Johnny Robinson ..... I know he was becoming a spent force, especially at Prem level - but he'd given 10 years good service, and epitomised what Charlton were all about.
Not everyones cup of tea, perhaps ......... but this is is a player who played to his manager's instructions, got slagged off by the crowd for doing so, and ran through brick walls for the club.
And Nelson Mandela went to his wedding.
But I'll never forget his home debut - 2 goals against Man Utd. And the winner at Anfield, in a historic Charlton victory.
The 2 cracking goals he scored at 3 Point Lane against the Spuds, then got sent off for handling the ball on the line.
And that stunningly brilliant volley against Leicester - Rooney eat your heart out!
Totally underated player, such a vital cog in so many of Curbishley's Prem League sides.
And a scapegoat for many of our fans seemingly unaware as to what Shaun Bartlett, unselfishly sacrificing his own natural game, brought to the team,
[cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]And a scapegoat for many of our fans seemingly unaware as to what Shaun Bartlett, unselfishly sacrificing his own natural game, brought to the team,
What would you have said his own natural game was? Do you mean not playing up front on his own?
IMO Bartlett's natural game was best epitomised by his home debut against Man Utd ..... as a striker that thrived on a decent service in the air, as his 2 goals illustrated. Remember JJ breaking free on the right wing early on and swinging over a wonderful cross that Bartman rose and headed home perfectly? 1-0 Charlton.
United were on a run of 8 consecutive wins.
Then with a fired up Johnny Robinson pushing United back, Kinsella's free kick being met by Bartlett leaping to glance the ball in the net for 2-3. Bartlett was simply the traditional centre forward that day.
But often after that, most of his games I remember, were sacrificing himself as the lone forward up front.
IMO Bartlett's natural game was best epitomised by his home debut against Man Utd ..... as a striker that thrived on a decent service in the air, as his 2 goals illustrated. Remember JJ breaking free on the right wing early on and swinging over a wonderful cross that Bartman rose and headed home perfectly? 1-0 Charlton.
United were on a run of 8 consecutive wins.
Then with a fired up Johnny Robinson pushing United back, Kinsella's free kick being met by Bartlett leaping to glance the ball in the net for 2-3. Bartlett was simply the traditional centre forward that day.
But often after that, most of his games I remember, were sacrificing himself as the lone forward up front.
He was always our man just outside the box for opposition corners, even when the opposition had two or three defenders back. Whenever we cleared the ball went over him and straight to the opposition. I would have put him on the halfway line - but as said above, he did what he was told (not a criticism).
IMO Bartlett's natural game was best epitomised by his home debut against Man Utd ..... as a striker that thrived on a decent service in the air, as his 2 goals illustrated. Remember JJ breaking free on the right wing early on and swinging over a wonderful cross that Bartman rose and headed home perfectly? 1-0 Charlton.
United were on a run of 8 consecutive wins.
Then with a fired up Johnny Robinson pushing United back, Kinsella's free kick being met by Bartlett leaping to glance the ball in the net for 2-3. Bartlett was simply the traditional centre forward that day.
But often after that, most of his games I remember, were sacrificing himself as the lone forward up front.
He was always our man just outside the box for opposition corners, even when the opposition had two or three defenders back. Whenever we cleared the ball went over him and straight to the opposition. I would have put him on the halfway line - but as said above, he did what he was told (not a criticism).
Completely disagree with that. Bartlett was as good as a central defender in the work he did at opposition corners and free kicks, in fact I can't think of a better 'striker' in that position.
Was really sorry to see Paolo go when he did, but we had to let him go i suppose as it was his dream to play for Lazio at the end of his career, was nearly in tears when i heard he was leaving.
Also Jay Bothroyd and Chris Perry should never of been released in 2006 but maybe they both wanted to go perhaps?
[cite]Posted By: I-SAW-POUSO-PLAY[/cite]Also Jay Bothroyd and Chris Perry should never of been released in 2006 but maybe they both wanted to go perhaps?
I think Dowie thought we could do better, he was aiming for Europe with us playing exciting football with big powerful players like Faye and JFH...
Was a while before Bothroyd did anything, but we ended up going into the season with only four strikers, including an injury prone Lisbie.
Dowie I guess didn't realise it was players like Perry that were so reliable for us and kept us comfortably in mid table.
But werent it announced before Dowie took over that these players werent having their contracts renewed? I thought it was murray at first who wanted rid of them and also brought in Sorondo and Gibbs.
Bartlett and Bougherra. Bartlett's hold up play was amazing. Something we havent had since. Especially with useless lumps like iwelumo with his teflon feet. Also Bougherra was a big loss at the time.
Hreidarsson is another one, I know he had a relegation clause but would have been one of the best defenders in the Champ.
Likewise McCarthy, he could have a donkey moment but the fact we went into 08/09 with 3 CBs, one of which Primus who had no played in a year and Fortune who spent over half the season injured, showed Paddy would have been valuable.
