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Do Managers have to fit their Clubs ?

edited March 2011 in General Charlton
Seeing the successful Return of Darren Ferguson to Peterborough made me ask why it is that many managers do a great job at one Club, but can't repeat it elsewhere. Curbs did a fantastic job for us, didn't survive at West Ham, and despite being mentioned as a potential England Manager hasn't worked since. Aidy Boothroyd did great at Watford but is now available again after being sacked by Coventry. There are many such examples, but why ?

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  • edited March 2011
    The support (or not) from chairmen and fans is crucial.

    I bow to nobody (except maybe ohh ah) in my love for Curbs but he (and Gritty early on) did not have the pressure from the fans that they would now because returning and redeveloping The Valley was paramount. Curbs' ultimate achievements were even greater of course as he progressed the Club with, despite, the conflicting financial pressures of ground development.

    West Ham fans have always had unfounded delusions of grandeur and ours are going the same way. Parky was Curbslike in many ways yet a vociferous section of our support wanted him out from the first day he was appointed. If an unknown Curbs was appointed today he would be berated in the same way. Even an undisputed Charlton legend, Chris Powell, has a 250 plus post thread giving him stick!
  • [cite]Posted By: LenGlover[/cite]
    Even an undisputed Charlton legend, Chris Powell, has a 250 plus post thread giving him stick!

    Be fair, how many of those posts are actually 'giving him stick' ? The majority of posts are either supporting him, or questioning whether he is going to prove to be the right man. With 1pt in 21, its perfectly understandable people are asking those questions.

    Anyway, back to topic.

    There are so many different facets that make up football management, and i genuinely believe there is little difference between a lot of people managing in the game, given they all broadly have the same footbaling knowledge. Over time the good ones will consistently perform, but i think in the short-term, a huge part of it boils down to luck and getting the right breaks.

    So no, i don't think managers have to fit their clubs in any way. In time, if a manager is successful the club with go on to fit him, not the other way round.
  • [cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: LenGlover[/cite]
    Even an undisputed Charlton legend, Chris Powell, has a 250 plus post thread giving him stick!

    Be fair, how many of those posts are actually 'giving him stick' ? The majority of posts are either supporting him, or questioning whether he is going to prove to be the right man. With 1pt in 21, its perfectly understandable people are asking those questions.

    Anyway, back to topic.

    There are so many different facets that make up football management, and i genuinely believe there is little
    difference between a lot of people managing in the game, given they all broadly have the same footbaling knowledge. Over time the good ones will consistently perform, but i think in the short-term, a huge part of it boils down to luck and getting the right breaks.

    So no, i don't think managers have to fit their clubs in any way. In time, if a manager is successful the club with go on to fit him, not the other way round.

    I often think this. Pardew clearly is a good manager, he's not failed elsewhere, but he was awful with us and suddenly became a very poor judge of player. Parky has promoted teams from league 1, Dowie was awful but highly thought of at the time and Powell is a sentimental appointment that isn't going well right now. You wonder if it says more about the cub than it does the qualities of the likes of Pardew,
  • [cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: LenGlover[/cite]
    Even an undisputed Charlton legend, Chris Powell, has a 250 plus post thread giving him stick!

    Be fair, how many of those posts are actually 'giving him stick' ? The majority of posts are either supporting him, or questioning whether he is going to prove to be the right man. With 1pt in 21, its perfectly understandable people are asking those questions.

    Anyway, back to topic.

    There are so many different facets that make up football management, and i genuinely believe there is little difference between a lot of people managing in the game, given they all broadly have the same footbaling knowledge. Over time the good ones will consistently perform, but i think in the short-term, a huge part of it boils down to luck and getting the right breaks.

    So no, i don't think managers have to fit their clubs in any way. In time, if a manager is successful the club with go on to fit him, not the other way round.


    The point I'm making is that after 10 (or is it 11?) games his future is already being called into question. He won his first 4 matches so one could argue that a manager, even one as loved as Powell, gets half a dozen games grace before (some) knives come out.

    To answer Granpa's point one would say in theory Chris Powell is a perfect fit for Charlton yet the evidence of many posters on Charlton Life suggests that it does not matter and he will be judged on 6 games or so whoever he is.
  • Pardew has shown before and since being here that he's a decent manager. Overall his decisions in the transfer market for us were very poor.
  • I think successful managers make the clubs fit them. Peterboro were in some ways easier to fix. They have scored goals for fun all season and their issue has been leaking far too many. So you address that and you win far more than you lose. We have scored reasonably regularly at times but you always think it is a much harder thing for us and this is demonstrated when the goals seem to dry up. Then defensively we start to look very solid and out of the blue make killer mistakes. Much harder to put your finger on and harder to put right.
  • edited March 2011
    A good friend of mine does a lot of work throughout football. He talks about a club's DNA, and how some people just will never work for certain clubs and how some people are a perfect fit. He cites Dalglish at Liverpool as an example of this, and also reckons Powell will work well at Charlton for the same reason.
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