The board do not need to rush into appointing anyone. Palarse did, and i hope it shows at the end of the season. AND ..How is appointing a caretaker manager ever going to show any ambition of staying up?
correct decision in my book and if nothing else this 'interview period' seems to indicate that the new owners have been pretty straight in what they said about backing parky but then acted decisively when things got even worse. i think we'll have a manager by saturday.
No. Its no more of a massive game than any other. As soon as the Board decided to sack Parky they knew that there was a risk that our season would be worse than the one it might have been. Unfortunately you can't run two parallel seasons to see which will be the better outcome.
I am encouraged by their decisiveness. It suggests to me that there is money because I firmly believe that Parky would never have survived this far had RM & Co had any financial manoeuvrability over the past couple of seasons.
We need to get the right manager. That is never guaranteed but a measured recruitment process is the better way in my humble opinion.
Let us not forget the folly of past decisions:
After Curbs left, to chase after the wrong guy - Billy Davies who turned us down and then to jump straight to Dowie and his f'cking Powerpoint presentation and his stripey Nigel brother.
Bringing in Sir Les but not calling him a caretaker.
Hiring the recently sacked and only real show in town - Pardew and then having to pay him off by selling players we badly needed to help stave off relegation.
Bringing in Parky as acting manager - then saying his appointment would be judged on results and giving him the permanent job despite results that were the worst ever in the clubs history.
Those were all flawed decisions, yes some with the benefit of hindsight.
So for me, taking time to get the right guy is preferable to leaping for the first "ego" you can get to or going for the default option like Palarse have just done.
Sheff Wed remind me of us in many ways. Big club for this league but can't seem to get things together, can see them being in this league next season as well.
I would disagree about it being no more massive a game than any other.
I looked at the table tonight and thought , Sheet, we could be out of the Play offs and 9 points behind automatic promotion, for that reason only I think it is massive whoever is/was in charge.
Looking at the table tonight, I have to agree it is pretty big. If we lose and three or four of the teams immediately below us win,we could be mid-table by 5pm on Sat, in 10th place and nine points off automatic promotion.
We have to concetrate on what we do, of course, rather than looking at other results - some of which will go for us and some against. But that's why we have to win, just to stay in touch with the leaders. There are signs that the top four could be on the verge of opening up a bit of a daylight from the chasing pack, and we really have to hang on in there, if we are eventually to triumph come May.
[cite]Posted By: incorruptible addick[/cite]Looking at the table tonight, I have to agree it is pretty big. If we lose and three or four of the teams immediately below us win,we could be mid-table by 5pm on Sat, in 10th place and nine points off automatic promotion.
We have to concetrate on what we do, of course, rather than looking at other results - some of which will go for us and some against. But that's why we have to win, just to stay in touch with the leaders. There are signs that the top four could be on the verge of opening up a bit of a daylight from the chasing pack, and we really have to hang on in there, if we are eventually to triumph come May.
True, but this is a long, long season and we are not even halfway through the season yet. There is a long way to go and with a four or five game winning streak you can go from mid-table back to the verge of the automatic spots.
Excellent entry by Bingaddick. Surely Keith and Damian proved in a very short time that you can get this squad playing passing football, I don't remember one big punt forward on Sunday. Yes of course we have to strengthen the squad this month to make promotion possible, but I'm certain that even as we speak Mr. Wise will be discussing our options with the new Board. This is a real learning curve for those of us like myself who lack patience, but whether we like it or not the priority is to make correct decisions, not just quick ones.
I'm pretty certain at the start of the season (when we had no players) that Murray stated he would provide a side capable of challenging for the playoffs. Which is just about where we are. It's admirable that the new owners want to get out of this league as soon as possible but I can't see us turning things around that quickly now that other teams are finding form and we are at best in a period of transition. We should pick the best manager for us long term. Even if that takes longer to find the right man.
It's a huge game and I hope the players are focused on it and not as distracted by the furore surrounding the new manager as the fans clearly are.
