[cite]Posted By: nth london addick[/cite]i didnt start the thread mascott i was mearly saying we are still here nothing in my mind has changed, winning 2 games does not make him a good manager, i think and i have said well done to, him hats off he set the team out well and i do not hold him at all accountable for the 3 goals conceded last week,
i wanted him to go when we were 2nd in the league last season and it was rumoured reading were looking,
i wouldnt want him here if we do get promoted as i think he has proved when we were in the championship that he couldnt cut it.
i dont hate the bloke, i agree with what everyone says nice guy, trys hard.
if we dont go up this year then we may as well all move to oz because the club will be in a real mire and we may not even have a club due to the crippling state we would find ourselves, do you think muzza gave him money for benson,abbott, the wages for reid,dailey,martin,semedo,racon just to survive and stay in the 3rd division,
no he gave him it to get us up and that is ultimately what he will be judged on,
he needs to continue the form he has shown in the last 2 games and i reckon that they are 2 of the toughest you could ask for in this league carlise away is never easy and weds at home will always be hard.
so i gave him what he deserved
and that was credit.
it wont be fans that get parky the sack it will be himself and i would put my house on if we are not still as close to promotion come xmas as we are now then he wont be given the back end of the season to sort it out,
i dont even thnk he will get his contract renewed if we do go up
Yeah, I reckon he's bound to be sacked if we get promotion, it's the only sensible decision.
Any team that gets promoted should sack their manager immediately.
The 50 different threads when we lose are tedious and those that berate other fans ie "Parky fans justify that result" or "Does anyone think Parky is a good manager" are unduly provocative and point scoring.
But by the same token we've only won two in a row. Yes, we did very well, PP seems to be addressing the issues post Brighton and players are stepping up to the plate and taking responsibility but it is still only two games.
Far too early to try and score points back, in fact it's not needed at all. Just get behind the manager and team and give them the credit for what they are doing well.
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]The 50 different threads when we lose are tedious and those that berate other fans ie "Parky fans justify that result" or "Does anyone think Parky is a good manager" are unduly provocative and point scoring.
But by the same token we've only won two in a row. Yes, we did very well, PP seems to be addressing the issues post Brighton and players are stepping up to the plate and taking responsibility but it is still only two games.
Far too early to try and score points back, in fact it's not needed at all. Just get behind the manager and team and give them the credit for what they are doing well.
Yes, the classy response when you're right about something is to not mention it. It's up to other people who disagreed to come and tell you you were right and they were wrong. Shuving it down people's throats just makes you look a bit of an arse.
Besides, we won't know who was right and who was wrong until May.
I wasn't calling for him to leave but 2 wins don't suddenly mean he is a great manager and that everythings going to be okay, certainly far too premature for this thread.
[cite]Posted By: mascot88[/cite]Parky is a contradicition, he is hated becasue expectation is STILL too high and actually his record is pretty fricken strong...
i don't think he is hated at all despite you constantly repeating it. i think it's more a case of a some people questioning whether he is good enough for the task at hand and a few people coming to their conclusion that he's not. there's just no hatred attached.
Agree.
I don't think there is any hatred involved.
Now, some people that had dealings with Pardew may have felt differently about him.
But I don't get the sense that people don't want Parky to succeed, only question whether he is good enough to meet their expectations.
The way Parky was hired ... from Pardew's staff, after a failed caretaker spell, then relegation ... is something that he may never overcome with a large segment of supporters. Certainly not without promotion.
[cite]Posted By: Dazzler21[/cite]Not hated? We have a number of fans calling him a prick etc?
I think the original statement was made about comments on this board.
Not about heat of the moment comments from the stands after a 4-0 home loss.
Unless those are comments from here that I missed?
well let me rephrase that then... the negatives.. the people who are negative towards him... in internet speak ... thats haters, the moaners, the whingers, the criers, etc... those ones...
The fact that people blame him for relegation itself when pardew had burnt the liferafts I still find stagerring , particularly when you negativity should be based at the board for not going outside the regime...
Whne you have a demotivated squad full of misfits from otehr clubs on a tail spin being hated(negative) booed by the fans every week and you then sack the money grabber who help on for his 800k and promote from within you lose the impact of bringin in someone from the outside (deja vu, have we discussed this before)
So, just to keep it simple, you can expect a slower change, one that we have now achieved with 4 loses in 30 plus games or whatever it is....
