From what I was told the plan does not involve moving the club although the club does own some land on the Valley site that I think is part of the plan - sorry I can't remember exactly what I was told in relation to this.
[cite]Posted By: MuttleyCAFC[/cite]I wasn't told he was a supporter
Well I think the 'supporter' claim only comes from Stopshouting (see above) and that may have been a case of mistaken identity. I haven't seen any evidence that he is passionate about football at all. Hicks and Gillette fooled 40,000 scousers into thinking they were enthusiastic and passionate about Liverpool, when in fact they were E&P about trousering shedloads of money after a leveraged buyout. I am coming to the conclusion that SS is much the same.
[cite]Posted By: MuttleyCAFC[/cite]I wasn't told he was a supporter
Well I think the 'supporter' claim only comes from Stopshouting (see above) and that may have been a case of mistaken identity. I haven't seen any evidence that he is passionate about football at all. Hicks and Gillette fooled 40,000 scousers into thinking they were enthusiastic and passionate about Liverpool, when in fact they were E&P about trousering shedloads of money after a leveraged buyout. I am coming to the conclusion that SS is much the same.
possibly harsh to say SS is only in it for the money although that could be true. We jsut don't know.
If I had to guess I'd say here's a 40+ man whose very name constantly reminds him and everyone he meets that he comes from a powerful and successful family but who, considering his trust fund and personal connections, hasn't set the business world on fire.
Taking over a football club gives him an instant platform and if they are a success the kudos of rubbing shoulders with the rich and famous (and David White).
So maybe more Simon Jordan than Bill Gates. Maybe : - )
Must admit to knowing absolutely nothing about this sainsbury guy (and it seems i'm not the only one here). I don't tend to take these rumours too seriously and see most of it as a way to fill the extra columns in fleet street. But i couldn't help but shivver at the mention of Risdale in the same sentence as charlton. Hopefully, nothing in that one at all. That guy would put a tea-towel on his head to buy a football club. I'd rather trust Harold shipman with my parents health than that man with our club. I must add that i have complete faith in RM to only do a deal that is right for the club long-term.
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]If I had to guess I'd say here's a 40+ man whose very name constantly reminds him and everyone he meets that he comes from a powerful and successful family but who, considering his trust fund and personal connections, hasn't set the business world on fire.
that's a good insightful (sorry, ghastly word) guess. But seeing as you would presumably agree that CAFC is a business, it doesnt exactly inspire confidence, does it?
Stop Shouting (SS) Sebastien Sainsbury (SS) are they somehow related?
I have been told Sebastien Sainsbury drinks in a bar/restaurant near Villars which is near Geneva and got the owner to put a picture of the Valley on the wall, would this be where you were Stop Shouting?
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]If I had to guess I'd say here's a 40+ man whose very name constantly reminds him and everyone he meets that he comes from a powerful and successful family but who, considering his trust fund and personal connections, hasn't set the business world on fire.
that's a good insightful (sorry, ghastly word) guess. But seeing as you would presumably agree that CAFC is a business, it doesnt exactly inspire confidence, does it?
As I said to someone only this afternoon who ever follows Murray has a difficult task. Leaving aside the nutters who can't give Richard credit for anything most of us can see what he has done well and where he's gone wrong.
We are at least one division too low for a club with our support, stadium and history but we are where we are on merit so have to live with that for the time being at least. Not just accept it or like it but we do have to live with it.
However the next owner will be judged by one standard only and that is the level that Murray took to the Club to when we spent 7 years in the top half/middle of the premiership. The bar has been set that high and whoever comes after will be expected to at least reach it.
Personally everything I see and read about Sainsbury tells me he is not the man but will shall see if it is third time lucky for Seb to actually put his, or someone else's money even, where his mouth is.
[cite]Posted By: Steve Dowman[/cite]Stop Shouting (SS) Sebastien Sainsbury (SS) are they somehow related?
A very very good spot Steve - now you've mentioned I'm amazed that nobody has twigged and mentioned it before. Is Stop Shouting actually Sebastien Sainsbury? They share the same initials so maybe this is his way of tipping us the wink? Or is Stop Shouting involved in broking the deal? Clandestine meetings in tax havens, mysterious mentions of pictures on walls, the playboy lifestyles, mixing in the same high society circles - it makes complete sense that they would know each other at the very least.
This is getting interesting now. Prague - can you do some digging into Stop Shouting's background - it could provide the link we're looking for.
[cite]Posted By: Steve Dowman[/cite]Stop Shouting (SS) Sebastien Sainsbury (SS) are they somehow related?
