I think we need to go into the loan market and get another couple of winger’s in. Neither Waggy nor Reid seems to produce anything when they start, yet when they come on especially Reid he looks different class. I know a lot of fans blame the partnership of Racon and Semdo, but game after game Waggy produces nothing and same for Reid when they start. I know Waggy has come up with a few goals this season, but how many decent crosses does he get over a game. I honestly can’t remember one.
As for the other so called winger/striker/behind the striker/centre midfield Lee Martin he has been awful in whatever position he has played, yes he runs around a lot but his attacking play has been well and truly shocking. His final ball is awful. Again with him I think the only time he might make an impact is if he comes off the bench. I know everyone has been really excited with him because his a skilful player but he just doesn’t produce time and time again. You can see why Roy Keane shipped him out to us.
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If we start winning the ball in midfield, and passing early to the wingers, or holding the ball up front for the wingers to join-in, then they might get some proper service. Otherwise, they have no chance.
Granted Waggy has scored 4 goals, but his crosses for the strikers has been non exsitent and hasnt got the ability to beat his man. Like I said with Reid he only seems to produce his best form when he comes off the bench which he has proved in the last 2 games. when ever he has started he has looked poor, hopefully that was down to his injury problems
Unsurprised to hear a Charlton fan complaining about wingers, though. Same old same old.
Agree you can see why Keane has got Martin out on loan.
Sam might well have looked better with the 3 strikers we have now who all need crosses. Last season only Sodje was really the type of striker who played that way. The rest generally preferred it into feet.
Do agree it's partly down to the rest of the team as well, though I don't see the 3 wingers we have as the type to regularly put crosses in, even if they had plenty of the ball. With the strikers we have we need them to do that though.
Unsurprised to hear a Charlton fan complaining about wingers, though. Same old same old.[/quote]
Its not that they are bad players, they just dont seem to be able to play well when they start.
Its easy to say he scores goals and he should start.
But when he stops scoring goals he offers nothing. Then we are simply playing with an extra body - like Francis.
Wagstaff is very on off, but seems to struggle when starting, and lacking strength wise.
Think they need more support from the defence..
I personally prefer Reid to Waggy, he boosts the side imo.. p.s. who was that winger Brentford had that was constantly beating our defenders on the left? guy had very good pace and made our team look conference level at best.
I stand by what I say - Reid's our most creative outlet (2 assists with crosses last night) and Wagstaff is scoring frequently.
HOW ON EARTH COULD YOU DROP EITHER OF THEM?!
I've never understood his treatment of Reid - the boy must play.
I stand by what I say - Reid's our most creative outlet (2 assists with crosses last night) and Wagstaff is scoring frequently.
HOW ON EARTH COULD YOU DROP EITHER OF THEM?!
I've never understood his treatment of Reid - the boy must play.
How about read the post properly, I never said anything about there ability, all that I said was whenever they start they never do anything, and Wagstaff proved that last night as he was awful, ok he scored with what it seemed like his first touch in the second half,but thats not going to work for us all the time, as his goals will dry up then he will just look like a passenger.
Reid was quality last night he started off a bit slow but in the second half was brilliant, if he can produce that form week in week out when he starts then great. So if he can produce that form when starting Consistently then we cant ask for any more than that.
The treatment Reid gets from Parky is not justified. Last year he was benched far too often and this year he's been in and out too.
Our wingers I repeat, are not our problem.
He came on in a game after an injury and got injured again straight away. There was another game three days later where Reid himself said he was only fit enough to be on the bench and had to come on to win us the game. There was another game four days after that and he started on the bench due to fitness more than ability. He is now seemingly back to fitness and started - and it worked.
If he started at MK Dons he could have screwed up the injury and who knows how long he'd be out for? I think Parky has played the situation expertly.
however, as correctly stated, he's not an old-fashioned winger who will beat his full-back and get a cross in so Parky needs to think about how to utilise him to get the best out of him for the team
whether he needs to play more centrally like Walcott does for Arsenal or off Abbott in a 4-5-1 I'm not sure but Parky gets well paid so it's up to him to earn his money, make the correct choice and get us back up into the Top Six
'swhat he said.
In the 1st half he played some good balls but it was obvious that the MK Dons RB was far worse than their LB, so I guess in the 2nd half they were told to feed Reid, I remember one move where Semedo/Racon came out of the defence , had Waggy free on the R with Reid and Jackson marked on the L, the pass went L. Yes the fullbacks coiuld be better and let's hope that Solly & Youga are back soon, but don't blame Waggy for nor performing when he isn't given the ball.
That being said, last year Reid was clearly not fit as well - he was like Lloyd Sam after 60 minutes!
Agree with this.
Wagstaff was awful ........?
In the first half he was without a doubt our most dangerous player.
After half time, it appeared the instruction was for the midfield to feed Reidy on the left - and so most of our attacks came through Reidy who saw much more of the ball than Wagstaff.
Even without much of the ball in the second half, Waggy played his part well. Didn't you see how he was positionally sound keeping the all important team shape, making the runs off the ball to draw opponents and create space for the team mate in possession, then tracking and covering to ensure that Francis and Semedo inside him weren't exposed?
I don't mean to be critical, but you do seem to give the impression that when watching a game you just follow the ball, rather than see the big picture of team shape, how each player has his own job to do, and plays to specific management instructions.
And that 90% of a player's vital performance in a game is without the ball.