agreed - never any end product. does the hard things well and the simple things badly. if it was a fancy trick competition he'd be good. as it is he's a frustrating, lightweight joke.
[cite]Posted By: allez les addicks[/cite]couldn't work out why he was preferred to Waggy tonight, but then I remembered that Ipswich have a recall option this month.
Seeing as they are still paying a large % of his wages, I figure we better be starting him otherwise they'll recall him and send him elsewhere.
Imo he's a useful option when it's going well, but not for our present situation.
He's one of those players that almost every time I see him play he frustrates me with his decision making. Still couldn't say what his best position is. I don't think he links up well with a striker when playing through the middle, and he's neither a crosser or goalscorer from midfield.
I think it's more down to him having one or two big weaknesses in his game more than anything. Could say good coaching should sort that out, but he did very little at Ipswich (and the other clubs he's been on loan to as far as I know).
I said a few months ago I could see why he was at Man Utd but also why he struggled at Ipswich. It's also now clear why he was available fairly cheaply and for the full season.
I thought he ran his socks off in the first half and was the only player who looked like he was giving 100%. No end product as you all say, but perhaps that's because movement from his fellow forwards is non existant, it's was a case of him trying to create something on his own with no assistance. I think it's very easy to throw the baby out with the bathwater in such a dreadful team performance, but in a decent team with good movement in the forward line I think he would be a different player.
His stock in trade is to shimmy , twist and turn and generally look like he's got more tricks up his sleeve than he has. Trouble is he does this every time he recieves the ball and usually thats as far as it goes. A show pony who rarely produces.
[cite]Posted By: Big William[/cite]His stock in trade is to shimmy , twist and turn and generally look like he's got more tricks up his sleeve than he has. Trouble is he does this every time he recieves the ball and usually thats as far as it goes. A show pony who rarely produces.
When he has played well he has looked the best player in this league.
Keeps it simple and works hard when things aren't going the teams way..
More problems than Martin, keep him.
I agree with this. Of all the people to single out Lee Martin would not be on that list. He might mistakes but he works very hard and is putting in more effort than a lot of other players. This boy needs some coaching to make the correct decisions and understand exactly what role he is supposed to be playing. There's the potential to be a very good player there. Shame that there's no'one at Charlton good enough to coach that ability into him.
Martin was the only player except ironically Dailly who tried to get things moving, Martin was always looking for space, yes I agree his flicks etc are maybe too much for this league but we looked far worse last night when he went off, may I suggest there are many more deserving targets at the club than Lee Martin.
When he has played well he has looked the best player in this league.
Keeps it simple and works hard when things aren't going the teams way..
More problems than Martin, keep him.
I agree with this. Of all the people to single out Lee Martin would not be on that list. He might mistakes but he works very hard and is putting in more effort than a lot of other players. This boy needs some coaching to make the correct decisions and understand exactly what role he is supposed to be playing. There's the potential to be a very good player there. Shame that there's no'one at Charlton good enough to coach that ability into him.
I'll go with these sentiments. I thought that last night he tried a few good runs but they went unnoticed and unsupported. Why pick on someone who was at least trying very hard?
Martin belongs at the front a midfield diamond or at the front of a midfield three. He has more creativity and the potential to run at ponderous defenders than Racon will ever have.
If you play three central midfielders as we did last night (Semedo, McCormack and Racon), it pays to let each of them know what is expected of them ... otherwise you get two players (McCormack and Racon) sharing one players job.
This for me is Parkinson's main weakness ... the inability to realise that our central midfield lacks creativity. He sees Semedo and Racon as good footballers (and they are), but just expects the central midfield to take care of itself. They are not the right combination. This is the team's main weakness, and his weakness for not realising it.
Martin is probably our most skillful player. Play him where he can hurt the opposition.
When we signed him i was over the moon but i just fail to see what he offers? Altough Waggy has been off the boil over the last month he is a much better option than Martin.
[cite]Posted By: Dave Rudd[/cite]Martin belongs at the front a midfield diamond or at the front of a midfield three. He has more creativity and the potential to run at ponderous defenders than Racon will ever have.
If you play three central midfielders as we did last night (Semedo, McCormack and Racon), it pays to let each of them know what is expected of them ... otherwise you get two players (McCormack and Racon) sharing one players job.
This for me is Parkinson's main weakness ... the inability to realise that our central midfield lacks creativity. He sees Semedo and Racon as good footballers (and they are), but just expects the central midfield to take care of itself. They are not the right combination. This is the team's main weakness, and his weakness for not realising it.
Martin is probably our most skillful player. Play him where he can hurt the opposition.
Last night I was wondering why Mccormack was in that position, it should have been Martin with waggy on the right
He isn't a scapegoat and does run his legs off but the critisisms are very valid i'm afraid IMHO. His decision making and vision is undoudtedly very poor. You see him have a chance to get a shot off and he takes an extra touch (almost without fail), He has no awareness of team mates around him and misses obvious passes and instead tries to beat a man too many. As I striker he can't play off another striker so the only place you could play him is wide and whilst ability wise he ticks all the boxes and can on occasion produce some sublime skills, I have seen him take the wrong option too many times to think that we can coach his weaknesses out of him in a season. We could look to use him as a sub against tiring defenders where he may get more joy but as he plays too much for himself and his link up play with his fellow striker is non existent. I'd send him back to free up some space for somebody more suited to us.
Up and coming winger, moved to the premiership before ending up with us? The new Ambrose maybe? I can see him doing well in the right team, he works hard and has talent.
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Seeing as they are still paying a large % of his wages, I figure we better be starting him otherwise they'll recall him and send him elsewhere.
Imo he's a useful option when it's going well, but not for our present situation.
Tough choice, but Wagstaff is even worse!
who said that? better delete 90% of the posts i've ever done then.
I think it's more down to him having one or two big weaknesses in his game more than anything. Could say good coaching should sort that out, but he did very little at Ipswich (and the other clubs he's been on loan to as far as I know).
I said a few months ago I could see why he was at Man Utd but also why he struggled at Ipswich. It's also now clear why he was available fairly cheaply and for the full season.
This.
yeah agreed does not say much for the other 10 on the team though
He's not a one trick pony, he's not a two trick pony, he's got a field of ponies running towards The Valley
I agree with this. Of all the people to single out Lee Martin would not be on that list. He might mistakes but he works very hard and is putting in more effort than a lot of other players. This boy needs some coaching to make the correct decisions and understand exactly what role he is supposed to be playing. There's the potential to be a very good player there. Shame that there's no'one at Charlton good enough to coach that ability into him.
Reminds me of Riverdance when he has the ball.
If you play three central midfielders as we did last night (Semedo, McCormack and Racon), it pays to let each of them know what is expected of them ... otherwise you get two players (McCormack and Racon) sharing one players job.
This for me is Parkinson's main weakness ... the inability to realise that our central midfield lacks creativity. He sees Semedo and Racon as good footballers (and they are), but just expects the central midfield to take care of itself. They are not the right combination. This is the team's main weakness, and his weakness for not realising it.
Martin is probably our most skillful player. Play him where he can hurt the opposition.
Last night I was wondering why Mccormack was in that position, it should have been Martin with waggy on the right