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Anyone here done a degree in Politics?

Or a similar course.
I've been looking into Politics for a while now, and was hoping (assuming my as' and then a-levels come out well) to start the course in 2012, at one of Leeds, Bristol, Exeter and Nottingham. Obviously theres no guarentee that i'll do sufficiently well to go to one of those mentioned, but thats what i'm hoping for.
I do have a firm interest in the subject, but the problem i have is that im unsure of where such a degree will lead me to when im 21/22. I've been looking through what the course entails and its background, and as such have found very little bar the usual waffle, which points to careers opportunities directly from the degree. Its something i want to do, but not if there's little employment opportunities once its over.
If i felt as though this was still the case before the application procedure, then i would instead look to an economics degree which i enjoy less, but feel as though there are greater opportunities once the course is over.

With fee's going up the year i wish to start, i really can't afford to make the wrong decision.
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    Do law, buckets of money!
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    Drop Thommo a inbox mate.

    Just think he's finished a phd around it all. I think.
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    Politics degrees aren't so much about discussing the rights and wrongs of the Marxist dialectic, but more about studying governmental and political systems, and comparing and contrasting etc, although that depends on the course and whether you take political science rather than governmental organisations options. Some governmental systems can be interesting and have a direct infuence on our daily lives, but on the other hand you could find yourself attending lectures on and writing essays about the Lok Sabha. Fascinating if you like that sort of thing, but pretty dry.

    Politics degrees are in a similar category to other Arts degrees like history, English lit etc, they rarely lead to direct jobs in the subject unless you want to teach in the subject area, but they will develop your ability to frame an argument, study and be articulate. As such they are degrees in education, but not vocational in that they lead automatically to a career job, which means that on graduation you may well find yourself doing more studying, or doing something totally unconnected with your degree. In these days of high tuition fees, is that something you feel comfortable doing? Especially as you'll be dragging that student debt around with you.

    The choice is yours, but in this climate I'd be looking at doing that would make me employable in three/four years time.

     

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    Cheers guys. Thats the problem i have BFR. Do i let my current interests overide my future employment chances? I don't want to bore myself through 3 years, but i don't want to find myself unemployed at the end too. Hopefully things will become clearer in the near future.
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    Ive just finished my first year at leeds studying History and Politics.... So purely on that subject, i think its been a really good course! Would highly recommend Leeds both as a place to live and as a university teaching politics. 

    I think dong politics (or something similar like History, English etc) does open many doors. Internships are an option but also i believe its worth studying something you enjoy for the three years at uni and then doing a masters in something else afterwards depending on what you want to do (which is what im hoping to do). It leaves the door open to many different jobs! 

    Anyway good luck in exams and results! 
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    I'm sure MacDonalds will employ you whatever degree you have.
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    You have to do the one that interests you.  Politics is a degree with good transferable skills, as mentioned above.  Don't even think about economics unless you are A grade standard at Maths A level.
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    Yes I did but that was over 25 years ago and things have changed a lot since then.  On the positive side if you're interested in the subject then it is a relatively easy degree to pass as long as you do the reading.  On the negative side you are going to be competing with a large number of non-vocational graduates for a limited number of jobs.  I applied unsuccessfully for nearly 100 graduate trainee posts before landing an A level entry civil service management job however it was the mid 80s and unemployment was 4million, having said but the number of students going to university was much lower than it is now so I would imagine that competition for jobs will be fierce.


