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Arsenal fans. disgraceful?

edited October 2011 in General Charlton
Emmanuel Adebayor might have thought that he had heard it all in terms of abuse from the terraces. It does not get much worse than hearing your mother and father defamed in the most vitriolic fashion. Or maybe it does?The Arsenal supporters were always likely to try to get under the skin of their former striker, whose presence in the lily white of Tottenham Hotspur represented the most serious of affronts, yet they managed to excel themselves when they wished that he had died in a gun massacre."It should have been you, it should have been you," they sang, at regular intervals in the first-half. "Shot in Angola. It should have been you."Adebayor will forever be haunted by the terrorist attack on the Togo team bus in January of last year, in which three people were killed. He knows that if he had been sitting two rows further forward, it could have been him. It was charming, then, of the travelling fans to remind him of the trauma and it offered further proof that simply nothing is off-limits in the modern game.


this was taken from the guardian. should arsenal fans be banned from games for this? i think so.
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  • some will say its just banter.

    Personally, it's vile
  • Your always going to get idiots like this.
    I used to go west ham a lot with my mates and some ex players got awful abuse.
    I recall shortly after lampard mum had died, sections of the crowd were chanting "Wheres your mama gone, wheres your mama gone"
    Defoe got,"You should've died with your brother, died with your brother"
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    A vile minority who make the majority look a lot worse than they are
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    So well played to everyone that had got the banter going. YES, banter, if you find this offensive you're watching the wrong sport.



    Not my words, quoted from the Blades post match thread about the chanting at Ched Evans. One mans banter is another mans offensive remark.

    I'm with Rothko on this.


  • So well played to everyone that had got the banter going. YES, banter, if you find this offensive you're watching the wrong sport.



    Not my words, quoted from the Blades post match thread about the chanting at Ched Evans. One mans banter is another mans offensive remark.

    I'm with Rothko on this.
    What was the chanting? From our lot?
  • Leave 'banter' for the millwall wanabees. All banter is really about is trying to impress your mates.

    At some stage, and it varies from individual to individual, you realise its all a bit sad, and what you used to find funny isn't actually that funny. Jokes about people who have dies, chants about people charged with rape etc
  • Leave 'banter' for the millwall wanabees. All banter is really about is trying to impress your mates.

    At some stage, and it varies from individual to individual, you realise its all a bit sad, and what you used to find funny isn't actually that funny. Jokes about people who have dies, chants about people charged with rape etc
    Yep!
  • If Ched "20k a week" Evans is intimidated by a couple of hundred schoolboys then I'm a monkeys uncle.

    Pointless and slightly irritating.
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    Is it me or is it that spurs are becoming less dislikeable than Arsenal?  Wegner is great and they play top football and used to admire the club and wish no really ill feeling to them but their fans come across more muppet like with each passing season.
  • "She said no Evans, She said no" and the odd chant of Rapist. From ours about his rape case.

  • Is it me or is it that spurs are becoming less dislikeable than Arsenal?  Wegner is great and they play top football and used to admire the club and wish no really ill feeling to them but their fans come across more muppet like with each passing season.
    You wouldn't say Wenger is great if you heard his constant snide remarks on French TV. I can't stand the bloke: for me he's on a par with Dowie and Pardew.
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    Probably would jim as non parle le francais other than what I remember from my Tricolore ;-)
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    Did any of you hear the song that spurs fans sang at adebayor when he played at man city? It was pretty crap. I'll dig it out tomorrow.
  • "No woman, no Kai" from (Everton (?) fans to Rooney after his unfaithfulness led to Coleen not letting him see his son. Think that's close to the line but acceptable considering what he'd done.

    But yeah the above is disgusting and not even funny
  •    I can't stand the bloke: for me he's on a par with Pardew.
    What's wrong with Pardew? He's doing rather well.
  • Yes, the Arsenal fans were disgraceful yesterday but some of the Spurs fans were no better with their constant Wenger Paedo chants.
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    I think there has to be a line and some seem to think that if it affects an opposing player/manager- anything is game. That is very sad IMO, why can't civilised people have some standards? .Maybe I have already answered my question.
  • The other thing is that any reporting of the Ched Evans "banter" is that the woman who may or may not have been a victim of rape is also an indirect victim of this f*cking offensive stuff.  Nice one lads, as long as you think it gives your football team an advantage what's a little collateral damage eh?  BAnter is something that will make your mates laugh in a pub, not something that would get you arrested or smacked in the mouth.
  • Disgraceful, I have no idea what they would get out of those chants. What did he do to upset them so much? Not put in the effort and move to another club on a higher wage? Welcome to the real world you dullards!

