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right Midfield

edited August 2010 in General Charlton
I really think we need a right midfielder, i dont think wagstaff has the ability no. Solly offered more down the right than he did today. Reid tore there right back to shreds and was dangerous wagstaff just seems energetic but to not much effect. If we are to do well this season then we need a new right midfielder who is going to hurt teams.

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  • lee martin
  • We missed Lloyd Sam.
  • Bizarre.

    We had four different players play wide right today and Francis can play there too.

    Last position we need another player for.
  • yh we need to focus on strikers
  • [cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]We missed Lloyd Sam.
    We'd be a better team with Sam over Wagstaff but we have another option now in Martin.

    It's a great opportunity for Wagstaff now to push on and hopefully he'll start having more effect when starting games. Didn't see a lot of the ball to be fair to him.
  • [cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]Bizarre.

    We had four different players play wide right today and Francis can play there too.

    Last position we need another player for.

    Not really Henry, two of those players were right backs and another was a striker. We've only got one specialist right midfielder, and he's a young lad who's not really up to it yet.

    I would agree, a skillful and creative right midfielder would improve us greatly - Sam was our main creative outlet last season and we haven't replaced him - Waggy is a completely different type of player and we can't expect Reid to do it all every week.
  • edited August 2010
    Think Martin is more a midfielder than striker Exiled. Also Reid can play right and we now have Smart who plays left. Agree with Henry. I think we have plenty of options for right and left midfield for first time in years.
  • [cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]We missed Lloyd Sam.


    no we bloody didnt
  • edited August 2010
    Well, Wagstaff wasn't exactly on fire but let's not rule him out for a whole season based on the opening game.

    Martin looked very good (control/pace/speed) but I think the opposition had run out of steam at the time he came on and that may have been a factor.
  • I agree with Oggy that we missed Lloyd Sam as he unlocks defences but Reidy didn't do badly especially 1st half.

    That said leave Waggy alone! The main reason he didn't show too much in attack is that he spent most of his time helping Solly out. Not intended as a dig at Solly either before people jump in! Two young relatively inexperienced players played it in a fashion that worked for them and, with 3 points in the bag, yesterday it worked for the team too.

    Whether it will every week is another thread!
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  • [cite]Posted By: LenGlover[/cite]I agree with Oggy that we missed Lloyd Sam as he unlocks defences but Reidy didn't do badly especially 1st half.

    That said leave Waggy alone! The main reason he didn't show too much in attack is that he spent most of his time helping Solly out. Not intended as a dig at Solly either before people jump in! Two young relatively inexperienced players played it in a fashion that worked for them and, with 3 points in the bag, yesterday it worked for the team too.

    Whether it will every week is another thread!

    I think Solly coped really well yesterday BUT it was clear to me that Bournemouth were targeting attacking HIM down that wing, possibly as our weakness because he is young.

    As it happens he did pretty well but I think that he will over a season be targeted and may not cope so well against better opposition.
  • OS describes him as a Attacker SHG and he looked like a final third type player to me yesterday - not sure he's going to be starting too many games on the right of a 4 man midfield, especially with Reid down the left. I expect he'll either play right wing in a 4-5-1/4-3-3 or will be the deeper lying player in a front 2 behind Abbott or Akpo

    As I said on the post match thread, for all the talk of strikers, I worry where the assists are going to come from, Reidy aside. If Martin plays off a front man he may help with that, but I still think right midfield is a real weak link. I just don't fancy Wagstaff at the moment (really hope he proves me wrong) and I don't think we can rely on one of our two right backs stepping up to the role - Solly's still finding his feet in his preferred position and if Farncis were to make right midfield his own that would just leave us short at right back.
  • [cite]Posted By: LenGlover[/cite]
    That said leave Waggy alone! The main reason he didn't show too much in attack is that he spent most of his time helping Solly out. Not intended as a dig at Solly either before people jump in!

    That and the fact he couldn't trap a bag of cement at times! ;-)
  • Waggy did just fine for me yesterday, i think him and Solly know eachothers games so well that they will be learning and developing together and i like that..

    Reidy was excellent and Martin is a totally different style of player to Waggs,

    Reid and Martin will enjoy playing together two pees from the same pod, tricky and real speed merchants where as Waggs is pure speed and direct.. right now i know that i am really happy with our 3 wide players and we will not miss Sam
  • I liked Sam but I think his replacements are absolutely fine and much better than I was expecting.
  • Sams gone so forget about him and keep off Waggys back.

    I was impressed by McCormacks display and thought that Abbots movement off the ball was good.

    Considering that some of the players have only recently met each other,there should be room for great improvement.
  • Waggy & Solly understandably are both small & lightweight. They WILL be targeted every game IMO and they won't cope as well as they did yesterday against a poorish team.

    I regret to say that neither are quite good enough IMO if we are looking to be promoted. Yes, they are good enough if we want to scrape into or just miss out on the play offs.

