Quality Of Coaching At Charlton

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Quite a lot of times we talk about this player and that player and invariably talk about the things we'd like to see improve in their game , ie Wagstaffs crossing , i think someone said Paul Hayes shots could be harder , do our players have people who can teach them these things , or do we rely solely on what they can already do, ie can we actually improve the players we've got or have we got what we've got?

Can you improve / coach players once they are past a certain age , or does the saying you can't teach an old dog new tricks apply.

scruffle

teach an old dog new tricks - Yes you can, prime example Benson last season added alot more to his game than he came with

Also who'se to say we haven't been trying to train certain players to expand on area's of there game they aren't so great at? Example Waggy and crossing - complete miff he can cross a ball but generally he's more effective my being direct, if he had a trick to go past ppl you'd see him cross the ball more but more often than not he comes inside where he is bloody effective!! Also he doesn't strike the ball like say danny green, this is why he's great in front of goal - gets his foot through the ball rather than wrapping around the ball.

I think we should get players utalise their best weapons and work on overall game rather than putting all the attention on trying to change players 

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Ok fair points.

Plaaayer

Seriously, what does Mervin Day do for his money?

Dazzler21

Quite a lot of times we talk about this player and that player and invariably talk about the things we'd like to see improve in their game , ie Wagstaffs crossing , i think someone said Paul Hayes shots could be harder , do our players have people who can teach them these things , or do we rely solely on what they can already do, ie can we actually improve the players we've got or have we got what we've got?

Can you improve / coach players once they are past a certain age , or does the saying you can't teach an old dog new tricks apply.

Look at Wayne rooney he has added heading the ball over the last two seasons.
Benno is a good shout at our level.

tangoflash

Scruffle

I'm a big fan of waggy but Y'ou're wrong there. He cannot cross the ball. Yeah, he can hit it towards the area (normally failing to get any lift on the ball) now and then but there's a big difference between that and crossing, as you will see with Green.

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Seriously, what does Mervin Day do for his money?

??? 

aggh sarcasm ;0

My brains just warming up!

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Quite a lot of times we talk about this player and that player and invariably talk about the things we'd like to see improve in their game , ie Wagstaffs crossing , i think someone said Paul Hayes shots could be harder , do our players have people who can teach them these things , or do we rely solely on what they can already do, ie can we actually improve the players we've got or have we got what we've got?

Can you improve / coach players once they are past a certain age , or does the saying you can't teach an old dog new tricks apply.

Look at Wayne rooney he has added heading the ball over the last two seasons.
Benno is a good shout at our level.

Your right Rooney has 'evolved' so too speak.

scruffle

Scruffle

I'm a big fan of waggy but Y'ou're wrong there. He cannot cross the ball. Yeah, he can hit it towards the area (normally failing to get any lift on the ball) now and then but there's a big difference between that and crossing, as you will see with Green.

Thats a fair point, kinda what I was trying to explain, they've both got different techniques, Green whips a ball in wrapping his foot around the ball with pretty perfect dip and curl for someone to attack the ball, serving it up on a platter one would say, where as Waggy hits through the ball and gets it in the righ area but leaves a lot of work for the attacker. Which is probably why Waggy is encouraged to do what he does well and go down the line cut in then cut the ball back. 

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Scruffle

I'm a big fan of waggy but Y'ou're wrong there. He cannot cross the ball. Yeah, he can hit it towards the area (normally failing to get any lift on the ball) now and then but there's a big difference between that and crossing, as you will see with Green.

Thats a fair point, kinda what I was trying to explain, they've both got different techniques, Green whips a ball in wrapping his foot around the ball with pretty perfect dip and curl for someone to attack the ball, serving it up on a platter one would say, where as Waggy hits through the ball and gets it in the righ area but leaves a lot of work for the attacker. Which is probably why Waggy is encouraged to do what he does well and go down the line cut in then cut the ball back. 

But could Waggy learn how to cross a ball like Green, or is that impossible to do because he's so fast?

scruffle

Also in response to the oringal question - didnt last night prove we have players who have learnt/trained new skills - Benno and Mambo, prime examples

scruffle

Scruffle

I'm a big fan of waggy but Y'ou're wrong there. He cannot cross the ball. Yeah, he can hit it towards the area (normally failing to get any lift on the ball) now and then but there's a big difference between that and crossing, as you will see with Green.

Thats a fair point, kinda what I was trying to explain, they've both got different techniques, Green whips a ball in wrapping his foot around the ball with pretty perfect dip and curl for someone to attack the ball, serving it up on a platter one would say, where as Waggy hits through the ball and gets it in the righ area but leaves a lot of work for the attacker. Which is probably why Waggy is encouraged to do what he does well and go down the line cut in then cut the ball back. 

But could Waggy learn how to cross a ball like Green, or is that impossible to do because he's so fast?

Maybe, but prob like trying to get someone to learn to walk again, waggy will have kicked a ball like that, almost instinctivly from a very young age, also if that detracts from his normal game then why bother? Think he is very effective, just in a different way to green

Weegie Addick

My first rule of management is play to strengths.  It's fine to encourage people to be aware of their weaknesses and to work to overcome them, but this should not be at the expense of nurturing their standout skills.  Especially in a team game, you can complement each other - they don't all have to be able to do everything.

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My first rule of management is play to strengths.  It's fine to encourage people to be aware of their weaknesses and to work to overcome them, but this should not be at the expense of nurturing their standout skills.  Especially in a team game, you can complement each other - they don't all have to be able to do everything.

I agree with your last line , but do you not agree if it was possible for Waggy to improve his crossing we could have a Premiership player on our books , if as we all hope the club are heading in an upward direction , i would love him to be part of the journey , his effort and work rate is exceptional.

Or do you think he is basically a striker playing in a wingers position because with pace like that it is a waste not to have that drive and energy in the team.

tangoflash

It's possible that Waggy could improve on his crossing but it would never be to the same standard as Green as a mojority of it is down to natural talent. Not saying Waggy doesn't have natural talent btw, it's just that his is not crossing.

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I understand you Tango . different players , different strengths.

WSA

In Waggy's defence...

The televised Orient away match, didn't Waggy beat his man and put a superb cross in for Solly to score? 

Also, what is this 'Waggy can't play with BWP' - did you see the one two they had for BWP's goal against Colchester?

He's a young player - give him a break!

tangoflash

Putting in one superb cross out of 20 attempts does not really go in his favour though.

As for him not being able to play up top with BWP, It may now be the ideal partnership but I wouldn't write it off without giving it a go, same as any other combination of our strikers.

CharltonFan94

Definitely.

Training every day must improve your performance, especially if you continually work on your weaknesses.

ShootersHillGuru

Good quality coaching should be able to improve any player. To what extent will determine those players that continue to progress and end up playing at a very high standard and those that reach their maximum potential lower down the leagues. At Charlton now I think we have for the first time in a few seasons a group that can be improved.

Bexley Dan

Improvement of course is always possible but look at Walcott - he's similar to Waggy in many ways and it hasn't stopped him from playing for Arsenal and England. I like Wagstaff and i like Green, they both offer sometrhing different and i think thats a bonus - maybe Jackson could be the fall guy? I'm not saying he should be but his all round game probably isn'ta s effective (going forward anyway) as either of those two but he does have an incredible knack of scoring goals which is valuable. A bit like Lampard - you'd never watcha  game and drool over his skills but his ability to score goals from midfield is incredible.