Thought i would start this as a separate thread than the specific one on Sir Clive.
I'm just not sure i could.
Being a professional footballer is one of the most privileged jobs you could possibly do in this country. Very few of those who get to live that dream actually get to win anything.
If you were lucky enough to get to play at Wembley in a final, the biggest game in your career, and you go and win, score a hat trick and be man of the match, then that is possibly the greatest thing you could ever happen throughout your career, particularly if you were a bit of a journeyman.
That medal, and that matchball, would be my most sacred of possessions. Sure, you've got the video and the memories, but these were the tangible rewards and evidence of your achievements. Baring medical treatment or losing my house, there is no possible way i could part with them.
Not to start a kids football team, nor to give your missus a few quid to start something up.
Not knocking those that do, just saying its not something i think i could ever do. That applies across the board really, whether a sportsman selling his medals, or a soldier selling his.
How do you see it ?
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Either way medals etc belong to the person who won them and so theirs to do with as they wish. Just wish I could afford to buy any of the stuff.
If he's really broke it's stuff that could help him out.
Says I a cluttered up hoarder
We're having our house done up at the moment at and the missus was trying to convince me that I might be better off selling some of the memorabilia (or tat as she calls it) I've got. Amongst them are a few Charlton related things that are probably worth something. A sword from the old gates, a Stuart Leary contract from 1956/7, and some other interesting bits of paperwork. Could never sell them though.
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I make her right. De-clutter the house and give the stuff to me to auction off.
similarly my boy's medals/trophies mean a massive amount to me, just think they're nice things to have & keep.
Re the original point, I guess if Super Clive had any other option he wouldn't be doing it....but if I had to sell one I'd sell the medal and keep the match ball.
We're having our house done up at the moment at and the missus was trying to convince me that I might be better off selling some of the memorabilia (or tat as she calls it) I've got. Amongst them are a few Charlton related things that are probably worth something. A sword from the old gates, a Stuart Leary contract from 1956/7, and some other interesting bits of paperwork. Could never sell them though.
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I make her right. De-clutter the house and give the stuff to me to auction off.
Not to self, never let Ben know my home number!!
Wether Clive approached the club to sell them I have no idea?...... I have no idea what he expects to get for them, £25,000, £50,000. When you think of the millions that have been spent in recent years, on so called premiership players, I think most of us are just gutted at this.
The last thing I would want to do is question Clive's right to do this, I am sure he has his reasons, which are his concern's and for him to decide. As previously posted I really hope that the club can secure the winners medal, if nothing else. Let's hope that someone like Michael Grade can organise something, before some rich buyer has this for his own collection, who might not even be a fan and it is lost to all CAFC fans. The Directors are the custodians of the club, put on £2 a ticket for a league match, or have a game to raise the funds with the wembley team/Charlton all stars playing against the current squad, surely a sell out?
It's a shame but if circumstances mean he must sell then I hope the club gets them back somehow
I also think footballers must have varying thoughts with regards to winning medals and what football clubs they win those with. I can't believe that it would mean the same to them to win a medal for Charlton than it would to us. Although it is an achievement it must differ to how we think it feels for them to win something?
And ultimately, some people just aren't as sentimental as others. Some people collect things, some people don't.
Needing more money is a lame excuse - whatever you need it for. Either suck it up like the rest of us or go to the bank like the rest of us. If the bank wont lend to you then there is a good chance your business plan is flawed anyway. If you need money to pay off lifestyle debts then you shouldn't gamble what you don't have anyway. The only reasonable exception is to give them to chairty to sell.
Medals should mean more to people than money, in my opinion, people should be forced to give back medals if they try to sell them (and yes I appreciate this would be impossible to enforce).
I am really angry about this!
That is nothing like the sir Clive scenario, but sometimes you just sell important things for the quick £.
Agree with you on it though AFKA.
I know that one ex-Chartlon player really did see it as nothing more than a job and had nothing to do with the game after retirement. Everyone is different but feel that as he gets older he'll regret doing this.
That's fine and perfectly acceptable, so give the medal back to the club when you first receive it. Don't hang on to it simply to exploit other people's passon.
Pro's are always going to look at differently and to them they'll have the memory of the day and probably dozens of other bits and pieces too to remind them hence they can afford to put money over sentiment.
He'll have those 3 goals forever though eh.
@drf says he could go to a bank and get a loan if he had a decent business plan, but banks don't necessarily loan against good commercial business plans thats why so many SME's are in such trouble these days and they charge extortionate interest rates. And finally, it was only a week or two ago someone mentioned on CL about his daughter getting a log book loan and was castigated along with anyone that borrowed any money on here.
Hope it goes to the CAFC trophy locker and if CM has done anything wrong it would be to have not come to the club first assuming he did not.