gonna be people who do all that and come from caring/ discipline backgrounds but surely the majority dont? Think self respect is a lot of it too and it just winds me up when you hear the media trying to blame everyone but the wrongdoer for the wrong doing instead of saying people need to be a lot more accountable for their own lives and behaviour.