Maybe we can bore ourselves futher by having a coinversation about who his replacement should be... after he beats another 2 promotion rivals ...
Or even better who we are gonna replace him with the moment he gets us promoted.
And would you tell him before or after we opened the champagne, on the pitch maybe??
well after the brighton game i said he deserves more time, and at the moment im glad he has been given it. Granted, 2 wins dont make a season. Either way why cant we just drop this debate and wait and see what has happened by the end of the season
And I said he should have been sacked.
Of course we cannot drop this debate. If the like of me and many others are proved wrong and we win promotion all well and good but until we do, under who ever, we have to keep talking about it.
Look at Liverpool, in the bottom 3 of the Prem for a few weeks, they win and still are in the relegation zone last week, that really hurts. Today they win agian and are 11th or 12th, I can't be bothered to check. Do you think that the majority of Liverpool fans are now suddenly happy with Hodgson? Of course they are not and he will be gone by Christmas, everyone knows that.
So now we are 1 point of 2nd but still just 2 points off 12th, the table changes so much early on in the season. We need a new direction now. Sadly we cannot afford a change so we'll just have to go with what we've got.
A bad spell and a drop away from the playoff zone and the calls for Parky's head will get louder.
A couple of wins settles things down.
It's all temporary. The most recent result or two will determine which way the Parky Pendulum is swinging.
His mission is promotion. His contract is up at the end of the season.
If he doesn't complete that mission, or it appears that he can't and the possibility is slipping away, then he needs to go (and we can afford to replace him; under those circumstances we can't afford not to replace him).
But if we are within striking distance of going up, he should stay. And if he gets us up, he'd deserve a new contract.
If he lasts the season, and we are not promoted, then his time would be up. He'd have had two full cracks at this woeful division, managing a club that still has more resources than the vast majority of opponents.
Some pro Parky fans are doing the 'I told you so' bit but, perhaps the ones calling for his head gave him the wake up call he needed. It certainly galvanised the players to make a better effort and tell the fans they would be going all out for a result at Carlisle. The attitude from Parky also from his comments showed this malaise that had been with us from the start of the season had to come to an end. Hence "No more excuses for the players" etc
I want Parky to succeed for the clubs sake but anyone who thinks the performances that lead up to the Brighton game are ok and that there isn't going to be criticism are living with there heads in the sand.
This is not the time to be talking about Parky, it's like a seesaw, up with a win and down with a defeat. The priority for me right now would be to add some good tactical know how to the Coaching team, that might just be the extra ingredient that we need to hit an automatic place. Surely last years play off performance should be a spur.
[cite]Posted By: Granpa[/cite]This is not the time to be talking about Parky, it's like a seesaw, up with a win and down with a defeat.
Exacty that. This early in the season no one has been proven right or wrong about Parky.
After the Brighton game I was wondering if he was just not going to get enough out of these players. He's got a reaction from the team but the next test is to start getting results more consistently.
Only two ways I can see him going before the end of the season is if we go on a terrible run or we are taken over and they want a new manager.
[quote][cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: Granpa[/cite]This is not the time to be talking about Parky, it's like a seesaw, up with a win and down with a defeat.[/quote] Exacty that. This early in the season no one has been proven right or wrong about Parky.
After the Brighton game I was wondering if he was just not going to get enough out of these players. He's got a reaction from the team but the next test is to start getting results more consistently.
Only two ways I can see him going before the end of the season is if we go on a terrible run or we are taken over and they want a new manager.[/quote]
I said something similar a little while ago.
In the keep Parkinson poll I said he should have 2-3 games, he's had 2 of them and won them both and should be congratulated for getting the right response from the players.
Having said that, my opinion of him hasn't changed, I still don't think he's very good. The only thing that will change my view is promotion out of this two bob league.
Stupid thread. I still believe that we may well be better off with someone else at the helm, and that doesn't change as a result of a couple of wins or a couple of defeats. Strange that people who get so worked up about so-called reactionaries are so reactionary...
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Maybe we could all have the same conversation again... that woulld be good...
cover off the alternatives...
Cover off whether he should have done better under the conctrants .....
triffic...