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    This isn't going to be of any use to you Folev, but just as a matter of interest I've got a conditional offer (grade dependent) to study Politics at Sheffield, starting this September. I've also thought the same as you. I'm looking at maybe doing a brief journalism course afterwards (although admittedly I've done very little research into the feasibility of this) - as journalism was what I initially what I thought I wanted to do. But, after speaking to a couple of journalists, they told me that having a specialised subject area is beneficial. As I enjoy doing politics for A-Level, that's what I've decided to do, and just see where it goes from there really. 
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    Ive just fnished a Politics degree from Nottingham about a month ago. I couldnt recommend it any more, especially if you already have a firm interest in it. Don't be too concerned about what area of Politics you wish to study, because you can usually tailor your course to include all of the things that you wish to explore, ranging from the merits of representative democracy and political theories to the fundamental causes behind terrorism and organised crime, it really does cover a HUGE range of topics, loads more than you will be experiencing currently at school or college. It's one of the most interesting courses to do, but it involves a huge amount of research, less in-depth than law, but usually about twice as many sources needed to be covered per essay/exam.

    As for it not being helpful getting you a job, I would have to say I disagree. As long as your not inumerate, all major banks of all kinds can offer a wide variety of roles and only want a 2:1 degree in any subject. Politics is probably the best well thought of non-vocational degree behind law and economics/maths. I know people that have degrees in maths that go into politics and people with english degrees that have gone into insurance companies and banks. There are loads of transferable skills and dont be shy about doing a Politics degree because you have to do something that vaguely interests you, otherwise you will hate getting up every morning/afternoon! I would say that it matters just as much WHEREyou go. With a non-vocational course like Politics, the standard of education matters more if you're going to gain those transferable skills. Nottingham is in the top 1% in the world, so employees know I had to have done very well at A Levels and uni to come out with the degree I have. No offence to people who go to uni's lower down the rankings, but it really isn't worth your time unless you're doing a specialist degree i.e. engineering, sciences.

     

    The other added bonus is its the best thing I've ever done. I met so many people, lived on my own for 3 years, and had the best days of my life. Sounds like a cliche but u wont find too many people that have a crap time at uni. So go!

    (If you need any more help, whisper me).

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    edited June 2011

    I'm weeks away from getting my final year results, studied Politics at UCLand Hunter College (NY). I have to disagree with Black Forest Reds, U.K universities are becoming more political philosophy intensive. Little in the way of studying political systems and contemporary governmental practices. I came from a school where most went on to study either classics, politics, economics or PPE. General consensus amongst those who went on the do politics is that you cover the above in your first year, and the remaining two years focus on political theory, ideology and political critique, modern political thought; so in fact discussion of Marxist theory is the lynchpin to most politics courses in the country.
    As a course it's great, I have friends finishing up in Exeter who loved their course, i'm from Nottingham and I can tell you that they have a brilliant politics department.
    Like Lost Red said, politics as a course is multifaceted, there are elements of anthropology, international relations, economics, business, history - some might say english, though that can only be said for structuring essays and  sussing out/employing political discourse.
    I won't ramble on, I love the subject, i'm sure you will too. It's a good idea to research the courses and see what interests you most.

    In terms of looking beyond the three years, you make of it what you will. In three months i'm heading off to Argentina to assist a policy unit on Drug War politics, a couple of my friends are going straight into Whitehall to intern for local MPs, many go into academia... Having said this, its a well perceived course by name, you can go into almost anything.
    Good luck with your A-levels.

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    Can I help ? I am well practiced in refusing to give a straight answer, and I just love filling my own pockets. I kiss babies with enormous style, and one day I would like a Duck House on my pond. My Biography will be called You Certainly Can Fool Enough People For Long Enough To Live Like A King.
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    edited June 2011

    Hi mate,

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    I just finished my PhD (last week) in Political Science, I did my undergraduate degree in Politics at <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Exeter and a Masters in European Social Policy at Bath. My experience of all the courses was fantastic, I really enjoyed them all and each one helped me take the next step. I’ve only just finished so just doing bits of lecturing work at the moment but applying for academic jobs all over the place. Since my undergraduate degree I’ve held jobs as a research officer, postgraduate administrator, local government officer and marketing/finance jobs.

     

    As I’ve continued down the academic route I can only really talk about the job options I’ve had and where I see my friends now. The majority of graduates with a solid Politics degree will be in a good position to apply along with everyone else for the various generic graduate programmes (from accountancy to marketing etc). Although the majority of my friends went straight into the Civil Service fast stream (Gov’t/ONS/Diplomatic Service/M15/LocalGov/GCHQ etc.). There are plenty of places to work but with it plenty of competition.

