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And we thought Parky was bad !

edited March 2011 in General Charlton
Powels a nice man,but do we think he is rearly what we need?. Its now a case of do we stay with him and make a fresh start next season,or do we feel that even with a new season and a fresh team,it will be no better.
Its strange that Parky was sent packing after one home game,even tho he was keeping us up in the chase and here we are slowly slipping away,a few more bad results and we could be fighting to stay in this league,pity Peacock wasn't taken on as No2..........and to think we thought Wise was a bad choice.
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  • Its very grim... Parky has been underated...and now Powell is being booed every single game... the fans and players slipping further and further apartt and it feels very much like the relegation season from the champ...
  • Parky was underrated and I said so at the time, but ffs we all need a reality check. At what point are we going to come to realise that the players, actually, aren't up to it? Sir Alex couldn't make a silk purse from this sow's ear of a squad - do we really expect any manager to wave a magic wand and undo 5 years of neglect in less than 2 months? And key players like Jackson, Bessone, Anyinsah, Wright-Phillips, are either injured or walking wounded. He's not even had a full deck to deal from.

    Play-offs are a distant dream, unless by some miracle we find some form, but let's not forget the Swindon horror show - I doubt if anyone really believed we'd be anywhere near promotion after that performance despite the position.

    Powell needs to bring his own players in and a pre-season to stamp his own mark on the way we play. He's been trying to play football but, seriously, how many of our players are capable? Parky knew this, which is no doubt why his football this year was so horrible. Judge Powell when he's had some money to spend and has set up his team the way he wants it, not the way Parky had to put it together with string and mostly shit.
  • Never thought he was bad, and thought it was a disgrace he went
  • After 10 games, I haven't seen anything to suggest Powell will get it right next season.

    A good manager should be able to get results with this team. I remember people saying Powell was a lucky manager in his 4 wins and it's better to be that than a good manager. A good manager would work with what he's got and not surrender or go down without a fight and 1 point between Exeter/Carlisle/Hartlepool/Notts and MK does absolutely nothing to make me think we're going to do any better next season.

    He's out of his depth unfortunately. Hope I'm proved wrong and he turns it around but we've already seen the same mistakes come through game after game
  • Funny. Last night proved for me that Parky was bad. That was Parky's team out there and they just arent good enough. I dont think CP had any idea what a shambles he had inherited.
  • What is the point of threads about Parky, and what will they achieve ?
  • But the fact is we have gone BACKWARDS under Powell. Dont get me wrong, the guy is a legend for what he has done as a player (and who knows, may turn out that way as a manager). But he shouldnt be treated any differently to Parky or any other manager when things are going wrong.

    Good managers can turn a team around even when things are not going well and it is not their team. God, even Pardew nearly kept us up when he inherited Dowies / Reeds mess.
  • It wont achieve anything Granpa.

    But I got tired of reading rubbish about Parky win lose or draw for 18 months and that didnt achieve anything either.

    As I said on January 4th - Be Careful What You Wish For
  • Six games now without a win. Charlton's worst run in the league since they went 7 games winless two seasons ago. That run was ended with a win away at Southampton, April 2009.

    Last season our worst run in the league was 5 games without a win around Jan/Feb time.
  • edited March 2011
    [cite]Posted By: Southendaddick[/cite]It wont achieve anything Granpa.

    But I got tired of reading rubbish about Parky win lose or draw for 18 months and that didnt achieve anything either.

    So true. And plenty of those that baited Parky all through his time were quick to point out how everything had changed under Powell after his winning start and Insufferable Addick even went as far as to say that the first two wins "justified his appointment".

    Now the mantra is "next season". The double standards being displayed regarding the two managers is amazing.

    Regardless we need to move on. Parky has left. He will get another job and I really hope he does well. Ditto Kins and Breaker.

    New managers have to have time but they also have to work with the players and situation they find their new Clubs in. More often than not that is a bad situation as managers usually get sacked when they are facing relegation. Powell took over a very small and inconsistent squad but one that was 5th, had very recently been 2nd and had won their boss the manager of the month award.

    Powell's job was, and still is, to improve that side with signings and better coaching and tactics. So far he has not done so. Time will tell if he can.