    If you think they are good enough, ask yourself whether you would expect Soton, Sheff W or Hudds to try and sign them to improve their teams.

    I believe you would not expect that.
  • Maybe PP should use Waggy as an impact sub later in the game as he did last season,when he can really use his pace against a tiring defence.
  • Harsh assessment of Sally & Woggy, Mr Covered End.

    How old are they, how many starts have they had between them......?
    But they do work well together - but of course they don't have the experience that older players have.

    Experience, eh? Priceless.

    And the only way a player can gain experience ....... is to play matches.
  • Yep we did miss Lloyd Sam, Waggy isn't a starter for me so as soon as Martin is match fit would start him and bring Waggy on for last 20-30 mins

    I agree think main concern is a couple of strikers, as others have said we have quite a few who can play right midfield- solly actually looked good there aswell
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  • edited August 2010
    [cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]Harsh assessment of Sally & Woggy, Mr Covered End.

    How old are they, how many starts have they had between them......?
    But they do work well together - but of course they don't have the experience that older players have.

    Experience, eh? Priceless.

    And the only way a player can gain experience ....... is to play matches.

    I agree, play them both all season by all means, but don't expect promotion if we do. I think I've seen every game that Waggy has started and can't remember him playing really well. His better perfomances have been when he has come on as a sub (by far).

    Solly did really well yesterday because a lot of folk were expecting him to perform poorly. His problem is his height and weight - regardless of what anyone says it is a problem. If he was 6'2" and weighed 12'7" it would be a different matter and he wouldn't get pushed off the ball so easily (like Mooney).
  • edited August 2010
    [cite]Posted By: Covered End[/cite]Waggy & Solly understandably are both small & lightweight. They WILL be targeted every game IMO and they won't cope as well as they did yesterday against a poorish team.

    I regret to say that neither are quite good enough IMO if we are looking to be promoted. Yes, they are good enough if we want to scrape into or just miss out on the play offs.

    If you think they are good enough, ask yourself whether you would expect Soton, Sheff W or Hudds to try and sign them to improve their teams.

    I believe you would not expect that.

    I Agree to some extent exiled, but solly was our best player yesterday and showed great maturity. dont see him being a starter once francis has some games under his belt but at the momment after that performance its his to lose
  • We offered no attacking threat at all from the right hand side.
    Seemed to me Waggy went missing at times leaving Solly to battle gamely as the only option out wide right.
    Not condemning him but long term we need him to step up his game a little.
    As Reidy's threat tapered off later in the game we started to look as toothless as Bournemouth creatively, although obviously the game plan changed after the sending off
  • When Solly went forward it was Waggys job to drop back and cover him.
  • [cite]Posted By: CafcAndy[/cite]I don't think we miss Lloyd Sam at all. He rarely peformed and the stats speak for themself.
    What stats? He scored or set up 14 goals last season, only Burton produced more. That's not including goals he played a big part in the move, such as Bailey's volley against Millwall.

    If Reid and Wagstaff can add assists to their goals, Martin can score and/or create chances we won't miss him. If teams stop Reid and others don't create enough we could well miss him.
  • He was but so are most wingers, Reid wasn't good every game and neither was Wagstaff. I'd agree he didn't have enough good games but over the season the stats do show he did produce.

    Wagstaff scored 4 goals in the league, same as Sam, but obviously less games. He didn't get any assists though.

    Sam did frustrate but he was right up there as one of our main threats and is now playing Championship football.
  • [cite]Posted By: Covered End[/cite]Solly did really well yesterday because a lot of folk were expecting him to perform poorly.
    Not quite sure what you mean there?
    Surely Solly did so well yesterday because he really got stuck in .....and showed his ability, despite his disadvantage physically?

    [cite]Posted By: Covered End[/cite]I agree, play them both all season by all means, but don't expect promotion if we do. I think I've seen every game that Waggy has started and can't remember him playing really well. His better perfomances have been when he has come on as a sub (by far).
    IMO at this stage of the season, I don't think people are really expecting Solly to establish himself as 1st choice - but he has the shirt, and his dedication to the cause is apparent for all to see.

    Francis has been signed no doubt as 1st choice RB .....as PotY for Southend last year, and several years solid experience at this level, he's obviously proved himself a steady and sound player.

    But now we have 2 hungry players competing for the shirt - how bad is that.?


    Waggy? Good combination with Solly, they compliment each other well - but agree with you that generally his best performances have come as impact sub when the game gets stretched and opens up late on.

    It's good for both these young players to get a chance early on - but probably as the season unfolds they'll revert to squad players. That's fine, they earn a little experience and we know'll they'll provide decent back up when needed.
  • Ref Waggy and Solly it is unfair to say they wont cope against better oponants lets wait to see if they can
  • Waggy seems to have a problem getting involved early on in games that he starts. That's something that will improve with experience and when his team mates start believing in his ability and feeding him more of the the ball. Once this starts happening he'll be one hell of a player. It's very important at this stage that the management and fans stick with him and give him time to gain confidence.
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