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No coloured boots and hard men

Bexley DanBexley Dan
edited July 2010 in General Charlton
I'm liking this more and more. Not allowed to wear coloured boots until you're in the first team and a first team full of hard men who wouldn't allow you to wear coloured boots. I like this. We're ditching the frilly pampered prem / foreign fancy boy crap that's torn the spine out of the club and replacing it with a bit of british grit. It could be argued that we're just cutting our cloth but whatever you call it, i like it. We may not rollover so easy in the cup and might get the ball down the flanks and in the box a bit more. Route 1 if you like but i don't mind that. I've seen enough ineffective sliding about of the ball over the last few years. Let's go route one and bully our way out of this division if we have to. This might be a rose tinted way of looking at it but so what - a few players we as fans can identify a bit more with won't go a miss.
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  • Oggy RedOggy Red
    Yep, agree ..... we're proper hardcore Third Division now.

    OohAaaaaaaagh! will be pleased.
  • CharltonparklaneCharltonparklane
    What sort of example is it to the youth though that the 1st team fall over the ball in their shitty luminous boots????

    Yeah, when you get in the 1st team you can wear poncy coloured boots like the 'Hard Men'

    Get the jist of your post though.

    *must ditch my gold total 90s before the season starts*
  • Red5Red5
    Well said.
    yeah! Pussies out - Lions in! ROAAARR! (Puffs up and beats chest like king Kong)
    [cite]Posted By: Bexley Dan[/cite]I'm liking this more and more. Not allowed to wear coloured boots until you're in the first team and a first team full of hard men who wouldn't allow you to wear coloured boots. I like this. We're ditching the frilly pampered prem / foreign fancy boy crap that's torn the spine out of the club and replacing it with a bit of british grit. It could be argued that we're just cutting our cloth but whatever you call it, i like it. We may not rollover so easy in the cup and might get the ball down the flanks and in the box a bit more. Route 1 if you like but i don't mind that. I've seen enough ineffective sliding about of the ball over the last few years. Let's go route one and bully our way out of this division if we have to. This might be a rose tinted way of looking at it but so what - a few players we as fans can identify a bit more with won't go a miss.
  • CharltonparklaneCharltonparklane
    [quote][cite]Posted By: Red5[/cite]Well said.
    yeah! Pussies out - Lions in! ROAAARR! (Puffs up and beats chest like king Kong)

    Yep, Come on you Lions
  • Bexley DanBexley Dan
    Whatever - i think you're kidding yourselves if you don't think what this club needs is a bit of up and at em spirit. We've got bullied out of things for the last 3 seasons and if the supposed 'quality' of football has to suffer until we can get ourselves on an even keel then so be it. Not sure why this has to be associated with Lions? Up until the last few years i've always associated Charlton with playing honest, hardworking football and the reaction from the crowd when Scott Parker cleaned somebody out tells you all you need to know. Second division french players aren't the way forward.
  • guinnessaddickguinnessaddick
    edited July 2010
    [cite]Posted By: Bexley Dan[/cite] replacing it with a bit of british grit.

    Not sure if you can call the ginger pele or McCormack, british.
  • Saga LoutSaga Lout
    Unless statistics built up over a season lie, we had a very good L1 side last season. The players we had were obviously hard enough for the 3rd tier - I'm not sure we'll have a better team or one more suited to the division when season 10/11 starts, but I live in hope (a little place between Sidcup and Bexley!).
  • Bexley DanBexley Dan
    British enough - to be fair, the british bit is irrelevant and i'm certainly not anti foreign players because they are foreign if you know what i mean but i think you need a core of british players, particularly in the lower leagues. How many of our 85 and 98 promotion teams were foreign and certainly there was a strong work ethic and a few hard men scattered throughout them sides. If there is one common theme that i would say has ran through all the Charlton sides, probably since the likes of Rufus, Parker, Kiely, Brown, Kinsella, Robinson left is that the team has lacked soul and if we can re build that, then we can get back to what Charlton is all about.
  • Bexley DanBexley Dan
    [quote][cite]Posted By: Saga Lout[/cite]Unless statistics built up over a season lie, we had a very good L1 side last season. The players we had were obviously hard enough for the 3rd tier - I'm not sure we'll have a better team or one more suited to the division when season 10/11 starts, but I live in hope (a little place between Sidcup and Bexley!).[/quote]

