is so bloody hard. Almost a lottery.
Found two articles in the last couple of years on who were recognised as the rated, up and coming Football league managers at the time:
Soccerlens, Feb 08
1. Dave Penney (Darlington)
2. Tony Mobray (WBA)
3. Mark Stimson (Gillingham)
4. Nigel Adkins (Scunthorpe)
5. Paul Ince (MK Dons)
Sky, March 09
1. Gary Johnson (Bristol C)
2. Simon Grayson (Blackpool)
3. Jim Magilton (Ipswich)
4. Darren Ferguson (Posh)
5. John Sheridan (Oldham)
6. Jim Gannon (Stockport)
7. Sean O'Driscoll (Doncaster)
8. Paul Trollope (Bristol R)
9. Paul Tisdale (Exeter)
10. Keith Hill (Rochdale)
15 managers there.
Of those 15, only Adkins and Grayson's reputations have been advanced by moving on to other clubs, and ironically in both instances through dropping a division.
O'Driscoll, Tisdale and Hill have maintained their reputations but have done so within the same job.
10 of the 15 since these articles in just the last two seasons have gone on to record a failure since.
It is a bloody minefield. One where judging from the above, what is now classed as 'failure' has a 2/3 chance of occuring.
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In half a season Poyet built a reputation of a young promising manager. Another half a a season later and he's seen as a very good manager.
Look at Holloway, failed at Leicester, seen as a poor manager. Had a break from management and came back having done something not many managers do and completely changed the way he wanted his teams to play. Important thing though was he could actually pull it off.
Tony Pulis now doing a very good job at Stoke. In 3/4 years time one or two of the current promising managers might be doing the same. At the same time some could still be managing in League One or Two. Like Pulis someone unexpected might turn out to be a good manager.
Did Bournemouth fans expect Howe to be a very good manager for them? Someone like Chris Powell, Steve Brown or Damian Matthew could be for us. Then again they might only ever be good coaches/assistant managers.
I don't see us as the club who will gamble on someone that hasn't been a manager, but if you get the right person you might find a brilliant manager. MK Dons took a risk on Di Matteo and he's now managing in the Prem.
A lot of candidates out there. Really does feel like a lottery.
Set Fulham on their way when they were in the s**t pit.
But if Chris Powell wasn't an ex-addick would we even consider the Leicester coach. No experience, hardly started his coaching career.
What would be interesting to know but we never will is who has applied for the job.
They will want the job. Some will be the unemployed managers who would, quite rightly apply for any similar post but I wonder how many in-work managers or coaches have put a CV in and who they are?
Phil Parkinson 5/4
Aidy Boothroyd 3/1
Alan Curbishley 5/1
Billy Davies 9/1
Lawrie Sanchez 10/1
Gus Poyet 12/1
Sam Allardyce 12/1
David O`Leary 16/1
Steve Cotterill 16/1
Steve Tilson 16/1
Mark Kinsella 20/1
Andy Hessanthaler 20/1
Dennis Wise 22/1
Ian Holloway 22/1
Glenn Hoddle 28/1
Chris Powell 28/1
Joe Kinnear 33/1
Iain Dowie 33/1
Martin Allen 33/1
John Gregory 33/1
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Dec 2008 that is, before Parky got it full time
Big football teams have footballing, motivational and fitness coaches, scouts, directors of football, dieticians etc etc but the manager is given almost 100% of the credit or blame based on results. When you add in luck and the players, perhaps the manager's responsibility is 20% or so.
Exactly, money for old rope, I bet they sit there all day in their office looking at the internet!!!
Hold on a min, where do I get an application form.
I mean Gary Johnson is the new favourite now, he was only sacked yesterday and supposedly there was 5 others on the shortlist. But as someone just said to me, Johnson could well have been discounted because of his contract.
Who knows, whoever it is, I will give them and the board a chance.
Big football teams have footballing, motivational and fitness coaches, scouts, directors of football, dieticians etc etc but the manager is given almost 100% of the credit or blame based on results. When you add in luck and the players, perhaps the manager's responsibility is 20% or so.[/quote]
I agree in some respect, however it is generally the manager who brings in all the other coaching staff....
Thats why having a good manager, who can bring in the right staff is very important....
The managers also set out the tactics for example, which is obviously crucial
Can't agree with this view of a managers importance to a football clubs success or failure. I my opinion the manager is THE most important person at a football club. Wenger gets huge success by coaching players and teams into being better. Mourinho was able to win the Champions League at Porto with players that wouldn't get into their rivals teams. Ferguson has built, broken up and rebuilt quality sides on a number of occasions. A good manager can and should get more out of a team than the sum of the parts. Fundamental to this is getting teams playing football first and not resorting to hoofball. When a manager perseveres with anything other than passing football then you know his ability is limited and he should be dispensed with.
You make an excellent case, but outside the top half dozen or so managers in the world does this hold? For every Wenger or Mourinho with an unblemished record there are a dozen Hodgsons and Holloways who go from hero to zero or vice versa. I'm not sue I'd agree that the best managers always play the best football either. Mourinho's style certainly isn't hoofball but nor is it the beautiful game either.
I've always thought this...
With the average fan, the manager is given glory to shame status, or vice versa. in such a relatively short space of time.... I don't think it's that straight forward. A successful club is run well from the top first, and there are many other aspects for success..