Kinsella

DRF

As much as the idea of Chrissy coming back to the Valley excites me it does raise one question for me.

If we wanted a manager Charlton fans love, who doesn't have much experience, then why did they sack Kins?
He has more experience than Chrissy and is as much a 'Charlton man' as he is.
I know some may think he is tainted by the old regime but at the very least they could have kept him on as Caretaker when the others went and he could have had a couple of games as the top man.
Anyone?

razil

I'd have taken Kins or Powell before the takeover, however now both would seem and odd choice given the stated aims etc.

cfgs

I heard a rumour he walked over Parky's treatment but that is probably tosh though

leftbehind

[quote][cite]Posted By: cfgs[/cite]I heard a rumour he walked over Parky's treatment but that is probably tosh though[/quote]

it might not be and i would not blame him

Madz

I don't think the sackings of Parkinson, Breacker and Kinsella were a particular knock on Kinsella. I think the board wanted a complete overhaul and for last few years there have been a roll over of the same staff

Dowie, Reed, Robson
Reed, Robson
Pardew, Robson (i think he stayed for a bit with Parkinson then left)
Pardew, Parkinson, Kinsella
Parkinson, Kinsella
Parkinson, Breacker, Kinsella

I think this is pretty accurate, could be slightly wrong, but you get the point. I agree with the board that a completely new regime is required and unfortunately Kinsella, whether justified or not, was a casualty of this overhaul. I don't hold Kinsella responsible for the way the team has performed some of the time as i think thats down to Parkinson and Breacker tactics and they would have final say. But all were directly involved in the same management team so unfortunately he had to go as well.

Its a shame because i like Kinsella and have nothing bad to say about him.

Richard J

I believe that Kinsella still has his family home in the West Midlands from his Villa / West Brom / Walsall days , so he never moved south again ( understandably with a young family probably with kids at school ) . Before Parky was sacked I speculated whether Kins may have a punt at the Walsall job I wonder whether letting him go might enable him to have a clear run at that .

McLovin

Maybe they interviewed Powell and genuinely thought that he had a spark that made him ideal to take us forward, rather than appointed him because of his past associations? Maybe they didn't see Kins as having that same skill set - after all the likes of Murray and Varney will have had considerable experience of him over the years? Maybe they just wanted to clear out the old staff so they weren't looking for a new manager with a ready-made backroom staff in place?

It's another thing we'll probably never know. But as has been said, he lives in the midlands, so it may well just be that it suits him better to look for something closer to home.

LargeAddick

Just as Parky should have gone with Pardew so should have Kinsella and Breacker with Parky. A clean sweep enabling the new man to bring in his own people. Like it or not Parky was tainted by his Pardew association and Kinsella would have been likewise if he had stayed. A said hope he gets th Walsall gig.

shirty5

Clean slate was the way to go, once they got rid of Parkinson. Sorry for Kinsella, but here's hoping he has a chance for the Walsall job.

DRF

But Powell wont exacly have 'his own people' already in place so that's another punt we would have to take.

eaststandmike

[cite]Posted By: shirty5[/cite]Clean slate was the way to go, once they got rid of Parkinson. Sorry for Kinsella, but here's hoping he has a chance for the Walsall job.

What he said

tangoflash

[cite]Posted By: DRF[/cite]But Powell wont exacly have 'his own people' already in place so that's another punt we would have to take.

But at least he can have a say on who he has around him. At least then he'll know he has people around him he can trust and who are on the same wavelength as him. One direction, one goal. It's quite common practice when a manager gets sacked to clear out his senior staff to allow the new man to bring in his own people and the last thing he needs is backroom staff that hold grudges coz their mate got the sack.

Bournemouth Addick

We had the clean sweep that was long overdue and regretably Kins was a casualty of this. If I know Kins I suspect he would have been as upset at the way the team were performing and set up as much as the rest of us but just wasn't able, for whatever reason, to do much about it. Appointing Mark would just have been perpetuating the culture of underperformance as pointed out by Madz above.

Kins is, and always will be, a Charlton legend who never gave less than 100% and I for one hope that we see him back at the club in some roll in the future.

tangoflash

[cite]Posted By: Bournemouth Addick[/cite]
Kins is, and always will be, a Charlton legend who never gave less than 100% and I for one hope that we see him back at the club in some roll in the future.

"the new spicey zinger Kinsella roll, availiable at all kiosks"

No.1 in South London

I loved Kinsella as a player, admire him as a person, but in the all the time he was involved within the management of the team, I was disappointed that he was unable (not sure there is any blame here, just what I thought might happen) to transfer or instill much of his character / style of play, into members of the squad, especially the midfield players. Mark Kinsella the player could put his foot in when necessary, play a bit plus create in the forward third of the pitch and most of all be a goal threat from midfield. The midfield players in general, during his time as coach have all seemed to lack the desire to play the "Kinsella way" - but I'm not sure why ?

DRAddick

[cite]Posted By: No.1 in South London[/cite]I loved Kinsella as a player, admire him as a person, but in the all the time he was involved within the management of the team, I was disappointed that he was unable (not sure there is any blame here, just what I thought might happen) to transfer or instill much of his character / style of play, into members of the squad, especially the midfield players. Mark Kinsella the player could put his foot in when necessary, play a bit plus create in the forward third of the pitch and most of all be a goal threat from midfield. The midfield players in general, during his time as coach have all seemed to lack the desire to play the "Kinsella way" - but I'm not sure why ?

Because he was a better player than they are.

Dan E

Powell could bring Kins back as a coach. You never know. Either way Kins will be back one day.

Has anyone suggested Lennie Lawrence as Director of Football?

DRF

[cite]Posted By: tangoflash[/cite]

[cite]Posted By: DRF[/cite]But Powell wont exacly have 'his own people' already in place so that's another punt we would have to take.

But at least he can have a say on who he has around him. At least then he'll know he has people around him he can trust and who are on the same wavelength as him. One direction, one goal. It's quite common practice when a manager gets sacked to clear out his senior staff to allow the new man to bring in his own people and the last thing he needs is backroom staff that hold grudges coz their mate got the sack.

can't believe Parky and Kins are better mates than Powell and Kins.

I agree it is common, but usually only once the new manager has asked to bring a team with him.

Curb_It

Bet Kins is absolutely sickened not to be able to be working with CP.

No.1 in South London

[cite]Posted By: DRAddick[/cite]

[cite]Posted By: No.1 in South London[/cite]I loved Kinsella as a player, admire him as a person, but in the all the time he was involved within the management of the team, I was disappointed that he was unable (not sure there is any blame here, just what I thought might happen) to transfer or instill much of his character / style of play, into members of the squad, especially the midfield players. Mark Kinsella the player could put his foot in when necessary, play a bit plus create in the forward third of the pitch and most of all be a goal threat from midfield. The midfield players in general, during his time as coach have all seemedto lack the desire to play the "Kinsella way" - but I'm not sure why?

Because he was a better player than they are.

Exactly that, but only that.
Just because he was a better player, it doesn't necessarily transcend into him becoming a good coach.