I try do several away games every season but since Im up north makes getting to some a bit difficult especially when they're on like a Tuesday night, however improving away attendances depends on the teams form, you'll always get a core of 'die-hards' who'll always show at away games but getting more people at games is mainly through winning games, only thing fans can really do on this is encourage more people to go but with the costs of games and that I doubt it'd be that successful.
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]Away club doesn't get any cut of away ticket sales.
There is some levy across all games but it pays peanuts.
Didn't say the club gets a cut of the ticket sales, but does the club have to pay out for an order of tickets? That's the only reason I can think why the club regularly gets a small initial allocation and then looks for more tickets when they're sold.
If so, then more away fans = more of the tickets sold = less money lost on paying the other club for the tickets = more money for the club.
Money saved is money gained.
Yes, away matches should be able to accommodate all fans. Not necessarily right beside each other, but in groups. People who want to stand and sing should be beside one another, while people who would prefer to sit should be able to stay away from them and enjoy the match themselves. It should be possible for both groups to peacefully coexist, and both groups should think about the other side when they do what they do.
[cite]Posted By: Harveys Trainer[/cite]The last few away games I've been to ive been abused by our own fans for not standing and singing. At 65 and with 50 years support behind me I'm not going to put up with it.
Therefore my suggestion if you want a better away following is to vet fans to be more welcoming and not treat the away stand soley like an extension of the north upper.
I am not advocating or condoning personal abuse but personally the second sentence of your post just makes me wince
This little exchange sums it up quite nicely.
Unless you behave in a certain fashion at away matches (where there are more than two men and a dog) expect abuse. Standing and drunkenly abusing those who want to watch the match appears to be de rigeur.
Why would anybody who likes to watch the game they have shelled out hard earned money for subject themselves to being treated like a common criminal and herded and searched only to be abused in the way Harvey's Trainer has described?
Our Club gets little or no benefit from away attendances so why are so many bothered about them?
Seems odd abusing a 65 year old bloke for not standing & signing. Sound like right wallies.
But I'm guessing you didn't pack out every away game last season so what's baffling me is why the people who want to sit & watch don't just sit at the front or find some space...those who wish to stand, sing and barrack the players/home fans stand at the back or to the side closest to the home fans mouthy representatives.
Cos you tend to stand places and get people going "thats my seat you're in"...Its an away game, no one cares about seat numbers, its not sold out, go sit somewhere else, its not like a magnet is attracting you to that exact seat
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]Away club doesn't get any cut of away ticket sales.
There is some levy across all games but it pays peanuts.
Didn't say the club gets a cut of the ticket sales, but does the club have to pay out for an order of tickets? That's the only reason I can think why the club regularly gets a small initial allocation and then looks for more tickets when they're sold.
If so, then more away fans = more of the tickets sold = less money lost on paying the other club for the tickets = more money for the club.
Money saved is money gained.
I believe you're correct.
A club will buy an initial tranche of tickets, say 500 for Oldham away....if they only sell 300 then they can't send the 200 back as far as I know....obviously if they sell 400+ they'll look to buy another 250 and so on.
I know that happens at Millwall as generally we can't pay on the day, but I assume every away game last year Charlton could pay on the day anyway?
problem is SLL when we do sell out it becomes a problem. Some fans can't seem to accept that on these occasions if they are standing in front of a 70 yr old man who has to sit and can't stand then they should do the decent thing and sit for once. For the 70 yr old to be abused and called a c**t by a fellow fan is unbelievable but it happens. As a result fans stop going and the lunatics take over the asylum.
[cite]Posted By: NathanPrior[/cite]Cos you tend to stand places and get people going "thats my seat you're in"...Its an away game, no one cares about seat numbers, its not sold out, go sit somewhere else, its not like a magnet is attracting you to that exact seat
tell you what Nathan, why don't you go and stand somewhere else next time eh ?
[cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]problem is SLL when we do sell out it becomes a problem. Some fans can't seem to accept that on these occasions if they are standing in front of a 70 yr old man who has to sit and can't stand then they should do the decent thing and sit for once. For the 70 yr old to be abused and called a c**t by a fellow fan is unbelievable but it happens. As a result fans stop going and the lunatics take over the asylum.
Again I assume that's because the irregular away followers enter the ground clutching their ticket and search up & down the stairs and rows for their exact seat so you get everyone mingled together rather than people sitting where they like and gravitating to the front or back as required.
Still, that doesn't give anyone an excuse to dig out someone who wants to sit down etc. Just I suppose an unwritten rule needs to develop where you discard seat numbers and those that stand do so at the back, those that sit do so towards the front.
