Surely it is an issue if there is a disproportional number of white managers in the game to the number of black players? I'm not saying that more managers need to be hired just to balance the numbers but there is a feeling that some are just not given the chance. For me it should only depend on how good you are. We seem to forget in this country how recent it was that we had prejudice against other ethnic backgrounds and that was hugely evident within football. Over time this slowly disappeared and the number of non-white players in the game increased. Hopefully over time the same will happen to those managing
[quote][cite]Posted By: leftbehind[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: WSS[/cite][quote aria-level=0 aria-posinset=0 aria-setsize=0][cite aria-level=0 aria-posinset=0 aria-setsize=0]Posted By: leftbehind[/cite]Who Cares what colour anyone is why a thread?[/quote] Chris Powell does![/quote]
Bet thats the last thing on his mind
Cant see him running round so ima black manager whoop whoop
Come on people forget the colour his a Human and our manager end off[/quote]
Go and watch his first interview on CAFC Player, he talks very directly about the race issue and how proud he Is to be one of the first black managers to land a really prized job.
He understands the significance of this appointment very well in terms of what it might mean for other black managers in the future.
As much as you might wish to you can't wish the race issue away, this really is a big deal.
Could or would Chris Powell have been appointed as Charlton manager twenty years ago? No chance.
It matters very much to Chrissy, he has spent quite a bit of his time trying to advance the progression of black managers and he is very much aware that he is now a role model. We can afford to 'forget' his colour as we are mainly white. For people born 'the wrong side' of the spectum, perspectives are justifiably very different. Chrissy wanted to be manager of Charlton and he also wants to be a role model for black players. I'm very happy to support him on both counts.
[quote][cite]Posted By: stilladdicted[/cite]It matters very much to Chrissy, he has spent quite a bit of his time trying to advance the progression of black managers and he is very much aware that he is now a role model. We can afford to 'forget' his colour as we are mainly white. For people born 'the wrong side' of the spectum, perspectives are justifiably very different. Chrissy wanted to be manager of Charlton and he also wants to be a role model for black players. I'm very happy to support him on both counts.[/quote]
Black footballers were greeted with derision, attack and abuse BY THE FANS OF THEIR OWN CLUBS when they began to play in this country (and other European countries). There is a section of society that continues to see black people as threatening some ridiculous mythical idea of britishness. I am not born and bred Charlton, (and god help me, living in Forest Hill as I was when I began attending the Valley I could have gone to two other teams who shall remain nameless, but that was never gonna happen) but I am proud to support a club that I believe has less than it's share of racist fans and that has put real resources into challenging racism in the community and football in particular, and I am proud that we have got CP as a manager because I think he will be a good new manager, because he is a Charlton legend and ALSO because it shows that we are sticking two fingers up at racist idiots. If we bought into the bullshit we would not have the opportunity of seeing this talented, intelligent, determined new force take us back to where we belong.
Who bloody cares what colour someones skin is? If they are a good manager or have the potential to be a good manager then they should get the jobs....
To be honest, I dont think it is actually an issue and in fact pressing black players to becomoe managers probably makes it in fact worse
(this situation is very similar to MP's...very liberal/left people think their should be a higher proportion of black/female/*insert other minority here* MPs in the house of commons... however, I think it should be purely based on ability rather than getting prerferntial treatment due to colour/gender etc... and this applies to football managers as well
When I first starting watching Charlton in 1982/83 we went for ages without a single black player in the team, let alone having a black manager. After we sold Paul Elliott and Phil Walker packed up, would I be right in thinking the next black players to play for us were Reuben Agboola and then Garth Crooks in 86/87? If so, that's a fair old gap isn't it?
[cite]Posted By: Simonsen[/cite]When I first starting watching Charlton in 1982/83 we went for ages without a single black player in the team, let alone having a black manager. After we sold Paul Elliott and Phil Walker packed up, would I be right in thinking the next black players to play for us were Reuben Agboola and then Garth Crooks in 86/87? If so, that's a fair old gap isn't it?
Leaburn and Micky Bennett about the same time. Paul Williams a season or two later.
But how many of us were guilty of racist chanting in the 80s?
Not me but then I'm british asian, where are the asian players and managers thats what I want to know.
On a serious note, someone like Powell is a great role model for young black kids not just the footballing community
I'd be interested in your thoughts on this Kap.
Yorkshire has had a large Asian population for many years yet it took a long time for Asian players to break into the Yorkshire county cricket side and, as we know, cricket is almost a religion to many Asians.
The Yorkshire County Cricket Club was often accused of racism as Asian players didn't come through yet often British Asians preferred to run their own club cricket leagues rather than integrate into the Yorkshire club league structure which is arguably second to none an certainly longer established than most.