Defeat and we could be mid-table. Three points and we're right back on the heels of the automatic spots.
With Ayinsah (hopefully!) fit again I'm confident we can get a point at least. Without him I'd be decidedly pessimistic.
If Semedo and Racon only play half as well as they did on Sunday we'll be okay in midfield and if Reid can look as sharp as he did when he came on we should be looking like a decent side again.
Big game yes but it's still just one game. We beat West Ham 4-0 in 06/07, but in the end they stayed up.
Sheff Wed fans seem to have a similar opinion of their manager as ours generally did about Parky. Unconvincing performances, feel they should have a few more points, expect promotion. Definitely a game we can win with or without a new manager.
I'd rather wait another week and get the right manager.
[cite]Posted By: incorruptible addick[/cite]Looking at the table tonight, I have to agree it is pretty big. If we lose and three or four of the teams immediately below us win,we could be mid-table by 5pm on Sat, in 10th place and nine points off automatic promotion.
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So maybe parky hasn't left us in the great position that his lovers harp on about .....
And maybe the new manager shouldn't be expected to provide promotion straight away...... Just like parky wasn't expected to keep us up and got less out of that squad (that he had already worked with for some time) than even pardew did
Imo the new manager should get till the end of next season to provide us with promotion but obviously all depends on the invisible money provided by the invisible owners
[cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]I'd rather wait another week and get the right manager.
I would definitely agree with that.
Assuming its so, will be interesting to see what kind of performance KP and Matthews can get out of the team at Hillsborough.
I'm with those who voiced the slightly unpopular opinion that we would have seen a similar performance at WHL with Parky still in charge - Ayinsah back and Semedo and Racon looking to impress potential admirers
Parky's problem was he couldn't motivate the team to see off the likes of Walsall and Carlise at home - the key is to find a new manager who can
[cite]Posted By: incorruptible addick[/cite]Looking at the table tonight, I have to agree it is pretty big. If we lose and three or four of the teams immediately below us win,we could be mid-table by 5pm on Sat, in 10th place and nine points off automatic promotion.
True, Nigel.
But on that basis, if we don't win another match all season, we could be relegated.
[cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite][ if we don't win another match all season, we could be relegated.
Blimey, Oggy. I hope that is not a prediction!
My point was rather a different one - not that there are 24 teams and they can still all make promotion or relegation. But that there are about a dozen teams who still have a realistic ambition of ending in the top six.
I also said : '''We have to concetrate on what we do, of course, rather than looking at other results.'' And hopefully that means three points v Shef Wed , keeping us in touch with the top four, all of whom could be well past the 40 pts barrier by Sat evening....
[cite]Posted By: incorruptible addick[/cite]I also said : '''We have to concetrate on what we do, of course, rather than looking at other results.''
Exactly. If we take care of our results and string a run together, it's in our own hands.
But I can't ever remember promotion being won at the halfwaypoint of the season.
Although points in the bag always helps.
Other teams in good positions above us in the table may well fall away, and a dark horse from midtable come through on a late storming run.
Last season Colchester and MK Dons fell away ........and Swindon and Millwall went on barnstorming runs.
After we beat Hartlepool at home in mid-January last season we were 18 points above Millwall. ...and we know which team eventually clinched promotion.
''But I can't ever remember promotion being won at the halfwaypoint of the season.''
No. But what we used to do under Curbs in the Premiership was win safety at the halfway point - and then decide the job was done and head off to Stringfellows for the last three months of the season!
[quote][cite]Posted By: incorruptible addick[/cite]''But I can't ever remember promotion being won at the halfwaypoint of the season.''
No. But what we used to do under Curbs in the Premiership was win safety at the halfway point - and then decide the job was done and head off to Stringfellows for the last three months of the season![/quote]
To be fair, that dosnt actually sound like a bad idea..... ;)
[cite]Posted By: incorruptible addick[/cite]But what we used to do under Curbs in the Premiership was win safety at the halfway point
A bit fanciful with the old memory there, Incorruptible!