Andy, that is all well and good and I agree. However, the problem comes when we have sold out, as we did a few times last season, you are already sitting in row 5 and then some knumskull who turns up late with a seat in front of you then decides he wants to stand and by then has no where else to move to. Then if you complain you get abuse for it. On these occasions the person who wants to stand has to bite the bullet and sit imo or, alternatively, get in the ground earlier to sit elsewhere. You'd have a point if the person wanting to sit was in Row Z but it isn't always the case.
The long and the short of it is that we won't get good away followings until the majority are willing to stand up to the mindless minority, or if there is a choice of places to sit / stand.
unfortunately i will only be attending 1 home game in the first3 months bournemouth , but like markwebb24 said if you book in advance you can get great offers on public transport. I have already got my train tickets for huddersfield tranmere exeter brentford and plymouth. This season I will do about 3 home games and around 14 away.
We won't be selling out many away matches this season, Large. And your hypothetical scenario is absolute nonsense, as I think you would know yourself (a latecomer who wants to stand is far more likely to go right to the back and push others in than straight into the last remaining free seat in row 4). Unreserved seating, as many have said already, is the way to go. If ALL fans (not just the group you're not a member of) treat the number on their ticket as only a rough guide, then there wouldn't be that kind of problem in even the more marginal cases.
EDIT- none of this is an excuse for people to dig out fellow fans.
Our support away i must admit if its not a london, Derby, or Local-ish game, can be at most times poor, last season i went to about 10/11 away games (Tranmere-Hartlepool-Leeds-Colchester-Brighton-Southend-Layton-TheDen-Walsall-Gillingham-Southampton) Walsall we took about 500/600 , and only about 100 sang, i also have rekonised most of our away supporters to the games outside of london are mainley elder people, who much prefer to sit down drink there flask of tea and just watch the game (No problem in that if thats what u want to do) so more people who enjoy singing and like a sing song need to try and get to more away games, that means better atmosfear less moaning bla bla bla, if u cant afford the train just do what i do, Match ticket £24, Coach ticket £16-20 sitting in a coach for 8 hours then watching charlton beat hartlepool away , PRICELESS!:D
And over to what Andy was saying i agree, Unreserve seating is the way forward, like my self im someone who likes to stand at the back and have a sing song, At the end of the day,if u want to sit, sit near the front, if you want to stand, go towards the back of the stand, simple Anyone got there layton orient tickets yet?
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Didn't say the club gets a cut of the ticket sales, but does the club have to pay out for an order of tickets? That's the only reason I can think why the club regularly gets a small initial allocation and then looks for more tickets when they're sold.
If so, then more away fans = more of the tickets sold = less money lost on paying the other club for the tickets = more money for the club.
Money saved is money gained.
Yes, away matches should be able to accommodate all fans. Not necessarily right beside each other, but in groups. People who want to stand and sing should be beside one another, while people who would prefer to sit should be able to stay away from them and enjoy the match themselves. It should be possible for both groups to peacefully coexist, and both groups should think about the other side when they do what they do.
Seems odd abusing a 65 year old bloke for not standing & signing. Sound like right wallies.
But I'm guessing you didn't pack out every away game last season so what's baffling me is why the people who want to sit & watch don't just sit at the front or find some space...those who wish to stand, sing and barrack the players/home fans stand at the back or to the side closest to the home fans mouthy representatives.
Tends to work itself out quite nicely.
I believe you're correct.
A club will buy an initial tranche of tickets, say 500 for Oldham away....if they only sell 300 then they can't send the 200 back as far as I know....obviously if they sell 400+ they'll look to buy another 250 and so on.
I know that happens at Millwall as generally we can't pay on the day, but I assume every away game last year Charlton could pay on the day anyway?
tell you what Nathan, why don't you go and stand somewhere else next time eh ?
Again I assume that's because the irregular away followers enter the ground clutching their ticket and search up & down the stairs and rows for their exact seat so you get everyone mingled together rather than people sitting where they like and gravitating to the front or back as required.
Still, that doesn't give anyone an excuse to dig out someone who wants to sit down etc. Just I suppose an unwritten rule needs to develop where you discard seat numbers and those that stand do so at the back, those that sit do so towards the front.
EDIT- none of this is an excuse for people to dig out fellow fans.
Anyway, it's a bad idea. OK. Fair enough.
And over to what Andy was saying i agree, Unreserve seating is the way forward, like my self im someone who likes to stand at the back and have a sing song, At the end of the day,if u want to sit, sit near the front, if you want to stand, go towards the back of the stand, simple Anyone got there layton orient tickets yet?