     

    I’ve been doing a piece of work for Birmingham this month about where our PhD graduates go and can say its just as competitive at all levels. Too few jobs and too many graduates. I came across this at Nottingham a good post undergraduate degree careers leaflet. http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/shared/shared_careers/leaflets/pdf/Politics_leaflet.pdf

     

    I wouldn’t particularly take economics or law over politics, many graduates in social science subjects do law conversion courses (although this is obviously additional time and expense). At Exeter I was able to make sure I managed to take a broad range of modules (you can take one or two modules outside your department each year), in this way I managed to modules in economics, history and sociology. Have a good look at the module lists of the different institutions and see which are on offer.

     

    What I think counts for a great deal in recent years in my experience (when scoring CVs and interviewing graduates) is additional experience. With so many good quality undergraduates it is about what extra you can add. Firstly we look for a clear and well written CV, secondly check the person fits the person specification. This I think is where a ‘well rounded’ student can show how their experience beyond the academic can add to each role (ability to work, leadership, broad commercial experience) so to improve employability on any degree, take on some paid work if you can, get actively involved with societies etc.

     

    All those institutions you hope to go to are great institutions; my personal experience of Exeter was superb, I know the new head of the Politics department at Nottingham well and I think the department is only going to get better with her at the helm. Bristol is a solid course with some good specialism in public policy and social policy. I don’t know too much about Leeds I’m afraid. A good degree Politics or Economics from any of those Unis will stand you in good stead alongside the majority of others beyond that its what you can add along the journey.

     

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    Like others, I'm say go with your instincts and interests - i.e. politics.  i did an economics degree, but my heart was never really in it.  I didn't get a brilliant degree result because of thid, and never really enjoyed the course - endless hours of reading the Economic Journal.  The only proviso is that if economics is your passport to a better uni, then you can't/shouldn't ignore that (in fact you might sneakily try & get in to the best uni and then try & switch courses, which is what I wish I'd done).

    Maybe economics has a slight edge in employability, but a 2:1 in pol trumps a 2:2 in econ these days

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    Politics is probably the best well thought of non-vocational degree behind law and economics/maths.

    ...and History, though Iagree with everything else you say.

     The only proviso is that if economics is your passport to a better uni, then you can't/shouldn't ignore that

    It won't be, because Economics is unbelievably competitive these days.  It's almost up there with Medicine.
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    Thanks for all the advice. You've definitely made be feel more comfortable about taking politics. I've still got a few months before the applications needs to be sent, and so hopefully with some good AS results, i can progress further in the subject that i enjoy.
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    My stepdaughter is at Hull uni doing Politics and european relations,now in her 2nd year
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    Some fantastic in depth advice on this thread. Good luck folev
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    I did history and Politics at Huddersfield and its a good base degree if you are not sure what career path you want to take. I am now a Lloyd's underwriter.
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    I did my Politics and International Relations degree at University of Hull

    you can use such a degree vocationally - teaching A'level, working in government, international organisations like the UN, NATO, European Commission, journalism, etc

    or indirectly in any career that requires a degree

    or finally you could go on and do an MA and PHD and teach or research at Uni

    I have never regretted taking mine as I had a genuine interest in it particularly international stuff, I do regret not pursuing it in some way as a career (not a politician though) but that's life I guess
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    A degree in Office Politics would probably come in handy!
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    having a degree doesn't necessarily mean you are good at doing it, just you know a lot about it :)
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    Power is politics, knowledge is power. So as Foucault, Hobbes, and Bacon would argue - by the process of inversion, knowing a lot about it means you are good at it....
    This is what five years of politics does to you, I can now disagree with everything and anything often through employing sheer and utter BS.