A very very good spot Steve - now you've mentioned I'm amazed that nobody has twigged and mentioned it before. Is Stop Shouting actually Sebastien Sainsbury? They share the same initials so maybe this is his way of tipping us the wink? Or is Stop Shouting involved in broking the deal? Clandestine meetings in tax havens, mysterious mentions of pictures on walls, the playboy lifestyles, mixing in the same high society circles - it makes complete sense that they would know each other at the very least.
This is getting interesting now. Prague - can you do some digging into Stop Shouting's background - it could provide the link we're looking for.
Ha ha. As off it and several others on here know, I am not seb sainsbury. My story is that I was skiing in villars in switzerland about 5 years ago and I walked into a bar with a picture of the valley on the wall. I got to meet the bar's owner the following evening who was a fairly new and fair weather addick who got involved via roger alwen. This guy was middle aged and apparently fairly affluent. This is my recollection of the event. When it was announced that SS was based in geneva, I posted on here my villars story. Having now seen a picture of SS, I can confirm this isn't the same chap I met in villars.
On the takeover subject, if either SS or RM would like to utilise my negotiating skills, then I do have recent experience and success in broking a rather high profile football deal. Feel free to whisper me.
A likely story, Seb - sorry, I mean, "Stop Shouting". You're not going to throw us off the scent that easilly.
I've heard from a reliable source that Seb S was spotted going into a casino on Saturday night after the Barnet game with his minder. Go on, cards on the table, did you go to a casino on saturday night? Were you meeting Seb S in there? Did he get his driver to give you a lift home? Don't hold back on us now.
A friend of mine used to work with Peter Risdale when he was in retail. Apparently he's a nice bloke but even in those days he was a bit too free and easy with the cash and not exactly an intellectual either. I'm sure he meant well at Leeds and at Cardiff but with the mismatch between his brains and his pocket it's easy to see how it fell apart. Can anyone here imagine how managers like Dowie and especially Pardew would have spent Risdales money!
[cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]Every time i have a drink with Stop Shouting it turns out his funds are tied up in Trusts when it comes to his round.....
[cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]Every time i have a drink with Stop Shouting it turns out his funds are tied up in Trusts when it comes to his round.....
LOFL!
I'll remember that, next time we're cuffing in the alma.
Was anybody listening to the Monday night club on 5 live? They talked briefly about the Sainsbury bid for Charlton and one of the guests (Pat Nevin) said that the story going round the grounds at the weekend was that Milan Mandaric was looking at us and Sheff Wednesday.
[cite]Posted By: SaoPauloAddick[/cite]that the story going round the grounds at the weekend was that Milan Mandaric was looking at us and Sheff Wednesday.
Lets hope Murray is better at picking buyers than he was at picking managers, lol. Parky is the best since Curbishley but we don't want Hicks and Gillet owning us, lol.
It is obvious that Richard Murray is being very cautious about who he considers as a potential owner of our Club. We should surely support him in this approach, there is evidence all around us of the problems that can arise with new owners, principally those who choose to use money raised from the Club's assetts to make the purchase. It's hard to imagine that Man Utd supporters are comfortable in having an American family with no football pedigree, and a massive debt. My question is, how long can Richard keep us afloat before he is forced to lower his standards, or contemplate the dreaded word Administration ?
[cite]Posted By: MuttleyCAFC[/cite]I think as, to put it simply, he owes most of the money to himself then administration is incredibly unlikely.
Not the case anymore. Most of the debt (around £7m) is a mortgage. RM can only go back to the well so many times and will need some help sooner rather than later.
Fact still remains that administration is not in his financial inetersts apart from emotional ones- RM is one of us which I think most of us appreciate. yes he has made errors but we know he has the clubs best interests at heart.
Debt is still around 16mn. 7mn Mortgage,an overdraft of around 1mn and loans from Murray,Hatter,White,Chappell and Whitehead totalling about 8mn. So while Murray holds all the shares,he has not got total control of debt,therefore will not be able to decide alone what deal is done.