    in my opinion, that team was never going to get promoted last year. It never quite had it. We never rolled any teams over really. How often did you come out of the valley on the back of a resounding victory. that should happen if you are going to go up. We grafted a team together but we never really had a centre forward (Burton was our only forward and he was half injured), Sam dissapeared when it got tough and had no end product, we had no 'proper' centre half and no midfield playmaker. We're probably going to be worse next season so there will be no point trying to play frilly football but maybe we can play effective football.
  • GRAY9GRAY9
    I agree a team of battlers that chase everything and work hard, don't bottle challenges and get stuck in.
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  • Saga LoutSaga Lout
    [cite]Posted By: Bexley Dan[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Saga Lout[/cite]Unless statistics built up over a season lie, we had a very good L1 side last season. The players we had were obviously hard enough for the 3rd tier - I'm not sure we'll have a better team or one more suited to the division when season 10/11 starts, but I live in hope (a little place between Sidcup and Bexley!).

    in my opinion, that team was never going to get promoted last year. It never quite had it. We never rolled any teams over really. How often did you come out of the valley on the back of a resounding victory. that should happen if you are going to go up. We grafted a team together but we never really had a centre forward (Burton was our only forward and he was half injured), Sam dissapeared when it got tough and had no end product, we had no 'proper' centre half and no midfield playmaker. We're probably going to be worse next season so there will be no point trying to play frilly football but maybe we can play effective football.

    I agree with almost all of what you say, but one way or another they got us to within one win of automatic promotion - from what I've seen so far, our best players are leaving in droves and the occasional replacement we're picking up is not of the same quality. I would be delighted to be completely wrong about this. Nothing would delight me more than seeing a committed Charlton team kicking their way out of this godawful division.
  • nollynolly
    british enough? lol
  • ScohamScoham
    [cite]Posted By: GRAY9[/cite]I agree a team of battlers that chase everything and work hard, don't bottle challenges and get stuck in.
    Fine as long as we have ability on the ball to go with it.
  • Bexley DanBexley Dan
    [quote][cite]Posted By: nolly[/cite]british enough? lol[/quote]

    football team - not a political debate.
  • nollynolly
    stop talking nonsense then
  • Bexley DanBexley Dan
    are you going to explain or will it be boring?
  • nollynolly
    cheers.
  • Kap10Kap10
    [quote][cite]Posted By: Bexley Dan[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: Saga Lout[/cite]Unless statistics built up over a season lie, we had a very good L1 side last season. The players we had were obviously hard enough for the 3rd tier - I'm not sure we'll have a better team or one more suited to the division when season 10/11 starts, but I live in hope (a little place between Sidcup and Bexley!).[/quote]

    in my opinion, that team was never going to get promoted last year. It never quite had it. We never rolled any teams over really. How often did you come out of the valley on the back of a resounding victory. that should happen if you are going to go up. We grafted a team together but we never really had a centre forward (Burton was our only forward and he was half injured), Sam dissapeared when it got tough and had no end product, we had no 'proper' centre half and no midfield playmaker. We're probably going to be worse next season so there will be no point trying to play frilly football but maybe we can play effective football.[/quote]

    Well we came bloody close.
  • Lewis CoachesLewis Coaches
    Bexley Ken
    You have brought up a very good point.Lennie Lawrence side of 85 had seven 7 new signings,most of whom were Northern Grit.George Shipley, John Humphrey, Mark Reid, John Pender, Steven Thompson, John Pearson and the 7th was a Welshman. Following year he brought in Peter Shirtliff a bit a northern British grit, didn't do us too much harm back in those days. In fact, the harm was done to the opposition.
  • Lewis CoachesLewis Coaches
    Sorry, BEXLEY DAN, of course. My mistake.
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  • oohaahmortimeroohaahmortimer
    [cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: GRAY9[/cite]I agree a team of battlers that chase everything and work hard, don't bottle challenges and get stuck in.
    Fine as long as we have ability on the ball to go with it.

