So we going are down the loan route again, have we forgotten how badly this went under Pards, and so far not selected by the guy who needs to run the team. Parky had learnt the lessons of his predecessors mistakes and limited this, we have a better core team too I guess, bit concerning though?
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If the loans are better than what we have and prove that, i don't have a problem with them. its when they come to us just to get fit and don't put any effort in that i have a problem. I do like the loans with views to permanent thing. we get to try them out for the season and the player has something to play for as well.
Anyway, because of that we've had a downer on loanees ever since. However, since then the loanees have been reasonably good (Reid -last season, Jackson - last season til he got injured, and Fry), and this season he only got short term loanees as emergency cover. So as long as CP doesn't fall into to the trap of getting one month loanees and picks up decent players that know they are here til the end, he will hopefully do alright.
For example, Ecclestone looks good. Much like Jerome Thomas did in his first 6 months.
Yes it did happened, although can't for the life of me remember the game it happen.
Nobody needs reminding that we have only got 35 pts from the first 23 games, so we need a far better second half of the season under Powell than we had first half under Parkinson. I think that shows us the tough task Powell faces, and why he may need another year in div three next season.
But that's by the by. Whether or not we achieve promtion this season will determine the strategy of signings in the summer. Will we be seeking players for another season in div three? Or players we hope can do a Norwich or a Leeds in the championship?
They might very well be different players for those two tasks, so well-chosen loans for the next 23 games which keep our options open is not such a bad idea, in my opinion.
Agree with all of this.
Some players are dedicated, hardworking and committed. Some are not.
Like Parky said, whats the difference between a player on loan and one whose contract runs out at the end of the season?
Does this mean you would rather Semedo and Racon weren't in the team?
Reiddy was brilliant last season, what has he done this season?
Alex Song, proof that loans, when done properly, work. He's now one of the first names on Wenger's teamsheet
True, towards the end of last season....... but you are just looking at the bare statistics, ignoring the the underlying reasons.
Sodje, Mooney and Reid were long term loans finishing at the end of the season.
Because they were all long term, evidently planned signings to strengthen the squad in the same way as if they had been permanent signings.
But the others were brought in late to cover injuries:
With Youga and Basey both out for the remainder of the season, Jackson was brought in - then got injured himself, so Borrowdale was borrowed initially for a month and then extended.
Burton hadn't been properly fit for much of the season, but was now missing games, so Forster joined in March to augment the front line; Fry came on loan to cover the CB and LB positions .......because with the transfer deadline passing, the club would not have been able to sign players for the remaining 2 months of the season.
Statistics often do not tell the story; Parky was being prudent there, surely?
Under Pardew and Parkinson, we undenibaly became over-reliant on the loan system (and I say that as someone who has just argued above that loans between now and May make perfect sense).
In 2008/9 we had seven at one point I recall. Racking my brains to remember the names, but I think Bouazza,Burton, Cranie, Gillespie, McEveley, Primus and Waghorn were all here at the same time. Some of them went back and more came in (Murty among them) - and I think we were still over quota.
Madz made a statement which referred to Parky having 6 loan players at the same time; the only time that happened under Parky's control was at the end of last season ...... to which I answered specifically.
Yep - let's wait and see, I suspect that sadly a small minority of fans (I don't mean Razil BTW) are itching to find reasons to criticize the new manager !
But that's simply not true, Oggy Red. As I said, Parkinson had not six but seven loans during the 2008/9 season. He might have inherited some of them like Bouazza. Other he brought in. So why claim ''the only time that happened under Parky's control was at the end of last season'' ?
To go back to the original point of the thread. Loans between now and May make perfect sense for Charlton as we don't know which division we will be in next season, and therefore what kind of players we want on a longer-term basis beyond May.
So frankly some may not like loanees but we're going to have to get used to them.
Sorry but that is not undeniable, it is actually your opinion.
I personally do not believe it is possible to be 'over-reliant' on the loan system. We have to get the best players, at the price we can pay, for the length of time we need them.
If this is via a loan then so be it.
Again someone pointed out we had too many at one point and therefore had to not play one. I ask again what is the difference between having a player on loan that you do not play and having a player whose contract ends in a few months time, whom you do not play?
'Undeniably' that the answer is Nothing.
As has been said above and I and a few others were saying at the time nothing wrong with loans per se. It all depends on the quality and commitment of those loans.
Blackpool went up with 5 or 6 regular loanees in their side.
as it is we don't know if CP going to use loans or perm signings or even if he is going to add players to the squad at all. Two or three loans and/or signings seem likely but we don't know.
I'll send you a whisper with the names
But in present circumstances, loans like Eccleston make perfect sense and one would hope Fry's loan can also be extended beyond next month to the end of the season, unless Sir Chris has his eye on someone better. We also have Martin. That means there is still room for two more loan signings. Any more than five, though, would be pointless.
At the moment, flexibility is the key, as McLovin says. If Powell can identify and sign players that are not only available to us in div three but are also going to be good enough to challenge at the top of the championship next season, as Norwich and Leeds are currently doing, so much the better. But I thought we were being warned not to expect or demand too much of him !