[cite]Posted By: Red_in_SE8[/cite] I think the current senior Charlton coaching/management team would benefit from someone who is more likely to have encountered these problems in the past and has experience of dealing with them. This person would not be responsible for any decisions. They would just be a resource that Powell can seek guidance and advice from.
This.
Everyone new in a senior job requires a best mate, to tell him he's right - and a mentor, who can tell him he's when he's wrong. Dyer is the mate. Who is the mentor? it's not Peacock, whose management experience is limited and decades ago. And it most certainly is not Chapple in a month of Sundays. Perhaps Powell rings up Sven and asks for advice, but he's got his own team to run. Perhaps it could be Dennis Wise - but only if Powell is happy with that.
It has to be Powell's own man, someone he trusts and respects , whom he will listen to , can learn from and doesn't feel threatened by. One of his own former managers would be ideal. But as one of his firmest supporters, I have to say I think he needs such a figure right now.
Reaping the rewards of four years of understanable lack of investment in the team. Not having the money to attract the quality of player good enough for promotion along with having to sell our assets have taken their toll. We are at the foot of a very steep hill and it's going to be a long long climb to the top.
I started this thread last week & it's applicable here.
Obviously, we all prefer the team to play football. I think under Powell we are possibly trying to play more football, but it doesn't seem to be working.
This is possibly because we don't have enough good players who are able to pass the ball to a Charlton player, generally in a forward direction.It's obviously a lot easier to pass sideways and backwards and of course also necessary.
However, playing Tranmere today reminded me of when JOHN BARNES was in charge of them at the start of last season and tried to get them playing football, resulting in them being bottom and him getting the sack. The physio took over and is still in charge. He kept them up and they are presently out of the bottom 4 still.
He reverted to playing less football and their results improved.
For THIS season with the players we have, should we do the same IMO.
[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]Reaping the rewards of four years of understanable lack of investment in the team. Not having the money to attract the quality of player good enough for promotion along with having to sell our assets have taken their toll. We are at the foot of a very steep hill and it's going to be a long long climb to the top.
Yes, nail on the head. We need a manager/coach who is able to improve what we have, by good coaching etc, thereby augmenting any additions to the squad from the limited transfer funds available. CP has been signed for that very role. Time will tell whether he can fulfill it.
so we've chewed the fat and are all agreed that the team were shite under parky but he somehow accumulated a few points? the team are shite under powell but he hasn't accumulated many points?
we're all agree, we'll mostly, that powell should be given the time, to get his own team together because the current crop, are mostly parky's shite? seem to remember this being said, in relation to parky inheriting pardews shite?
so me wonders, if the takeover has had a negative effect on team mentality? instead of the players working their socks off, in the hope of being given a new contract and still being at the club at the start of next season. they've plummeted into mass depression, knowing they're heading onto the footballers scrap heap (southend united) come summer, knowing there's gonna be a massive clear out and charlton playing barcalonaesque football with a new crop messi's, from then on to eternity?%-{>
so me wonders, if the takeover has had a negative effect on team mentality? instead of the players working their socks off, in the hope of being given a new contract and still being at the club at the start of next season. they've plummeted into mass depression, knowing they're heading onto the footballers scrap heap (southend united) come summer, knowing there's gonna be a massive clear out and charlton playing barcalonaesque football with a new crop messi's, from then on to eternity?%-{>
You'd hope they would be more professional than that and play for their own pride as well as the chance of picking up a decent new club in the summer but you could well be right, at least for some of the players.
Even at this level professional footballers are wealthy and have probably been spoiled with their lifestyle. I doubt that many of them (and not just Charlton players) have the same kind of appreciation of professionalism as us old farts on here that have had to work hard for much longer to earn less.
so me wonders, if the takeover has had a negative effect on team mentality? instead of the players working their socks off, in the hope of being given a new contract and still being at the club at the start of next season. they've plummeted into mass depression, knowing they're heading onto the footballers scrap heap (southend united) come summer, knowing there's gonna be a massive clear out and charlton playing barcalonaesque football with a new crop messi's, from then on to eternity?%-{>
You'd hope they would be more professional than that and play for their own pride as well as the chance of picking up a decent new club in the summer but you could well be right, at least for some of the players.
There may be something in this - a friend who claims some inside knowledge told me that the players have been told no contracts will be extended before the summer. Rather than making them think they need to play for a new contract, it seems to have had the opposite effect.
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This.
Everyone new in a senior job requires a best mate, to tell him he's right - and a mentor, who can tell him he's when he's wrong. Dyer is the mate. Who is the mentor? it's not Peacock, whose management experience is limited and decades ago. And it most certainly is not Chapple in a month of Sundays. Perhaps Powell rings up Sven and asks for advice, but he's got his own team to run. Perhaps it could be Dennis Wise - but only if Powell is happy with that.
It has to be Powell's own man, someone he trusts and respects , whom he will listen to , can learn from and doesn't feel threatened by. One of his own former managers would be ideal. But as one of his firmest supporters, I have to say I think he needs such a figure right now.
I know. He's like the barbary apes of Gibraltar or the ravens at the Tower.
Obviously, we all prefer the team to play football. I think under Powell we are possibly trying to play more football, but it doesn't seem to be working.
This is possibly because we don't have enough good players who are able to pass the ball to a Charlton player, generally in a forward direction.It's obviously a lot easier to pass sideways and backwards and of course also necessary.
However, playing Tranmere today reminded me of when JOHN BARNES was in charge of them at the start of last season and tried to get them playing football, resulting in them being bottom and him getting the sack. The physio took over and is still in charge. He kept them up and they are presently out of the bottom 4 still.
He reverted to playing less football and their results improved.
For THIS season with the players we have, should we do the same IMO.
Does this constitute a job application?!
Yes, nail on the head. We need a manager/coach who is able to improve what we have, by good coaching etc, thereby augmenting any additions to the squad from the limited transfer funds available. CP has been signed for that very role. Time will tell whether he can fulfill it.
we're all agree, we'll mostly, that powell should be given the time, to get his own team together because the current crop, are mostly parky's shite? seem to remember this being said, in relation to parky inheriting pardews shite?
so me wonders, if the takeover has had a negative effect on team mentality? instead of the players working their socks off, in the hope of being given a new contract and still being at the club at the start of next season. they've plummeted into mass depression, knowing they're heading onto the footballers scrap heap (southend united) come summer, knowing there's gonna be a massive clear out and charlton playing barcalonaesque football with a new crop messi's, from then on to eternity?%-{>
Lol
You'd hope they would be more professional than that and play for their own pride as well as the chance of picking up a decent new club in the summer but you could well be right, at least for some of the players.
There may be something in this - a friend who claims some inside knowledge told me that the players have been told no contracts will be extended before the summer. Rather than making them think they need to play for a new contract, it seems to have had the opposite effect.