we said this a number of times last season. In a pre season game when you are playing triallists anyway why not give him a trial up front. Sometimes you need to think outside the box, mark of a good Manager/coach.
A couple of goals does not make a forward, how will he be with his back to goal and a defender tight on him? He's used to it being the other way round. Its different when there's 10 minutes left and you need a goal, you sling him up there and keep getting the ball into the box. In reality no team can play like that for 90 minutes. What about his positional play and making runs off the ball, its completely different playing up front than clearing everything thats gets knocked into your box. I'm not saying he couldn't do it i'm saying there's a good chance he cant and a couple of goals dont change that. He's clearly played football for a number of years so do you not think one of his coaches would have picked up what a good forward he would make?
I agree with uncle, not convinced he'd make a good striker for a whole game. Wouldn't want to see him start net to Akpo, two awkward players, could imagine that being awful to watch.
If it didn't work even in a friendly, there'd be people saying Llera's 29/30, too old to change position, too slow can't dribble, why isn't Parky getting basics right like playing players in their best position.
[quote][cite]Posted By: uncle[/cite]A couple of goals does not make a forward, how will he be with his back to goal and a defender tight on him? He's used to it being the other way round. Its different when there's 10 minutes left and you need a goal, you sling him up there and keep getting the ball into the box. In reality no team can play like that for 90 minutes. What about his positional play and making runs off the ball, its completely different playing up front than clearing everything thats gets knocked into your box. I'm not saying he couldn't do it i'm saying there's a good chance he cant and a couple of goals dont change that. He's clearly played football for a number of years so do you not think one of his coaches would have picked up what a good forward he would make?[/quote]
you might have a point there, what good's a striker if all he can do is score goals...
[cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]we said this a number of times last season. In a pre season game when you are playing triallists anyway why not give him a trial up front. Sometimes you need to think outside the box, mark of a good Manager/coach.
Don't you think, Llera having spent a year at the club, that he wouldn't already have played up front in training and practice games ...... ?
Management would already have a fair idea what Llera's capable of - which is no doubt why they are happy to push him up front for the last 10 minutes chasing a game ........ but never starting him there.
[quote][cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]we said this a number of times last season. In a pre season game when you are playing triallists anyway why not give him a trial up front. Sometimes you need to think outside the box, mark of a good Manager/coach.[/quote]
Don't you think, Llera having spent a year at the club, that he wouldn't already have played up front in training and practice games ...... ?
Management would already have a fair idea what Llera's capable of - which is no doubt why they are happy to push him up front for the last 10 minutes chasing a game ........ but never starting him there.[/quote]
maybe i've forgotten a few things over the mists of time but i don't recall killer doing much else during a game other than having tunnel vision for trying to score goals and run through anybody daft enough to get in his way...a defender who seems to have a eye for goal might just fit that bill perfectly because he's not going to roll over when a defender tries to tackle him...as for coaches knowing his best position i can just see it now, oi llera, you're a big lad and we've only got little fellas in our team so you can be a central defender and whatever you dont stray too far from that position unless we've got a free kick or corner or its the last 5 minutes and we're losing by the odd goal...
[cite]Posted By: uncle[/cite]A couple of goals does not make a forward, how will he be with his back to goal and a defender tight on him? He's used to it being the other way round. Its different when there's 10 minutes left and you need a goal, you sling him up there and keep getting the ball into the box. In reality no team can play like that for 90 minutes. What about his positional play and making runs off the ball, its completely different playing up front than clearing everything thats gets knocked into your box. I'm not saying he couldn't do it i'm saying there's a good chance he cant and a couple of goals dont change that. He's clearly played football for a number of years so do you not think one of his coaches would have picked up what a good forward he would make?
you might have a point there, what good's a striker if all he can do is score goals...
