[cite]Posted By: IA[/cite]But I repeat: if someone said with certainty in 1998 that Spain would win the 2010 World Cup and that Uruguay would be in the semi-finals (ie last 4, like Qatar would be last 32), they would've been laughed out the door. How about North Korea in the World Cup, or New Zealand drawing with Italy, or South Africa and Slovakia beating France and Italy respectively? The article makes a lot of very strong predictions about where football will be in 2022.
I'm finding this argument a little hard to swallow. You seem to be using facts about results that have now happened to back-up past predictions that aren't quotable in order to give credenece to an article about future possibility. 2 years ago you wouldn't have found me be hopeful about an English cricket tour down under but as much as the ECB has built the side up it's as much to do with Oz's decline as any investment. The article may be proved right for all the wrong reasons.
Whether or not the next three hosts of the world cup deserve it (I'm including Brazil as I'd like to see the expanding the global game argument include them) is one question that no-one can really answer without a counter arguement. I'm not against the WC appearing in new countries and new regions but I will say that you also shouldn't forget your mainstays too. Investigate any business that sought new customers to the detriment of treating its existing ones well and some more of the understandable upset can be explained with this bidding process.
The main thing for me is FIFA themselves. The world game is run by an unaccountable, unfairly elected and untouchable elite who dictate where the now over 1 billion dollars per anum turnover goes - tax free as this is a "non-profit" organisation. There are a hell of a lot of people making a profit out of this organisation in addition to some of the good work it supports. I may be wrong but I don't see any open books on FIFA's spending or income (especially those in the higher echelons for the latter) so how can even the day to day running of the organisation be transparent to the people they purport to represent?
I'm not a fan of Murdoch or the Premier League but ironically it is their avaricious global reachings that holds a mirror to FIFA's own plans and they like neither the exposure nor the competition. Neither are particularly keen on a free press it seems.
Spending money on football for 95% of us from fans to business people is a mug's game. For the other 5% it's a wonderful world of endless income. Investing time in this occasionally beautiful game is another matter.
I've had a few jars tonight so maybe I'm not being clear but I think the decision process and the general running of the game is pretty comtemptible and good world cups and positive financial investment in the countries that host them for the people that care about football happens in spite of FIFA's involvement not because of it.
Englands bid looked absolute quality, I also think Australia would have done a fantastic job and it would have pushed football further up the food chain that it already is...
The A league for me is total quality in this country, it does suffer drom low crowds, but the bigger clubs do well at attracting the right levels very often..
A world cup would have do the tournament wonders..
It just stinks to me.. they will have to change there culture to fit the global culture of getting shitfaced, unless they want their prisons to be packed to capacity within the first few days of the tournament..
The only criteria in decision making is the power of Money.Notwithstanding their small populations the gulf states own a very large and disproportionate slice of the world's total
wealth.Coutries like the UK and the USA are totally indebted to them as regards Debt and inward investments by these states.The same applies to Russia's enormous untapped reserves of oil.This is turning Russia into a massive future world player.How can Money not be the only reason today when footballers are getting paid weekly fortunes?The same people that are 'investing' in top clubs have bought off our beautiful game.The linkage between investing individuals and the hosting countries is so easy to see.
It is unfair because countries with unelected leaders and dodgy regimes are winning.How long before China hosts the next world Cup?Should be easy for a country that practically
owns the USA.
In the meantime we carry on playing by the rules of Democracy and fair play.Which is right but we should have never opened our markets and knowhow to any state or country
who do not adhere to basic democratic rights.This argument might seem a bit off topic but in our new globalised world the disparities in levels of corruption,democracy,media freedom are so enormous that moral standards have vanished and a lot of our wealth has moved to these 'New' economies.
The message FIFA have given is dangerous .It says despots and mafia regimes are winners but we cannot recriminate because the Premiership is awash with their money.
[cite]Posted By: mascot88[/cite]The A league for me is total quality in this country
Erm.... No. The A league is utter, utter dreck. I went to a game on Friday (Melbourne v Brisbane) - it finished 3-3 but was absolutely dire. There's no way any of the sides here are anything above league 2 quality - the football is shit. Public here don't give a toss about it either - the crowd was quieter than at a Highbury league cup game.
OK Sco, how about this: 15 years ago, the Spanish started to put in place development programmes to improve their lot in football. Germany did something similar, as France had done before the 98 World Cup. The Spaniards started to get their rewards two years ago when they won the European Championships. Given that the current World Champions got to that position by focusing on youth development, it seems a bit foolhardy to say that Qatar can't improve their football team by similar means in the next 12 years. And improving their team into being one of the top 50 in the world (South Africa are currently ranked 50th) would be enough to prove the article wrong.
In fact, I'd say 90% of predictions made today for what happens on the pitch at the 2022 World Cup will be wrong.
Brazil had no opposition for hosting rights in 2014.
Sorry, still don't get your point. If Spain's development is so wonderful why didn't they get the WC? They were bidding too.
If technical merit is to be take into account why did England's bid fail so dramatically?