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    ha ha simply studying a topic doesn't make one have ability in the actual practice old bean, its not a vocational subject in that way like management or accountancy for example. A politics degree could enable one however to undertake political analysis however, and use however and nevertheless a great deal, and yes apply arguments and critiques.
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    I did politics and philosophy, albeit two decades ago.

    I really enjoyed it but I don't think it leaves you many direct options vocationally. I ended up for a year in graduate entry admin jobs before deciding to do another two years study to become a lawyer.

    Personally, I think you are best off using the three years to so something you find interesting. Sure, you could study accountancy or law or engineering to open up a career but it doesn't sound as if you have made your mind up what job you want.

     

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    ha ha simply studying a topic doesn't make one have ability in the actual practice old bean, its not a vocational subject in that way like management or accountancy for example. A politics degree could enable one however to undertake political analysis however, and use however and nevertheless a great deal, and yes apply arguments and critiques.

    It completely depends on what exactly you consider to be politics in 'actual' practice. If you were to sit down and spend time considering the scope of politics (that's not to say you have not) you would most likely come to the conclusion that it is far-reaching, almost all-encompassing. My comment; 'politics is power, as is knowledge' admittedly was a self-depricating aside, almost a stereotypical illustration of a politics student quoting passages from his favoured philosopher/s - as a fundermentalist Christian might do - in order to make a point.

    Anyway, I can't help but disagree with your claim that politics as a subject (at university level) isn't vocational. Yes, accountancy and management are subects that are 'job-specific', but politics offers many direct avenues as a course. For instance, it's incredibly hard to become a policy analyst without a politics degree (as you say). Couldn't quite make sense of the latter stages of your reply, probably because i'm knackered.
    For me, knowing politics is a prerequisite for exercising it, seeing as the purpose of university is to increase your knowledge and focus your attention on any given subject, understanding and discussing politics in this sense allows the student to pursue a career IN and practice IT.
    However, i'm sure we can both agree that it is a course worth doing based on our experiences, the fact that politics as a subject can spark debate is illustrative of the domain itself, the fact that it can be debated over on our team's forum makes it even more brilliant.

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    I was referring to the humorous comment about office politics, and suggesting semi seriously that studying that or a lot of other things does not make you good at practicising them, for example being a politician doesn't require a politics degree let alone make you a good one; nor for example does studying Art or History, and again none of those a prerequisites for being an Artist or a 'History maker'.

    geddit?
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    Thanks for all the help, i can see a lot of you have put in much time and effort in explaining such a variety of things, and its much appreciated.

    Jints You're right in saying that i'm not sure what i want to do after Uni.Which is why i've wanted to do something which opens up a variety of career paths, which some of you have suggested that politics does.
    However the problem i have is that perhaps politics doesn't lead to something more specific after Uni, even though it does open many doors. Regardless its still something i enjoy, and who knows what demands there may be in the future for people in such a field.
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    edited June 2011
    Think of it this way - if you hit 40 or so and have 15-20 years in a career in something you don't really enjoy and don't excel that well in - but get by, and consider that you didn't pursue a career in something you did enjoy and could excel in, you might regret it. I got an A grade in Politics A'level without too much effort so I guess I realised I could do well in it, and did the Degree. I got rather bored of straight politics, but really enjoyed the international and strategy stuff.

    My other advice If you are going to keep your options open and do that degree and are capable both in ability and commitment, go for a First, it opens so many doors that 2.1 doesn't, funding for MA's being one of them.
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    @razil I get what you are saying, but still can't bring myself to agree. Those may not be concrete prerequisites, but I doubt you'll find an historian on the Spanish-American War who hadn't/hasn't studied history at university level. I can see where you are coming from with Art, its a creative field, but politics and history involve empirical investigation like most of the humanities - employement is aided tremendously by being educated in the given subject with regard to politics at least. I would have been laughed out of my interview with the RAND corporation if political science was no where to be seen on my C.V, I can assure you of that (an isolated case it may be)
    But sure, i 'geddit'.
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