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Why I don't want Poyet/Howe

tangoflashtangoflash
edited January 2011 in General Charlton
Okay, this may go against what most of you are thinking but assuming we DO have enough money to attract a manager of our choice, I am hoping that we don't go for Poyet or Howe.

The reasons behind this is, apart from their current clubs, what have they achieved as managers? How many times over the years have we seen a manager seem a tactical genius then unable to replicate it when they move on?
You could even possibly put Curbs in this bracket as he's never really achieved anything since he left us.

So if we do actually have the resourses to pick our future leader then I for one am hoping we make the right choice and choose someone with the right amount of experience and desire to take the club forward. Of course there's no guarentees whoever we get, but there's no substitute for experience as far as i'm concerned and we really can't afford to gamble on this.

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  • ShootersHillGuruShootersHillGuru
    edited January 2011
    Valid points certainly although in truth whoever we get is going to be a gamble. I lean towards new managerial talent that is hungry and might be in it for at least the medium haul. If we looked ended up with eg Clarke or Zola I could just see it as them using us as a stepping stone and if any success was achieved they would be off in two years. We might hold onto a Howe or Poyet or O'Driscoll a bit longer ?
  • trickytricky
    As said in other threads, there are few managers that have been a success everywhere they've gone.

    I personally would prefer a manager like Poyet or Howe and think they would much more effective than a "bigger" name.

    Someone like Howe would prove to me that the new board have a bit more football knowledge than previously thought, as going for a big name is an easy option IMO.
  • JTJT
    What had Curbs done before in management before he came to us 1st time?
  • Floyd MontanaFloyd Montana
    played for us?
  • JTJT
    In management
  • ScohamScoham
    Who would you like instead?
  • heavenSE7heavenSE7
    IF we win today I want Super Keith
  • heavenSE7heavenSE7
    By the way i'm just kidding regarding Keith, but as the original post said maybe todays first half performance has something to do with the players listening to someone who is respected and experienced rather than a younger manager like Parky/Howe/Poyet
  • siblerssiblers
    edited January 2011
    [cite]Posted By: tangoflash[/cite]Okay, this may go against what most of you are thinking but assuming we DO have enough money to attract a manager of our choice, I am hoping that we don't go for Poyet or Howe.

    The reasons behind this is, apart from their current clubs, what have they achieved as managers? How many times over the years have we seen a manager seem a tactical genius then unable to replicate it when they move on?
    You could even possibly put Curbs in this bracket as he's never really achieved anything since he left us.

    So if we do actually have the resourses to pick our future leader then I for one am hoping we make the right choice and choose someone with the right amount of experience and desire to take the club forward. Of course there's no guarentees whoever we get, but there's no substitute for experience as far as i'm concerned and we really can't afford to gamble on this.
    I would say the way Curbs kept West Ham up as being pretty amazing, if he was still with them now, they'd most likely be a comfortable mid-table team. I think most people will admit Howe is a risk but in his 3 seasons as a manager he has done nothing but impress. When Poyet took over Brighton they looked like they were gonna go down, he kept them up and now they look like they are gonna walk away with the league.
  • _MrDick_MrDick
    I tend to agree to a certain point. Take Parkinson, for instance. Did a fantastic job at Colchester on limited resources and in the process discovered a few gems. Gets a big(ish) move to Hull and bombs spectacularly. Gets a second chance at Charlton and we see nothing to suggest that he's the tactical genius that he was at Col U. Having said that, I can't give you the name of a manager with any stature that I think would drop down into league 1.
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  • vffvff
    At Southampton, Nigel Adkins moved down from Scunthorpe to Souhampton. If a club has some finances behind them, and has good prospects for the future than a good manager may take a step down.

    That's the question. We have been taken over, but who are the owners and is there any real money behind them ? A new manager will want to know that there is enough investment behind the club to be able to take the team forward.

    With Poyet, he did do well at Leeds and Brighton. It suggests that he is not a flash in the pan, when it comes to management.
  • Oggy RedOggy Red
    [cite]Posted By: vff[/cite]If a club has some finances behind them, and has good prospects for the future than a good manager may take a step down.

    Simon Grayson also did exactly that, moving from Championship Blackpool to League One Leeds a couple of seasons ago.
  • BlackForestRedsBlackForestReds
    If Eddie Howe does become our new manager he will also be taking a step down...
  • pilchardpilchard
    [cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: vff[/cite]If a club has some finances behind them, and has good prospects for the future than a good manager may take a step down.

    Simon Grayson also did exactly that, moving from Championship Blackpool to League One Leeds a couple of seasons ago.

    Very good point and very accurate.
  • Rudders22Rudders22
    looks like he is palace bound anyway
  • Bexley DanBexley Dan
    edited January 2011
    [cite]Posted By: tangoflash[/cite]Okay, this may go against what most of you are thinking but assuming we DO have enough money to attract a manager of our choice, I am hoping that we don't go for Poyet or Howe.

    The reasons behind this is, apart from their current clubs, what have they achieved as managers? How many times over the years have we seen a manager seem a tactical genius then unable to replicate it when they move on?
    You could even possibly put Curbs in this bracket as he's never really achieved anything since he left us.

    So if we do actually have the resourses to pick our future leader then I for one am hoping we make the right choice and choose someone with the right amount of experience and desire to take the club forward. Of course there's no guarentees whoever we get, but there's no substitute for experience as far as i'm concerned and we really can't afford to gamble on this.

    i don't disagree with this - managers who have done it consistently tend to have a formula that works - if they've done it at say 3 or 4 different clubs then its far less of a gamble although i accept that they may well be beyond our reach at the moment - i see howe as being a very risky appointment but if it did happen, i'd get behind it. i don't want a dinosaur but i think some experience is needed - we've just had 3 relative rookies and i'd like something a little more tried and tested.
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