Excellent well thought out argument.....Just exactly how many goals has he scored playing up front all season? Oh thats right you dont know because none of the teams he's played for have been able to see what a fantastic forward he would make, yet strangely you can. If you are not a scout for a major club then your talents are wasted
[cite]Posted By: uncle[/cite]A couple of goals does not make a forward, how will he be with his back to goal and a defender tight on him? He's used to it being the other way round. Its different when there's 10 minutes left and you need a goal, you sling him up there and keep getting the ball into the box. In reality no team can play like that for 90 minutes. What about his positional play and making runs off the ball, its completely different playing up front than clearing everything thats gets knocked into your box. I'm not saying he couldn't do it i'm saying there's a good chance he cant and a couple of goals dont change that. He's clearly played football for a number of years so do you not think one of his coaches would have picked up what a good forward he would make?
you might have a point there, what good's a striker if all he can do is score goals...
Excellent well thought out argument.....Just exactly how many goals has he scored playing up front all season? Oh thats right you dont know because none of the teams he's played for have been able to see what a fantastic forward he would make, yet strangely you can. If you are not a scout for a major club then your talents are wasted
Yeh, keep your opinions to yourself - don't you know who you're talking too.
There is always one thing in my mind when the possibility of Llera upfront is discussed- THAT goal vs Swindon... a better finish than I saw any of our 'strikers' pull off!
[quote][cite]Posted By: thenewbie[/cite]There is always one thing in my mind when the possibility of Llera upfront is discussed- THAT goal vs Swindon... a better finish than I saw any of our 'strikers' pull off!
Not to say he could do it regularly but still....[/quote]
#because he cannot do it regularly, that is why he can be used in the last 10 minutes as an emergency striker.
[cite]Posted By: thenewbie[/cite]There is always one thing in my mind when the possibility of Llera upfront is discussed- THAT goal vs Swindon... a better finish than I saw any of our 'strikers' pull off!
Not to say he could do it regularly but still....
Unfair on the strikers. Burton's lobs against Hartlepool and Orient, Mooney's goals against Gillingham and Swindon, plus others I've no doubt forgotten.
Defenders score good goals every year. That doesn't mean you should suddenly play them up front. Completely agree with Uncle's assessment above- there's so much more to being a good forward than just kicking the ball at goal.
I'm all for thinking outside the box in order to solve problems. The conversion of centre halves to centre forward and visa versa has happened very successfully on numerous occasions before. Christian Dailly started as a forward as did King Arthur who later converted into great centre halves. Carl Leaburn did it the other way around as did Paul Warhurst for Sheff Weds who went on to win an England cap as a centre forward. Played alongside the right partner upfront it could work. We know that he's good in the air, has a terrific shot and can finish cooly. He doesn't need the quick feet of Wayne Rooney to play up front in the third division. He'd need to score a few with his head, nod down a few for his strike partner to run onto and create a problem for opposing defenders. What's to lose in giving it a try in a friendly ?
[cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]we said this a number of times last season. In a pre season game when you are playing triallists anyway why not give him a trial up front. Sometimes you need to think outside the box, mark of a good Manager/coach.
Don't you think, Llera having spent a year at the club, that he wouldn't already have played up front in training and practice games ...... ?
probably has and probably bangs them in from all angles. I just doubt our management team would think to actually give it a go.
From the Shelvey article in the Mail it sounds like we're as adventurous on the training pitch as we were in the majority of games last season ie not very.
[cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]probably has and probably bangs them in from all angles. I just doubt our management team would think to actually give it a go.
No, of course not, Large.
I'm sure you are absolutely right. It wouldn't have occurred to any of the management/coaching team to let Llera play as a striker in full practice games or even 5-a-side.
Ever thought of applying for the next coaching vacancy at Sparrows Lane?
I'm sure your knowledge and experience of the game would prove vastly superior, compared to professionals with 20 years experience of actually playing and coaching.
[cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]probably has and probably bangs them in from all angles. I just doubt our management team would think to actually give it a go.
No, of course not, Large.
I'm sure you are absolutely right. It wouldn't have occurred to any of the management/coaching team to let Llera play as a striker in full practice games or even 5-a-side.