What Curbs actually did was set a points target of 40 ..... and then once reached, pick a new target.
It was the players who apparently picked Stringfellows or dreamed where to take the missus on holiday. Or Marcus Bent wondering where he should score next.
We were no Man U or Arsenal - I can't remember that magical target being reached before the beginning of March.
And that's way past the halfway point of any season.
34 pts kept you up that season - and we passed it after 21 matches. Then when we got to 37 pts from 22 games we really went on the razzle, and lost four of the next five.
We ended up with 16 pts from our final 16 games - which was probably one of our better run-ins!
The size of the game depends on wether you're taking the short or long term view on things at the moment.
If you still think that promotion this season is vital then yes it is an important game. If Parky was still incharge then i'd agree it's a big game (but not massive).
However since Parky has been sacked i'd prefer the board to take however long to get the right man in and settled with promotion being a bonus this season but if not it's not the end of the world and get things set up for a big season next year..
34 pts kept you up that season - and we passed it after 21 matches. Then when we got to 37 pts from 22 games we really went on the razzle, and lost four of the next five.
We ended up with 16 pts from our final 16 games - which was probably one of our better run-ins!
So no, not that fanciful!
I don't think the departure of one Parker S helped to be fair!
I know one man doesn't make a team and all that but Scott was exceptional for us that season (until he left!)
I know one man doesn't make a team and all that but Scott was exceptional for us that season (until he left!)
Or rather until Curbs dropped him prior to his departure and banned him from the training ground, cos he said Scott's head wasn't in the right place because of all the Chelsea talk!
I wish, I wish, I wish the new owners would ask Curbs and Merv to take charge of the Sheff Weds game as a one off (in the hope they got the addicks blood back in their system and decided to take us on again.)
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Palarse did, and i hope it shows at the end of the season.
AND ..How is appointing a caretaker manager ever going to show any ambition of staying up?
Oh wait...
I'm sure I read a post somewhere on here stating that he was only in for the Spurs game and he wasn't going to be leading the team on Saturday?
Well, somebody has got to do it, ISaw.
So unless we get a new manager in before the weekend, I can't see KP letting us down.
I am encouraged by their decisiveness. It suggests to me that there is money because I firmly believe that Parky would never have survived this far had RM & Co had any financial manoeuvrability over the past couple of seasons.
We need to get the right manager. That is never guaranteed but a measured recruitment process is the better way in my humble opinion.
Let us not forget the folly of past decisions:
After Curbs left, to chase after the wrong guy - Billy Davies who turned us down and then to jump straight to Dowie and his f'cking Powerpoint presentation and his stripey Nigel brother.
Bringing in Sir Les but not calling him a caretaker.
Hiring the recently sacked and only real show in town - Pardew and then having to pay him off by selling players we badly needed to help stave off relegation.
Bringing in Parky as acting manager - then saying his appointment would be judged on results and giving him the permanent job despite results that were the worst ever in the clubs history.
Those were all flawed decisions, yes some with the benefit of hindsight.
So for me, taking time to get the right guy is preferable to leaping for the first "ego" you can get to or going for the default option like Palarse have just done.
I looked at the table tonight and thought , Sheet, we could be out of the Play offs and 9 points behind automatic promotion, for that reason only I think it is massive whoever is/was in charge.
We have to concetrate on what we do, of course, rather than looking at other results - some of which will go for us and some against. But that's why we have to win, just to stay in touch with the leaders. There are signs that the top four could be on the verge of opening up a bit of a daylight from the chasing pack, and we really have to hang on in there, if we are eventually to triumph come May.
True, but this is a long, long season and we are not even halfway through the season yet. There is a long way to go and with a four or five game winning streak you can go from mid-table back to the verge of the automatic spots.
Defeat and we could be mid-table. Three points and we're right back on the heels of the automatic spots.