    As for offensive chanting, we've got a nasty one about a palace fan before an FA Cup Semi-Final, which although isn't on that level needs to be taken in to account before we start judging other fans.
  • It's funny you should say that because for some reason sections of our own support were singing the Adebayor songs at MK Dons last week.
  • Yep, and the one that FoD is referring to.
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  • My Arsenal supporting pal has blamed the loss yesterday on injuries.
  • If Ched "20k a week" Evans is intimidated by a couple of hundred schoolboys then I'm a monkeys uncle.

    Pointless and slightly irritating.
    20k a week lol....r u serious ?
  • Leave 'banter' for the millwall wanabees. All banter is really about is trying to impress your mates.

    At some stage, and it varies from individual to individual, you realise its all a bit sad, and what you used to find funny isn't actually that funny. Jokes about people who have died, chants about people charged with rape etc
    My emphasis and if your mates are impressed by those sorts of songs what does that say about you and them.
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    Leave 'banter' for the millwall wanabees. All banter is really about is trying to impress your mates. At some stage, and it varies from individual to individual, you realise its all a bit sad, and what you used to find funny isn't actually that funny. Jokes about people who have died, chants about people charged with rape etc
    My emphasis and if your mates are impressed by those sorts of songs what does that say about you and them.

     

    spot on.   And I don't buy the under/over 24 argument either, unless we're talking about IQ rather than age

  • I wonder why it is that hooliganism has dropped so much over the last 20 years or so, but this sort of stuff, verbal hooliganism if you like, is on the up.

    The Evans chants on Saturday didn't particularly bother me initially, I think any player who finds himself in the papers for the wrong reasons is inevitably gonna get some stick. Just thought it was a bit sad that a significant number of our supporters spent most of the first half of a top of the table clash goading an opposition player rather than getting behind Charlton.

    The Arsenal/Adebuyor stuff's on a different level, but it's not particularly an "Arsenal" thing, more a case of circumstances dictating that it just happens to be Arsenal fans in the wrong on this occasion. Spurs fans would have been chanting exactly the same stuff if it was the other way round, just as Man City and Leeds fans chant anti-Munich stuff at Man U, Millwall wave Galatassaray flags at Leeds supporters, I'm sure there's plenty more to add to that list as well. More a refection of certain elements of society today, than of one particular club's supporters.

     

  • You're right - its not an Arsenal thing.  A few months back in April Spurs fans were singing "Adebayor, adebayor... your father washes elephants, your mothers a whore".

    It wasnt deemed to be racist... just offensive.  Why did he choose to go there?   Strange.

    sorry its a daily mail link but there are plent of links to the story.


  • I wonder why it is that hooliganism has dropped so much over the last 20 years or so, but this sort of stuff, verbal hooliganism if you like, is on the up.

    The Evans chants on Saturday didn't particularly bother me initially, I think any player who finds himself in the papers for the wrong reasons is inevitably gonna get some stick. Just thought it was a bit sad that a significant number of our supporters spent most of the first half of a top of the table clash goading an opposition player rather than getting behind Charlton.

    The Arsenal/Adebuyor stuff's on a different level, but it's not particularly an "Arsenal" thing, more a case of circumstances dictating that it just happens to be Arsenal fans in the wrong on this occasion. Spurs fans would have been chanting exactly the same stuff if it was the other way round, just as Man City and Leeds fans chant anti-Munich stuff at Man U, Millwall wave Galatassaray flags at Leeds supporters, I'm sure there's plenty more to add to that list as well. More a refection of certain elements of society today, than of one particular club's supporters.

     

     

    You're right, MrLargo, that it's not one club's supporters that is especially to blame - apparently the Spurs fans were singing the same stuff last season when Adebayor played for Real Madrid against them.   

     

    But if this stuff is starting to occur at pretty well every major ground, then we are on a slippery slope back to the 80s.  A mate of mine gave up his S/T at the Valley a few years ago (we were still Prem) because he was fed up with some of this 'banter', and not prepared to subject his son to any more of it.  The clubs need to stamp it out, start with warnings and then if need be ejections & bans.

  • I tell my 10 year old that because he hears it, it doesn't mean it is right or clever or he should think about ever repeating it. I'm pretty sure he understands - if he didn't I wouldn't take him any more. That could be a future supporter lost as it seems others have been lost. The people's parents may not have taught their children proper decent values but I know my parental responsibilities and it is already clear to me, thankfully, that my son will not turn out like any of them and the very few who might not do it but think it is funny!!!!!!.
  • Yes, the Arsenal fans were disgraceful yesterday but some of the Spurs fans were no better with their constant Wenger Paedo chants.
    But Wenger is NOT a Peado just as Sol Campbell is not a poof so these type of chants are pointless.
  • Vile. Nothing less.
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