One hopes and prays that the allegations re the youth player are just that.....allegations. If this proves to be the case I'm sure we'd like to think he could obtain 'significant' compensation from Sun Newspapers. Mmmmmm......some hope!
That aside Henry, what do you think to the central point? It is interesting, even if you put aside the nature of the offences.
It would be interesting if it wasn't clearly an attempt to deflect attention from "the Lads" who have been charged and yet again play the victim card
It maybe dressed up as a comparison of different approaches to jurisprudence but that is not the motive behind this.
I don't disagree with you, but the central point is interesting.
Chunes as an example says 'Those guys on the train must have a watertight case against them.'
I'd rather wait for the court to judge thanks.
As Jints says only the court can judge them. Charlton haven't banned anyone only said that they will ban any found guilty of such offences.
Large makes a very good point that none of the nine have been named, unlike the Charlton player.
So if anyone has a reason to complain it is the Charlton player not the nine.
But as I said the reason this is being posted here is to stir up sympathy for the nine and paint them as innocent victims of PC/Labour/Middle Class "tossers".
Funny considering at no point on that other lengthy thread did you deny they were singing racist songs. Now you want to talk about innocent until proven guilty? MEH
Loco, i think you present your point well (on here) and on the face of it there is little to disagree with.
However...:-)
I simply cannot compare the two 'actions' and find it futile bringing them together.
This is not an argument of one against the other, its just re-dressing and re-raising the question on whether the club were right to play such a prominent, public role in the arrest of the 9 supporters. This has been debated at length on here, people are clearly split yes and no, and i have no wish to bring it up again on here as people are hardline in their opinions on such things, unwilling to accept an opposite view, and it becomes destructive.
We're having a good season, the best one for a number of years. Can't we just concentrate on the positive things as they are rather than trying to keep adressing negatives or divisive subjects ?
On the other (non) action, the club have not publicly said anything, and i doubt they can or wish to while an investigation is on-going, to what is an extremely serious allegation. It is not the club's fault the Sun choose to publish the allegation and name the accused, and whether press should be able to before charges have been made is a completely separate argument. I'm sure the club will make a statement when the process reaches the next stage, either charges brought or enquiries dropped.
Loco, i think you present your point well (on here) and on the face of it there is little to disagree with.
However...:-)
I simply cannot compare the two 'actions' and find it futile bringing them together.
This is not an argument of one against the other, its just re-dressing and re-raising the question on whether the club were right to play such a prominent, public role in the arrest of the 9 supporters. This has been debated at length on here, people are clearly split yes and no, and i have no wish to bring it up again on here as people are hardline in their opinions on such things, unwilling to accept an opposite view, and it becomes destructive.
We're having a good season, the best one for a number of years. Can't we just concentrate on the positive things as they are rather than trying to keep adressing negatives or divisive subjects ?
On the other (non) action, the club have not publicly said anything, and i doubt they can or wish to while an investigation is on-going, to what is an extremely serious allegation. It is not the club's fault the Sun choose to publish the allegation and name the accused, and whether press should be able to before charges have been made is a completely separate argument. I'm sure the club will make a statement when the process reaches the next stage, either charges brought or enquiries dropped.
What is interesting is that two branches of the Murdoch empire have been involved in both cases. One (arguably) to benefit of the club and The Police - Sky Sports News and The other to the Detriment ( again arguably ) with the youth player - The Sun.
It's the media's role in both cases that slightly disturb me and is the main focus of the discusion . Let the courts decide who is guilty.
To my mind the 9 have obviously been identified by the club, filmed and now the police have evidence as well so there's no doubt they are guilty. Lets stop beating about the bush, Loco seems happy that we have fans who want to chant racist stuff and those fans and the club that seem have assisted in 'catching them' aren't so the central point is really, do you want them to carry on with the chanting and do you think the fans and club should have assisted in getting them arrested or are you happy for them to carry on or should they just have been given a warning and threatened with violence if they carried on. Anything else is just 'guff'.
Is it ok with you if I have an opinion ? Not that it's got anything to do with you considering your not 'admin'.
I understand not being allowed to comment to much on legal cases but it dosn't sit comfortably with me that the club havn't condenmed (Sp) the alleged rape yet they immdiatley brought the 'train incident' t public light and condenmed them then threatened to take further action.