Are you defending FIFA's administration? I've already stated that I'm not against new places getting the WC but the means by which they get it should be open and representative of the world game. The only reason a few of FIFA's top boys are currently suspended is due to external investigation, a factor that was clearly intimated as a reason to reject England's bid. If those in charge are so seriously against such intrusions to their little club then this really should begin to ivite proper scrutiny.
To me, FIFA are a dodgy outfit and the bidding process is far too clandestine to offer clear justification for the winners and losers in such bids. We might well have won the right to get the WC and none of this would matter to us right now but some free thinking starts throwing up some questions for me irrespective of whether Russia or Quatar are worthy winners of this process.
I think it makes a lot of brave predictions on the state of football in 2022 and dismisses all too easily the possibility of Qatar developing an OK football team.
I've now re-read the article and think it was a load of bollocks not even worth the time I spent on Wikipedia finding out the population of Uruguay.
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It will be the last World cup I'll care about.
After Brazil I'm looking forward to not giving a flying toss about international football.
I'm finding this argument a little hard to swallow. You seem to be using facts about results that have now happened to back-up past predictions that aren't quotable in order to give credenece to an article about future possibility. 2 years ago you wouldn't have found me be hopeful about an English cricket tour down under but as much as the ECB has built the side up it's as much to do with Oz's decline as any investment. The article may be proved right for all the wrong reasons.
Whether or not the next three hosts of the world cup deserve it (I'm including Brazil as I'd like to see the expanding the global game argument include them) is one question that no-one can really answer without a counter arguement. I'm not against the WC appearing in new countries and new regions but I will say that you also shouldn't forget your mainstays too. Investigate any business that sought new customers to the detriment of treating its existing ones well and some more of the understandable upset can be explained with this bidding process.
The main thing for me is FIFA themselves. The world game is run by an unaccountable, unfairly elected and untouchable elite who dictate where the now over 1 billion dollars per anum turnover goes - tax free as this is a "non-profit" organisation. There are a hell of a lot of people making a profit out of this organisation in addition to some of the good work it supports. I may be wrong but I don't see any open books on FIFA's spending or income (especially those in the higher echelons for the latter) so how can even the day to day running of the organisation be transparent to the people they purport to represent?
I'm not a fan of Murdoch or the Premier League but ironically it is their avaricious global reachings that holds a mirror to FIFA's own plans and they like neither the exposure nor the competition. Neither are particularly keen on a free press it seems.
Spending money on football for 95% of us from fans to business people is a mug's game. For the other 5% it's a wonderful world of endless income. Investing time in this occasionally beautiful game is another matter.
I've had a few jars tonight so maybe I'm not being clear but I think the decision process and the general running of the game is pretty comtemptible and good world cups and positive financial investment in the countries that host them for the people that care about football happens in spite of FIFA's involvement not because of it.
The A league for me is total quality in this country, it does suffer drom low crowds, but the bigger clubs do well at attracting the right levels very often..
A world cup would have do the tournament wonders..
It just stinks to me.. they will have to change there culture to fit the global culture of getting shitfaced, unless they want their prisons to be packed to capacity within the first few days of the tournament..
wealth.Coutries like the UK and the USA are totally indebted to them as regards Debt and inward investments by these states.The same applies to Russia's enormous untapped reserves of oil.This is turning Russia into a massive future world player.How can Money not be the only reason today when footballers are getting paid weekly fortunes?The same people that are 'investing' in top clubs have bought off our beautiful game.The linkage between investing individuals and the hosting countries is so easy to see.
It is unfair because countries with unelected leaders and dodgy regimes are winning.How long before China hosts the next world Cup?Should be easy for a country that practically
owns the USA.
In the meantime we carry on playing by the rules of Democracy and fair play.Which is right but we should have never opened our markets and knowhow to any state or country
who do not adhere to basic democratic rights.This argument might seem a bit off topic but in our new globalised world the disparities in levels of corruption,democracy,media freedom are so enormous that moral standards have vanished and a lot of our wealth has moved to these 'New' economies.
The message FIFA have given is dangerous .It says despots and mafia regimes are winners but we cannot recriminate because the Premiership is awash with their money.
In fact, I'd say 90% of predictions made today for what happens on the pitch at the 2022 World Cup will be wrong.
Brazil had no opposition for hosting rights in 2014.
If technical merit is to be take into account why did England's bid fail so dramatically?
Are you defending FIFA's administration? I've already stated that I'm not against new places getting the WC but the means by which they get it should be open and representative of the world game. The only reason a few of FIFA's top boys are currently suspended is due to external investigation, a factor that was clearly intimated as a reason to reject England's bid. If those in charge are so seriously against such intrusions to their little club then this really should begin to ivite proper scrutiny.
To me, FIFA are a dodgy outfit and the bidding process is far too clandestine to offer clear justification for the winners and losers in such bids. We might well have won the right to get the WC and none of this would matter to us right now but some free thinking starts throwing up some questions for me irrespective of whether Russia or Quatar are worthy winners of this process.
I was unaware Brazil had no rivals for 2014.
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Is that a prediction?
I think it makes a lot of brave predictions on the state of football in 2022 and dismisses all too easily the possibility of Qatar developing an OK football team.
I've now re-read the article and think it was a load of bollocks not even worth the time I spent on Wikipedia finding out the population of Uruguay.