    For the very little it is worth I still want to give him the time to show he can do that.
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  • somethings got to change this cant carry on, i love powell but i dont think he knows what hes doing half the time. The last two home games ive sat there and tried to work out what his tactics actually are, I think he sends them out in hope that there win
  • I feel sorry for Chris Powell as his legend status is being tarnished with every defeat. He should never have been given the job. The new owners simply wanted to win favour with the supporters and it's backfired on them and destroyed Chris Powell's reputation too.
  • [cite]Posted By: mascot88[/cite]Its very grim... Parky has been underated...and now Powell is being booed every single game... the fans and players slipping further and further apartt and it feels very much like the relegation season from the champ...
    Funny, the manager that season had been connected with the club all year, but is now judged underated.

    These threads are not only repetitive they're magnets for nonsense.
  • The cynic in me thinks we'll see Dennis Wise appointed in a role soon too scout for players, while Powell focuses on the first team and he needs time to concentrate solely on that.
  • It does appear that Powell is out of his depth. But he'll be given the rest of the season and some of next to 'get it right'
  • edited March 2011
    [cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Southendaddick[/cite]It wont achieve anything Granpa.

    But I got tired of reading rubbish about Parky win lose or draw for 18 months and that didnt achieve anything either.
    So true. And plenty of those that baited Parky all through his time were quick to point out how everything had changed under Powell after his winning start and Insufferable Addick even went as far as to say that the first two wins "justified his appointment".

    Now the mantra is "next season". The double standards being displayed regarding the two managers is amazing.

    Regardless we need to move on. Parky has left. He will get another job and I really hope he does well. Ditto Kins and Breaker.

    New managers have to have time but they also have to work with the players and situation they find their new Clubs in. More often than not that is a bad situation as managers usually get sacked when they are facing relegation. Powell took over a very small and inconsistent squad but one that was 5th, had very recently been 2nd and had won their boss the manager of the month award.

    Powell's job was, and still is, to improve that side with signings and better coaching and tactics. So far he has not done so. Time will tell if he can.

    For the very little it is worth I still want to give him the time to show he can do that.

    Agree with both these posts. I want CP to succeed, but I think he may need help in the current situation. I always believed that he needed an experienced right hand man who had knowledge of this league. Keithy was not that man, Lennie, was. Lennie is no longer available (Dead to some on here). The board need to fiond someone to work alongside him and help guide him and they need to do it quickly.
  • Was never a parky fan and am glad he left was asking for no charlton legend nonsense and go search for a wanted proven manager but the board wanted to please now his here its up to him to put a stamp on this lot . Just cant keep losing this season that aint on.
  • Give Powell the tools and he'll finish the job, trouble is, this team are a bunch of tools...

    Powell's got no chance with this lot...
  • Really? why would this be..
  • Many would argue that this, on paper, is one of the strongest, most experienced squads in the league.
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  • [cite]Posted By: DJ Leaburn[/cite]Many would argue that this, on paper, is one of the strongest, most experienced squads in the league.

    First 11s maybe, squads no. Very little strength in depth anywhere, and even the first 11 is much weaker than it was last year. Richardson was much better than Francis, Bailey was better than Racon, Sodje better than Docherty, Burton has been badly missed, as has Lloyd Sam. Bit part players like Matt Spring would walk into this season's side ahead of the likes of McCormack. If we had gone back up at the end of last season, the bulk of that side would have been capable of competing in the Championship, which would certainly not be the case if we went up this season.

    Parkinson put together a side with zero resources which had the potential to get us promoted, albeit playing uninspiring football in the process. Powell clearly wants to play a more attractive brand of football and, amidst the gloom of recent weeks, I have seen the odd impressive passage of play and evidence of what they've been working on in training. Unfortunately, I don't think this side has the talent required to play that way. However, I would like to think that when the summer comes, sufficient investment will be forthcoming to put together a side that can do that. That will be the time to judge Powell, and the board for that matter. Just hope that he gets a chance to put his own side together, and that people don't turn on him too much between now and the end of the season.
  • [cite]Posted By: McLovin[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: mascot88[/cite]Its very grim... Parky has been underated...and now Powell is being booed every single game... the fans and players slipping further and further apartt and it feels very much like the relegation season from the champ...
    Funny, the managerthatseason had been connected with the club all year, but is now judged underated.