It seems that this is not a minority's view either as me and others on here agreed with Loco's post...
What is interesting is that two branches of the Murdoch empire have been involved in both cases. One (arguably) to benefit of the club and The Police - Sky Sports News and The other to the Detriment ( again arguably ) with the youth player - The Sun.
It's the media's role in both cases that slightly disturb me and is the main focus of the discusion . Let the courts decide who is guilty.
The Sun newspaper is a law unto itself, just like it's erstwhile sister paper, News of the World.
The Sun should never have named a minor in these circumstances.
Seems to me they are different incidents and one concerns an employee which requires its own sensitivities. It is wrong to compare when you are not party to the information the club has to make its position. The evidence may be clearer in one instance than it is in the other. I'm sur ethe club will act appropriately when these matters have run there course.
What I meant Ormy is I doubt the police media got hold of sky sports to be there at dawn for the arrests, regarding the other issue looking at past claims with footballers I'm surprised he was named and shamed as there nearly always get found to be lies
What I meant Ormy is I doubt the police media got hold of sky sports to be there at dawn for the arrests, regarding the other issue looking at past claims with footballers I'm surprised he was named and shamed as there nearly always get found to be lies
Don't know about that, mate, the Old Bill are desperate for a good bit of PR these days given the fact that they have dropped so many clangers over the last year.
Wasn't a really good look for them to stand by whilst a bunch of kids ransacked our capital city nor to be caught inflagrante with the Dirty Digger.
Is it ok with you if I have an opinion ? Not that it's got anything to do with you considering your not 'admin'.
I understand not being allowed to comment to much on legal cases but it dosn't sit comfortably with me that the club havn't condenmed (Sp) the alleged rape yet they immdiatley brought the 'train incident' t public light and condenmed them then threatened to take further action.
It seems that this is not a minority's view either as me and others on here agreed with Loco's post...
You have made it quite clear where you stand on a number of issues, but one thing is for sure, and that is that you are in the minority, thankfully.
For the record, I'm not middle class, never voted Labour or Liberal and I tell non-PC jokes.
The two circumstances are very different in my view . Henry's intervention is very interesting , I think we know why Loco didn't post the additional information here . His comments about Rick are disgraceful.
I do not know the names of the nine and was not on the train concerned , I have been told the name of the Youth team player by a national newspaper .
Like others , I have become sick of the antics of a 'minority' of our fans . I'm pleased the club has since properly investigated allegations which had been made and that the Police have taken action when such an incident reoccured whilst surveilance was taking place .
The club has shown zero tolerance against anti social behaviour being allegedly purpetrated in its name .If this make me a middle class tosser then so be it .
The other alleged incident also repulses me and if true I doubt if our Youth player will have a future at this club , If untrue it is also shameful the Sun named him in the way they did because it will be difficult for him to repair his reputation and it will have an affect on his career .
Although still a criminal law investigation ,this is a personal matter which the club would need to investigate as his employer and bringing the club into disrepute , so under employment law they cannot make a statement at this time because it would be predudicial .
Is it ok with you if I have an opinion ? Not that it's got anything to do with you considering your not 'admin'.
It seems that this is not a minority's view either as me and others on here agreed with Loco's post...
Did I say you couldn't have an opinion? No, I never did. Why is it that as soon as someone disagrees you have to hide behind "Am I not allowed to have an opinion"
I think you and Loco are in a minority, on here at least, not that it makes any difference, you're still both wrong. In my opinion that is : - )
Is it ok with you if I have an opinion ? Not that it's got anything to do with you considering your not 'admin'.
I understand not being allowed to comment to much on legal cases but it dosn't sit comfortably with me that the club havn't condenmed (Sp) the alleged rape yet they immdiatley brought the 'train incident' t public light and condenmed them then threatened to take further action.
It seems that this is not a minority's view either as me and others on here agreed with Loco's post...
You have made it quite clear where you stand on a number of issues, but one thing is for sure, and that is that you are in the minority, thankfully.
For the record, I'm not middle class, never voted Labour or Liberal and I tell non-PC jokes.
Was done to death on here before but Henry seems to want to make it personal as I failed to notice him post comments after others agreed.