Ever thought of applying for the next coaching vacancy at Sparrows Lane?
I'm sure your knowledge and experience of the game would prove vastly superior, compared to professionals with 20 years experience of actually playing and coaching.
at last we agree on something ;-))
I mean, when did you ever manage a team to victory at The Valley !!
This is a load of bull, just cos llera can hit a reasonable shot now and again doesn't warrant him going upfront!
His movement isn't the best in defence so to think that he would get in good positions up front just wouldn't happen, dont think he could hold up the ball either, no pace
I'd sooner have daily up front then llera, its not a bad thing in the last 10 minutes but for the whole game would be ridiclous
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So's syphillis.
(I know, I've repeated myself there - but wanted to open myself up to ridicule in front of a wider audience)
If it didn't work even in a friendly, there'd be people saying Llera's 29/30, too old to change position, too slow can't dribble, why isn't Parky getting basics right like playing players in their best position.
you might have a point there, what good's a striker if all he can do is score goals...
Don't you think, Llera having spent a year at the club, that he wouldn't already have played up front in training and practice games ...... ?
Management would already have a fair idea what Llera's capable of - which is no doubt why they are happy to push him up front for the last 10 minutes chasing a game ........ but never starting him there.
Don't you think, Llera having spent a year at the club, that he wouldn't already have played up front in training and practice games ...... ?
Management would already have a fair idea what Llera's capable of - which is no doubt why they are happy to push him up front for the last 10 minutes chasing a game ........ but never starting him there.[/quote]
maybe i've forgotten a few things over the mists of time but i don't recall killer doing much else during a game other than having tunnel vision for trying to score goals and run through anybody daft enough to get in his way...a defender who seems to have a eye for goal might just fit that bill perfectly because he's not going to roll over when a defender tries to tackle him...as for coaches knowing his best position i can just see it now, oi llera, you're a big lad and we've only got little fellas in our team so you can be a central defender and whatever you dont stray too far from that position unless we've got a free kick or corner or its the last 5 minutes and we're losing by the odd goal...
Excellent well thought out argument.....Just exactly how many goals has he scored playing up front all season? Oh thats right you dont know because none of the teams he's played for have been able to see what a fantastic forward he would make, yet strangely you can. If you are not a scout for a major club then your talents are wasted
Yeh, keep your opinions to yourself - don't you know who you're talking too.
Not to say he could do it regularly but still....
Not to say he could do it regularly but still....[/quote]
#because he cannot do it regularly, that is why he can be used in the last 10 minutes as an emergency striker.
Unfair on the strikers. Burton's lobs against Hartlepool and Orient, Mooney's goals against Gillingham and Swindon, plus others I've no doubt forgotten.
Defenders score good goals every year. That doesn't mean you should suddenly play them up front. Completely agree with Uncle's assessment above- there's so much more to being a good forward than just kicking the ball at goal.
exactly. Does anyone know for sure that he wasn't originally a CF converted to a CH by someone else. I doubt Parky has asked.
probably has and probably bangs them in from all angles. I just doubt our management team would think to actually give it a go.
No, of course not, Large.
I'm sure you are absolutely right. It wouldn't have occurred to any of the management/coaching team to let Llera play as a striker in full practice games or even 5-a-side.
Ever thought of applying for the next coaching vacancy at Sparrows Lane?
I'm sure your knowledge and experience of the game would prove vastly superior, compared to professionals with 20 years experience of actually playing and coaching.
at last we agree on something ;-))
I mean, when did you ever manage a team to victory at The Valley !!
His movement isn't the best in defence so to think that he would get in good positions up front just wouldn't happen, dont think he could hold up the ball either, no pace
I'd sooner have daily up front then llera, its not a bad thing in the last 10 minutes but for the whole game would be ridiclous
Game, set and match to Large!
Can't argue with your managerial record at The Valley ....... and proud myself to be a member of your winning team that day. *big grin*