[cite]Posted By: cafcdan18[/cite]Hreidarsson is another one, I know he had a relegation clause but would have been one of the best defenders in the Champ.
Good old Herman, how many times has he been relegated now?!
IMO Bartlett's natural game was best epitomised by his home debut against Man Utd ..... as a striker that thrived on a decent service in the air, as his 2 goals illustrated. Remember JJ breaking free on the right wing early on and swinging over a wonderful cross that Bartman rose and headed home perfectly? 1-0 Charlton.
United were on a run of 8 consecutive wins.
Then with a fired up Johnny Robinson pushing United back, Kinsella's free kick being met by Bartlett leaping to glance the ball in the net for 2-3. Bartlett was simply the traditional centre forward that day.
But often after that, most of his games I remember, were sacrificing himself as the lone forward up front.
He was always our man just outside the box for opposition corners, even when the opposition had two or three defenders back. Whenever we cleared the ball went over him and straight to the opposition. I would have put him on the halfway line - but as said above, he did what he was told (not a criticism).
Completely disagree with that. Bartlett was as good as a central defender in the work he did at opposition corners and free kicks, in fact I can't think of a better 'striker' in that position.
But he wasn't employed a central defender. As we had two perfectly good centre backs why would you employ a striker in that position.
At corners he was often just outside the box so wasn't a full on defender and was unable to pick up the ball as a forward once it was cleared. My comment underlines the fact that he was a team player who did what he was asked by the manager. I always thought that we wasted his outlet at opposition corners.
shelvey for me. never saw the best of him as we have a manager who never used him properly as an attacking midfield player which is the position hes supposed to play.
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Seriously though, I always rated Kishishev.
Steve Brown, ditto.
Bothroyd
Kish
Not everyones cup of tea, perhaps ......... but this is is a player who played to his manager's instructions, got slagged off by the crowd for doing so, and ran through brick walls for the club.
And Nelson Mandela went to his wedding.
But I'll never forget his home debut - 2 goals against Man Utd. And the winner at Anfield, in a historic Charlton victory.
The 2 cracking goals he scored at 3 Point Lane against the Spuds, then got sent off for handling the ball on the line.
And that stunningly brilliant volley against Leicester - Rooney eat your heart out!
Totally underated player, such a vital cog in so many of Curbishley's Prem League sides.
And a scapegoat for many of our fans seemingly unaware as to what Shaun Bartlett, unselfishly sacrificing his own natural game, brought to the team,
IMO Bartlett's natural game was best epitomised by his home debut against Man Utd ..... as a striker that thrived on a decent service in the air, as his 2 goals illustrated. Remember JJ breaking free on the right wing early on and swinging over a wonderful cross that Bartman rose and headed home perfectly? 1-0 Charlton.
United were on a run of 8 consecutive wins.
Then with a fired up Johnny Robinson pushing United back, Kinsella's free kick being met by Bartlett leaping to glance the ball in the net for 2-3. Bartlett was simply the traditional centre forward that day.
But often after that, most of his games I remember, were sacrificing himself as the lone forward up front.
He was always our man just outside the box for opposition corners, even when the opposition had two or three defenders back. Whenever we cleared the ball went over him and straight to the opposition. I would have put him on the halfway line - but as said above, he did what he was told (not a criticism).
Completely disagree with that. Bartlett was as good as a central defender in the work he did at opposition corners and free kicks, in fact I can't think of a better 'striker' in that position.
Also Jay Bothroyd and Chris Perry should never of been released in 2006 but maybe they both wanted to go perhaps?
I think Dowie thought we could do better, he was aiming for Europe with us playing exciting football with big powerful players like Faye and JFH...
Was a while before Bothroyd did anything, but we ended up going into the season with only four strikers, including an injury prone Lisbie.
Dowie I guess didn't realise it was players like Perry that were so reliable for us and kept us comfortably in mid table.
I suppose we never thought Gibbs and Sorondo would have injury problems, nor that Diawara would struggle to settle at first.
JJ, Bartlett and Jeffers were released before he came.
Likewise McCarthy, he could have a donkey moment but the fact we went into 08/09 with 3 CBs, one of which Primus who had no played in a year and Fortune who spent over half the season injured, showed Paddy would have been valuable.
Good old Herman, how many times has he been relegated now?!
who?
Bartlett was a good player, but i think we were right to release him when we did.
But he wasn't employed a central defender. As we had two perfectly good centre backs why would you employ a striker in that position.
At corners he was often just outside the box so wasn't a full on defender and was unable to pick up the ball as a forward once it was cleared. My comment underlines the fact that he was a team player who did what he was asked by the manager. I always thought that we wasted his outlet at opposition corners.
Ermmmm Morts............. is that a joke?
With Di Canio, I was hacked off that he went, but it was his decision not CAFC's.
With Lisbie, it just seemed the right time for him to move on.
We should've kept Fortune - another strange decision by the board/management.
Paddy McCarthy should have stayed to play with Mark Hudson.