In short what I am really asking, and this point can be applied to black football players and supporters too, is whether the seeming lack of integration is down to racism or choice?
I don't profess to know the answer but I suspect that more black football managers will come through in the next 10-20 years as present day players retire.
But how many of us were guilty of racist chanting in the 80s?
Not me either! In fact it was one of the things that put me off going to away games in the eighties as it meant you could be sitting/standing amongst the nazi/racist section of the away following that seemed to plague every club in those days.
But how many of us were guilty of racist chanting in the 80s?
The Yorkshire County Cricket Club was often accused of racism as Asian players didn't come through yet often British Asians preferred to run their own club cricket leagues rather than integrate into the Yorkshire club league structure which is arguably second to none an certainly longer established than most.
In short what I am really asking, and this point can be applied to black football players and supporters too, is whether the seeming lack of integration is down to racism or choice?
I don't profess to know the answer but I suspect that more black football managers will come through in the next 10-20 years as present day players retire.
Wow! what a subject. I can't talk fort he Afro Caribbean community and I think their are clear differences between the two communities.
I think there are a number of factors for the lack of Indian sub continent footballers.
A lot of the early immigrants came from middle class backgrounds and they did not encourage their children into sport, other than a recreational activity. My own parents were not interested in football at all and of their three children, I the youngest was the only one that had any interest in the game .. and then I started supporting Charlton.
Of course if there was a sport then it was cricket and even now if you go around the parks in summer (no I am not a paedophile) you will see more asian kids playing cricket than anglo saxon. So there is less of an aspiration to play football and role models are not Beckham but Tendulkar.
I'm not sure about he Yorkshire Cricket league, my theory is that is is a bit of everything. Remember in Yorkshire unless you were born in Yorkshire you were not able to play there, so for asians in Yorkshire there would have been no affinity with the cricket team. There was an element of racism which lead to asians protecting themselves by excluding themselves and setting their own leagues. So it was racism, choice, a bit of reverse racism and community self protection.
There will be asian footballers in English football, its just taking time in the same way that once Clyde Best was holding the banner for black footballers and now the only surprise is when a team fields an all anglo saxon team, such as Hartlepool (Ithink) last season.
Having said that my granmother was English and any one that knows me will tell you that i am a malteser, who is on the periphery of the asian community.
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Chris Powell does![/quote]
Bet thats the last thing on his mind
Cant see him running round so ima black manager whoop whoop
Come on people forget the colour his a Human and our manager end off
Chris Powell does![/quote]
Bet thats the last thing on his mind
Cant see him running round so ima black manager whoop whoop
Come on people forget the colour his a Human and our manager end off[/quote]
Go and watch his first interview on CAFC Player, he talks very directly about the race issue and how proud he Is to be one of the first black managers to land a really prized job.
He understands the significance of this appointment very well in terms of what it might mean for other black managers in the future.
As much as you might wish to you can't wish the race issue away, this really is a big deal.
Could or would Chris Powell have been appointed as Charlton manager twenty years ago? No chance.
You just said it far better than I was able to!
- Mananged Chesham United
To be honest, I dont think it is actually an issue and in fact pressing black players to becomoe managers probably makes it in fact worse
(this situation is very similar to MP's...very liberal/left people think their should be a higher proportion of black/female/*insert other minority here* MPs in the house of commons... however, I think it should be purely based on ability rather than getting prerferntial treatment due to colour/gender etc... and this applies to football managers as well
But how many of us were guilty of racist chanting in the 80s?
Not me but then I'm british asian, where are the asian players and managers thats what I want to know.
On a serious note, someone like Powell is a great role model for young black kids not just the footballing community
Leaburn and Micky Bennett about the same time. Paul Williams a season or two later.
I'd be interested in your thoughts on this Kap.
Yorkshire has had a large Asian population for many years yet it took a long time for Asian players to break into the Yorkshire county cricket side and, as we know, cricket is almost a religion to many Asians.
The Yorkshire County Cricket Club was often accused of racism as Asian players didn't come through yet often British Asians preferred to run their own club cricket leagues rather than integrate into the Yorkshire club league structure which is arguably second to none an certainly longer established than most.
In short what I am really asking, and this point can be applied to black football players and supporters too, is whether the seeming lack of integration is down to racism or choice?
I don't profess to know the answer but I suspect that more black football managers will come through in the next 10-20 years as present day players retire.
Not me either! In fact it was one of the things that put me off going to away games in the eighties as it meant you could be sitting/standing amongst the nazi/racist section of the away following that seemed to plague every club in those days.