    These threads are not only repetitive they're magnets for nonsense.

    I thought he did a good job turning it round to take a team devoid of confidence and getting us into the playoffs... that team was screwed to the core in the champs... imho..
  • We can go over the rights and wrongs, and ultimately Parky is gone now and not coming back. But I’m pretty sure he was sacked because it looked like he wasn’t going to get us into the automatic spots. Two months later we almost certainly wont make the playoffs. That’s some free fall.
  • [cite]Posted By: blackheathaddick[/cite]Funny. Last night proved for me that Parky was bad. That was Parky's team out there and they just arent good enough. I dont think CP had any idea what a shambles he had inherited.

    All depends what spin you put on it? It could be that it shows what a good Manager he is as he got us in an automatic promotion position and then left us in a play off position. We all have agendas and we can manipulate things to suit those agendas.Just ask Nick Clegg and David Cameron.
  • Can we drop the Parky nonsense
  • Maybe a final word on the "P" subject, Threadkiller .....

    Worth remembering the words of an old song.." You don't know what you've got 'til it's gone " ?

    Could be applied to Curbs & Parky ....Let's not clamour for the same mistake to be made again.
  • edited March 2011
    I tend to think the outcome would have been the same regardless of whether Parky or Chris was the manager. We have too many players who are not good enough and what you are seeing now was on display in the Walsall, Colchester, Brighton and Swindon games in December/January.

    Appointing Chris Powell was a gamble, but would anyone else have got more out of these players? I doubt it.

    The owners tried to move it on sooner rather than later, because they didn't believe Parky would do it. That looks to have backfired for now, but in my opinion he was always going to be sacked because he was always going to fail.
  • [cite]Posted By: se9addick[/cite]We can go over the rights and wrongs, and ultimately Parky is gone now and not coming back. But I’m pretty sure he was sacked because it looked like he wasn’t going to get us into the automatic spots. Two months later we almost certainly wont make the playoffs. That’s some free fall.

    More to do with the fact that he wasn't trusted to spend money wisely, IMO.
  • [cite]Posted By: MrLargo[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: DJ Leaburn[/cite]Many would argue that this, on paper, is one of the strongest, most experienced squads in the league.

    First 11s maybe, squads no. Very little strength in depth anywhere, and even the first 11 is much weaker than it was last year. Richardson was much better than Francis, Bailey was better than Racon, Sodje better than Docherty, Burton has been badly missed, as has Lloyd Sam. Bit part players like Matt Spring would walk into this season's side ahead of the likes of McCormack. If we had gone back up at the end of last season, the bulk of that side would have been capable of competing in the Championship, which would certainly not be the case if we went up this season.

    Parkinson put together a side with zero resources which had the potential to get us promoted, albeit playing uninspiring football in the process. Powell clearly wants to play a more attractive brand of football and, amidst the gloom of recent weeks, I have seen the odd impressive passage of play and evidence of what they've been working on in training. Unfortunately, I don't think this side has the talent required to play that way. However, I would like to think that when the summer comes, sufficient investment will be forthcoming to put together a side that can do that. That will be the time to judge Powell, and the board for that matter. Just hope that he gets a chance to put his own side together, and that people don't turn on him too much between now and the end of the season.

    Great post Mr Largo, sums things up for me.
  • [cite]Posted By: Airman Brown[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: se9addick[/cite]We can go over the rights and wrongs, and ultimately Parky is gone now and not coming back. But I’m pretty sure he was sacked because it looked like he wasn’t going to get us into the automatic spots. Two months later we almost certainly wont make the playoffs. That’s some free fall.

    More to do with the fact that he wasn't trusted to spend money wisely, IMO.

    Possibly - but that wasn’t exactly backed up with Powell being given bucketloads to spend in January/big loan signings since ? He’s brought in Bessone (loan) BWP (I think even Parkinson could have managed that one) and the lad from Fulham (loan). If the reason was that Parkinson wasn’t trusted financially it would have made more sense to give him to the summer to prove himself and then get rid when managers are typically given their budget for the year. Either way we can argue until the cows come home about why Parkinson was sacked, but I guess the fact is that he has been, for better or worse.
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