Yeah, I reckon he's bound to be sacked if we get promotion, it's the only sensible decision.
Any team that gets promoted should sack their manager immediately.
Wibble wibble wibble.
But by the same token we've only won two in a row. Yes, we did very well, PP seems to be addressing the issues post Brighton and players are stepping up to the plate and taking responsibility but it is still only two games.
Far too early to try and score points back, in fact it's not needed at all. Just get behind the manager and team and give them the credit for what they are doing well.
There, that should please Valley11.
Yes, the classy response when you're right about something is to not mention it. It's up to other people who disagreed to come and tell you you were right and they were wrong. Shuving it down people's throats just makes you look a bit of an arse.
Besides, we won't know who was right and who was wrong until May.
Agree.
I don't think there is any hatred involved.
Now, some people that had dealings with Pardew may have felt differently about him.
But I don't get the sense that people don't want Parky to succeed, only question whether he is good enough to meet their expectations.
The way Parky was hired ... from Pardew's staff, after a failed caretaker spell, then relegation ... is something that he may never overcome with a large segment of supporters. Certainly not without promotion.
I think the original statement was made about comments on this board.
Not about heat of the moment comments from the stands after a 4-0 home loss.
Unless those are comments from here that I missed?
The fact that people blame him for relegation itself when pardew had burnt the liferafts I still find stagerring , particularly when you negativity should be based at the board for not going outside the regime...
Whne you have a demotivated squad full of misfits from otehr clubs on a tail spin being hated(negative) booed by the fans every week and you then sack the money grabber who help on for his 800k and promote from within you lose the impact of bringin in someone from the outside (deja vu, have we discussed this before)
So, just to keep it simple, you can expect a slower change, one that we have now achieved with 4 loses in 30 plus games or whatever it is....
Maybe we can bore ourselves futher by having a coinversation about who his replacement should be... after he beats another 2 promotion rivals ...
Or even better who we are gonna replace him with the moment he gets us promoted.
And would you tell him before or after we opened the champagne, on the pitch maybe??
Of course we cannot drop this debate. If the like of me and many others are proved wrong and we win promotion all well and good but until we do, under who ever, we have to keep talking about it.
Look at Liverpool, in the bottom 3 of the Prem for a few weeks, they win and still are in the relegation zone last week, that really hurts. Today they win agian and are 11th or 12th, I can't be bothered to check. Do you think that the majority of Liverpool fans are now suddenly happy with Hodgson? Of course they are not and he will be gone by Christmas, everyone knows that.
So now we are 1 point of 2nd but still just 2 points off 12th, the table changes so much early on in the season. We need a new direction now. Sadly we cannot afford a change so we'll just have to go with what we've got.
A couple of wins settles things down.
It's all temporary. The most recent result or two will determine which way the Parky Pendulum is swinging.
His mission is promotion. His contract is up at the end of the season.
If he doesn't complete that mission, or it appears that he can't and the possibility is slipping away, then he needs to go (and we can afford to replace him; under those circumstances we can't afford not to replace him).
But if we are within striking distance of going up, he should stay. And if he gets us up, he'd deserve a new contract.
If he lasts the season, and we are not promoted, then his time would be up. He'd have had two full cracks at this woeful division, managing a club that still has more resources than the vast majority of opponents.
Then it actually would be all about "results."
I want Parky to succeed for the clubs sake but anyone who thinks the performances that lead up to the Brighton game are ok and that there isn't going to be criticism are living with there heads in the sand.
After the Brighton game I was wondering if he was just not going to get enough out of these players. He's got a reaction from the team but the next test is to start getting results more consistently.
Only two ways I can see him going before the end of the season is if we go on a terrible run or we are taken over and they want a new manager.
Exacty that. This early in the season no one has been proven right or wrong about Parky.
After the Brighton game I was wondering if he was just not going to get enough out of these players. He's got a reaction from the team but the next test is to start getting results more consistently.
Only two ways I can see him going before the end of the season is if we go on a terrible run or we are taken over and they want a new manager.[/quote]
I said something similar a little while ago.
In the keep Parkinson poll I said he should have 2-3 games, he's had 2 of them and won them both and should be congratulated for getting the right response from the players.
Having said that, my opinion of him hasn't changed, I still don't think he's very good. The only thing that will change my view is promotion out of this two bob league.