With Ayinsah (hopefully!) fit again I'm confident we can get a point at least. Without him I'd be decidedly pessimistic.
If Semedo and Racon only play half as well as they did on Sunday we'll be okay in midfield and if Reid can look as sharp as he did when he came on we should be looking like a decent side again.
Sheff Wed fans seem to have a similar opinion of their manager as ours generally did about Parky. Unconvincing performances, feel they should have a few more points, expect promotion. Definitely a game we can win with or without a new manager.
I'd rather wait another week and get the right manager.
So maybe parky hasn't left us in the great position that his lovers harp on about .....
And maybe the new manager shouldn't be expected to provide promotion straight away...... Just like parky wasn't expected to keep us up and got less out of that squad (that he had already worked with for some time) than even pardew did
Imo the new manager should get till the end of next season to provide us with promotion but obviously all depends on the invisible money provided by the invisible owners
I would definitely agree with that.
Assuming its so, will be interesting to see what kind of performance KP and Matthews can get out of the team at Hillsborough.
I'm with those who voiced the slightly unpopular opinion that we would have seen a similar performance at WHL with Parky still in charge - Ayinsah back and Semedo and Racon looking to impress potential admirers
Parky's problem was he couldn't motivate the team to see off the likes of Walsall and Carlise at home - the key is to find a new manager who can
True, Nigel.
But on that basis, if we don't win another match all season, we could be relegated.
Blimey, Oggy. I hope that is not a prediction!
My point was rather a different one - not that there are 24 teams and they can still all make promotion or relegation. But that there are about a dozen teams who still have a realistic ambition of ending in the top six.
I also said : '''We have to concetrate on what we do, of course, rather than looking at other results.'' And hopefully that means three points v Shef Wed , keeping us in touch with the top four, all of whom could be well past the 40 pts barrier by Sat evening....
Exactly. If we take care of our results and string a run together, it's in our own hands.
But I can't ever remember promotion being won at the halfwaypoint of the season.
Although points in the bag always helps.
Other teams in good positions above us in the table may well fall away, and a dark horse from midtable come through on a late storming run.
Last season Colchester and MK Dons fell away ........and Swindon and Millwall went on barnstorming runs.
After we beat Hartlepool at home in mid-January last season we were 18 points above Millwall. ...and we know which team eventually clinched promotion.
No. But what we used to do under Curbs in the Premiership was win safety at the halfway point - and then decide the job was done and head off to Stringfellows for the last three months of the season!
No. But what we used to do under Curbs in the Premiership was win safety at the halfway point - and then decide the job was done and head off to Stringfellows for the last three months of the season![/quote]
To be fair, that dosnt actually sound like a bad idea..... ;)
A bit fanciful with the old memory there, Incorruptible!
What Curbs actually did was set a points target of 40 ..... and then once reached, pick a new target.
It was the players who apparently picked Stringfellows or dreamed where to take the missus on holiday. Or Marcus Bent wondering where he should score next.
We were no Man U or Arsenal - I can't remember that magical target being reached before the beginning of March.
And that's way past the halfway point of any season.
34 pts kept you up that season - and we passed it after 21 matches. Then when we got to 37 pts from 22 games we really went on the razzle, and lost four of the next five.
We ended up with 16 pts from our final 16 games - which was probably one of our better run-ins!
So no, not that fanciful!
If you still think that promotion this season is vital then yes it is an important game. If Parky was still incharge then i'd agree it's a big game (but not massive).
However since Parky has been sacked i'd prefer the board to take however long to get the right man in and settled with promotion being a bonus this season but if not it's not the end of the world and get things set up for a big season next year..
I don't think the departure of one Parker S helped to be fair!
I know one man doesn't make a team and all that but Scott was exceptional for us that season (until he left!)
Or rather until Curbs dropped him prior to his departure and banned him from the training ground, cos he said Scott's head wasn't in the right place because of all the Chelsea talk!