Seb Sainsbury was/is looking at some sort of financial involvement in Charlton; when his name was first linked to the club back in July (see http://charltonathleticonline.blogspot.com/2010_07_01_archive.html), I contacted him (via Facebook!) and he accepted me as an FB friend. He was friendly and replied to all my messages almost immediately. He told me that "lots of talks going....." and asked my opinion of Richard Murray. I'm not sure he would have done that if he was an active and close fan of the club. Not wanting to push things, I left him in peace, until after the EGM when I sent him another message (26th August). He responded then by saying "if all goes to plan, see you at the Home game on the 11 Sept,,,". Once more we had no actual news, and nothing happened at the Notts County game, so I presumed that talks were ongoing (as seems to be the case) or that it was a duff rumour. I sent another message to Seb last week (on my return from holiday, when I first heard of revived take-over rumours) but I have had no response. That could have been due to the finality of talks, or that they were delicately poised (who knows?). Seb lives in Geneva, and does seem to have a bit of a playboy life if his FB profile and posts are anything to go by (lots of glam women and posh art gallery-type do's); he also plays Farmville a lot! He likes "Rugby, squash, tennis and skiing", and his taste in music and politics is "moderate". I do think he wants to be involved with the Addicks, and he does seem like a nice guy (from my FB contact with him), but maybe he has struggled to raise funds as others have in the past and this is not the time for him...He would certainly be a better option than Wise or Ridsdale!
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Well I think the 'supporter' claim only comes from Stopshouting (see above) and that may have been a case of mistaken identity. I haven't seen any evidence that he is passionate about football at all. Hicks and Gillette fooled 40,000 scousers into thinking they were enthusiastic and passionate about Liverpool, when in fact they were E&P about trousering shedloads of money after a leveraged buyout. I am coming to the conclusion that SS is much the same.
possibly harsh to say SS is only in it for the money although that could be true. We jsut don't know.
If I had to guess I'd say here's a 40+ man whose very name constantly reminds him and everyone he meets that he comes from a powerful and successful family but who, considering his trust fund and personal connections, hasn't set the business world on fire.
Taking over a football club gives him an instant platform and if they are a success the kudos of rubbing shoulders with the rich and famous (and David White).
So maybe more Simon Jordan than Bill Gates. Maybe : - )
that's a good insightful (sorry, ghastly word) guess. But seeing as you would presumably agree that CAFC is a business, it doesnt exactly inspire confidence, does it?
I have been told Sebastien Sainsbury drinks in a bar/restaurant near Villars which is near Geneva and got the owner to put a picture of the Valley on the wall, would this be where you were Stop Shouting?
Maybe he isnt the owner, just a punter.
As I said to someone only this afternoon who ever follows Murray has a difficult task. Leaving aside the nutters who can't give Richard credit for anything most of us can see what he has done well and where he's gone wrong.
We are at least one division too low for a club with our support, stadium and history but we are where we are on merit so have to live with that for the time being at least. Not just accept it or like it but we do have to live with it.
However the next owner will be judged by one standard only and that is the level that Murray took to the Club to when we spent 7 years in the top half/middle of the premiership. The bar has been set that high and whoever comes after will be expected to at least reach it.
Personally everything I see and read about Sainsbury tells me he is not the man but will shall see if it is third time lucky for Seb to actually put his, or someone else's money even, where his mouth is.
Definitely in the 'flash' Simon Jordan mould more than the consider Mr Burns of RM:
http://www.newyorksocialdiary.com/i/partypictures/07_29_08/watermill26.jpg
A very very good spot Steve - now you've mentioned I'm amazed that nobody has twigged and mentioned it before. Is Stop Shouting actually Sebastien Sainsbury? They share the same initials so maybe this is his way of tipping us the wink? Or is Stop Shouting involved in broking the deal? Clandestine meetings in tax havens, mysterious mentions of pictures on walls, the playboy lifestyles, mixing in the same high society circles - it makes complete sense that they would know each other at the very least.
This is getting interesting now. Prague - can you do some digging into Stop Shouting's background - it could provide the link we're looking for.
On the takeover subject, if either SS or RM would like to utilise my negotiating skills, then I do have recent experience and success in broking a rather high profile football deal. Feel free to whisper me.
I've heard from a reliable source that Seb S was spotted going into a casino on Saturday night after the Barnet game with his minder. Go on, cards on the table, did you go to a casino on saturday night? Were you meeting Seb S in there? Did he get his driver to give you a lift home? Don't hold back on us now.
I bet David O'Leary has got a fair idea!
LOFL!
didn't southampton build a statue of him?
My question is, how long can Richard keep us afloat before he is forced to lower his standards, or contemplate the dreaded word Administration ?
Not the case anymore. Most of the debt (around £7m) is a mortgage. RM can only go back to the well so many times and will need some help sooner rather than later.
So while Murray holds all the shares,he has not got total control of debt,therefore will not be able to decide alone what deal is done.
No wonder Murray gave him the old heave ho.
Ridsdaleis this old? (Ridsdale launching 11 million buyout?)
http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/ex-leeds-chairman-ridsdale-lines-charlton-offer-1239461