    exactly scoham and it's limited ability we're left with
  • Bexley DanBexley Dan
    and it was a bit of muscle in Danny Mills and Eddie Youds that gave us the final push in 98.
  • ValleyGaryValleyGary
    [cite]Posted By: Bexley Dan[/cite]and it was a bit of muscle in Danny Mills and Eddie Youds that gave us the final push in 98.

    or the 28 goals scored by super clive. our whole strike force wont get that many this year.
  • Oggy RedOggy Red
    [cite]Posted By: Bexley Dan[/cite]in my opinion, that team was never going to get promoted last year. It never quite had it. We never rolled any teams over really. How often did you come out of the valley on the back of a resounding victory. that should happen if you are going to go up.

    Most teams that get promoted don't often roll teams over, they grind out results and get some defensive consistancy.

    And then once in a while they get a 2 goal early lead, sit on it for a while as opponents must then take defensive risks coming at them trying to retrieve a game - and then pick them off on the counter.


    Time and time again last season, Charlton dominated long spells without that killer instinct in front of goal.

    No doubt you can think of a whole string of games that happened where it cost us points......home against Southampton, Oldham, Tranmere, Gillingham, Norwich, etc.. And away against Yeovil, Walsall, Huddersfield and others. .....not to mention the 2nd leg of the play off semi !

    It wasn't even the soft goals we sometimes conceded, but the chances created that went begging.
    That's what we need to put right this season.
  • Harveys TrainerHarveys Trainer
    It's deluded to think we were 'bullied' out of the league, we simply we not good enough (although only just not good enough). British, French or Martian makes no difference, and aggression only gets you so far. We need a team who can play well together, end of.

    Curbs teams never played dirty football and we did alright then.

    If we keep searching for excuses we will perform as badly (or worse) this year.
  • Bexley DanBexley Dan
    We have no money so if we couldn't outplay teams (as we couldn't last year) then it is unrealistic to think we will this year as the better players are being sold off.We never really controlled games last year because we had no proper midfield playmakers, allied to all the other deficiencies. I'd like to see a good attacking, flowing football team. I'm trying to look on the bright side here. The other way of looking at it, logically, is we are going to have a nightmare of a season. At least we seem to be trying to get some battlers in because that is what we're going to need.
  • ScohamScoham
    [cite]Posted By: Harveys Trainer[/cite]It's deluded to think we were 'bullied' out of the league, we simply we not good enough (although only just not good enough). British, French or Martian makes no difference, and aggression only gets you so far. We need a team who can play well together, end of.
    Agree, well said. The teams that went up had a bit of everything about them. We lacked a goalscorer, but there were other times we should have defended better.
  • McLovinMcLovin
    If the internet had been around in the 70s people would have been moaning about moving from boots that weighed about 6 lbs to the modern kangaroo skin type. People can't cope with change, I recall the press being full of outrage when the backpass rule was introduced. Commentators and journalists don't really know enough about the game (in general) to talk coherently about it so they just whine about youngsters wearing a different style of boot and that's then echoed by the masses. Instead of banning coloured boots we should try taking our chances and cutting out errant passes.
  • charltonkestoncharltonkeston
    [cite]Posted By: McLovin[/cite]If the internet had been around in the 70s people would have been moaning about moving from boots that weighed about 6 lbs to the modern kangaroo skin type. People can't cope with change, I recall the press being full of outrage when the backpass rule was introduced. Commentators and journalists don't really know enough about the game (in general) to talk coherently about it so they just whine about youngsters wearing a different style of boot and that's then echoed by the masses. Instead of banning coloured boots we should try taking our chances and cutting out errant passes.

    sort of agree with you but real footballers wear black boots.
  • Bexley DanBexley Dan
    boot colour is sort of a minor point but i think it actually represents something that is wrong in football these - too many posers more interested in waxing there chests and having daft pictures tattoed on themselves - doesn't quite sit with my image of a proper centre half and midfield general. And no, we didn't get completely bullied out of things the last 3 years although on occassions we did but we also we weren't that good and so if we're losing the better players then we've got to try something different and for me i'm happy if we're bringing in what you might call some old school grit.
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