I'm off now anyway. You crack on with your non-PC jokes. Have a nice day.
Ormy I doubt very much the police media contacted sky sports highly doubtful and it seems a strange protocol to have someone from the club outside there houses with a clipboard chatting away to cameras. Let the police deal with these matters
Is it ok with you if I have an opinion ? Not that it's got anything to do with you considering your not 'admin'.
It seems that this is not a minority's view either as me and others on here agreed with Loco's post...
Did I say you couldn't have an opinion? No, I never did. Why is it that as soon as someone disagrees you have to hide behind "Am I not allowed to have an opinion"
I think you and Loco are in a minority, on here at least, not that it makes any difference, you're still both wrong. In my opinion that is : - )
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If this proves to be the case I'm sure we'd like to think he could obtain 'significant' compensation from Sun Newspapers.
Mmmmmm......some hope!
Large makes a very good point that none of the nine have been named, unlike the Charlton player.
So if anyone has a reason to complain it is the Charlton player not the nine.
But as I said the reason this is being posted here is to stir up sympathy for the nine and paint them as innocent victims of PC/Labour/Middle Class "tossers".
Funny considering at no point on that other lengthy thread did you deny they were singing racist songs. Now you want to talk about innocent until proven guilty? MEH
However...:-)
I simply cannot compare the two 'actions' and find it futile bringing them together.
This is not an argument of one against the other, its just re-dressing and re-raising the question on whether the club were right to play such a prominent, public role in the arrest of the 9 supporters. This has been debated at length on here, people are clearly split yes and no, and i have no wish to bring it up again on here as people are hardline in their opinions on such things, unwilling to accept an opposite view, and it becomes destructive.
We're having a good season, the best one for a number of years. Can't we just concentrate on the positive things as they are rather than trying to keep adressing negatives or divisive subjects ?
On the other (non) action, the club have not publicly said anything, and i doubt they can or wish to while an investigation is on-going, to what is an extremely serious allegation. It is not the club's fault the Sun choose to publish the allegation and name the accused, and whether press should be able to before charges have been made is a completely separate argument. I'm sure the club will make a statement when the process reaches the next stage, either charges brought or enquiries dropped.
Seriously, well said , AFKA, as always the voice of reason.
It's the media's role in both cases that slightly disturb me and is the main focus of the discusion . Let the courts decide who is guilty.
Do you really read every CAFC related site?
I understand not being allowed to comment to much on legal cases but it dosn't sit comfortably with me that the club havn't condenmed (Sp) the alleged rape yet they immdiatley brought the 'train incident' t public light and condenmed them then threatened to take further action.
It seems that this is not a minority's view either as me and others on here agreed with Loco's post...
The Sun should never have named a minor in these circumstances.
The Club will inevitably react differently as they have differing obligations to employees and customers.
The rest is froth.
Toff Tosser yes, but middle class
I am really quite chuffed.
Wasn't a really good look for them to stand by whilst a bunch of kids ransacked our capital city nor to be caught inflagrante with the Dirty Digger.
They are bound to jump on any good news they can.
but one thing is for sure, and that is that you are in the minority, thankfully.
For the record, I'm not middle class, never voted Labour or Liberal and I tell non-PC jokes.
I do not know the names of the nine and was not on the train concerned , I have been told the name of the Youth team player by a national newspaper .
Like others , I have become sick of the antics of a 'minority' of our fans . I'm pleased the club has since properly investigated allegations which had been made and that the Police have taken action when such an incident reoccured whilst surveilance was taking place .
The club has shown zero tolerance against anti social behaviour being allegedly purpetrated in its name .If this make me a middle class tosser then so be it .
The other alleged incident also repulses me and if true I doubt if our Youth player will have a future at this club , If untrue it is also shameful the Sun named him in the way they did because it will be difficult for him to repair his reputation and it will have an affect on his career .
Although still a criminal law investigation ,this is a personal matter which the club would need to investigate as his employer and bringing the club into disrepute , so under employment law they cannot make a statement at this time because it would be predudicial .
I think you and Loco are in a minority, on here at least, not that it makes any difference, you're still both wrong. In my opinion that is : - )
I'm off now anyway. You crack on with your non-PC jokes. Have a nice day.