[cite]Posted By: Kap10[/cite]Curbs weakness was his man management, imho, his strength his tactical ability as epitomised by continued tactical changes as circumstances changed in the play off final. Without tactical ability I really don't think an under resourced club like charlton would have achieved the top flight status we did.
All that 97-98 promotion season, Les Reed was the tactical influence at Charlton.
I've no doubt Les Reed played his part in that Wembley success too.
As did Mendonca and Illic. No man is an island, even curbs.
I know player's performances on the park are tactics made manifest - but rather than players' performances, I thought we were discussing management tactical awareness, Kap?
And if we had won that promotion, would some fans still be berating Parky now?
i would, like i said pre season and when we were top if someone was to come in for parky i would be more than happy for him to go.
i dont buy all this BS that we were already down when parky took over FT, we had 70+ points to play for,
This season he threw a way our chances of promotion with some poor tactical decisions and an unwillingness to try to win games from drawing positions.
his negativity caught up with the fans, his lack of utilisation of the best footballer in the team and his constant use of players out of position when we had players in those positions on the bench.
had his poor run been at the begining of the season and not mid season i reckon he would have been sacked and we could well have been sitting in the chumpionship right now
yes players let us down but they are his players his team his decisions,
Personally, i feel you are overstating the 'division in support'. Though there are not too many who are fully signed up too him, i think the vast majority are cautiously supportive.
I never wanted him to get the job in the first place, and i would have backed a change last summer. Now ? I'm pretty firmly against changing to be honest.
I like the guy. I think he has decent values and i'm not convinced we can attract any better at present. We didn't get promoted, but i quite enjoyed the Charlton team that took the field this season, and felt i could relate to it fairly well.
Not got time to read all the posts on here at the mo so will catch up later.
Off the top of my own head, I would say that Parky has done reasonably well. The only thing that held us back from gaining automatic promotion was the lack of a consistent goalscorer and, working within the budgetary restraints he has been, it was always going to be a tough ask to get one in. Perhaps, with hindsight, one of Bailey, Jonjo or Racon should have been sacrificed in the summer to try and fund a move for someone like Barnard.
Imo, without outside investment to sort out the finances, I think the next couple of years are going to be about restructuring the club from top to bottom. That will mean, from a playing perspective, job #1 will be to keep us in at least League 1 with a view to trying to sneak into the playoffs through organisation and hard work, rather than through flair and out and out quality. That might sound horribly unambitious, but I find it hard to see how we can realistically aim for anything more without an injection of cash or until we've at least had 2 to 3, maybe even 5, years or prudence and book balancing. The worst thing that could happen is we go the way of a Bradford, Luton or Oxford.
With that in mind, I think Parky's pragmatic approach may be just what we need. Whether he's the finest exponent of managing on a budget, I don't know, but I think his use of the free transfer and loans market, as well as the way he's set about making us a tight unit who are hard to beat, demonstrates he is at least pretty good at it. Also, with the exception of one horrible day at the Toolbox, he had the players up for the big games (we turned up for all the games against sides around us).
With all that in mind, my opinion would be better the devil we know on this one. If the investment we're all praying for comes in, I might re-assess, but it would still depend on if we had oodles of cash to spend or if the debt was just being written off.
The post-mortem of last season brings to mind the following:-
We never really were able to dominate games, unless the oppo took their foot off the gas Most games were won or lost by the odd goal and we rarely used the option of pace upfront We still look unable to defend solidly, and our quality midfielders are often over-run We resort to the long ball too readily, when we do have posession there seems to be no set plan - we get it out wide too slowly then try to keep possession without trying to hurt the opposing side
Contrast to the Blackpool side of mainly journeymen. They passed in small groups with the man in possession having a choice of at least two players within ten yards to pass to. The commentators standard comment "defending with two banks of four" never applies to Parky's sides because the defence don't move up and back with the midfield so we're chasing the gaps.
I think we are likely to have at least two of Moo2, McLeod and Christensen on our books next season, so the budget will be stretched very tight. We'll have more of the above short-comings but with less talent on the field to do the good things. It would be interesting to know what targets Parky has been set by the board.
[cite]Posted By: harveys gardener[/cite]I think we are likely to have at least two of Moo2, McLeod and Christensen on our books next season, so the budget will be stretched very tight. We'll have more of the above short-comings but with less talent on the field to do the good things. It would be interesting to know what targets Parky has been set by the board.
Christensen went last August and has since moved on to another club. Though Fleetwood is another we want to get rid of along with those other two.
[quote][cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: Kap10[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: Kap10[/cite]Curbs weakness was his man management, imho, his strength his tactical ability as epitomised by continued tactical changes as circumstances changed in the play off final. Without tactical ability I really don't think an under resourced club like charlton would have achieved the top flight status we did.[/quote]
All that 97-98 promotion season, Les Reed was the tactical influence at Charlton.
I've no doubt Les Reed played his part in that Wembley success too.[/quote]
As did Mendonca and Illic. No man is an island, even curbs.[/quote]
I know player's performances on the park are tactics made manifest - but rather than players' performances, I thought we were discussing management tactical awareness, Kap?[/quote]
Good point, but we were alsotalking about Curbs overall tactical nous and nopt just at the play off final. Of course we will never know but I would accept an argument that in the play off final it was a joint effort between curbs and Uncle Les,but I do think after Uncle left youhave to give Curbs credit for some tactical nous winning the Div 1 title and then keeping us in the Premier League without few scares throughout his tenure.
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I know player's performances on the park are tactics made manifest - but rather than players' performances, I thought we were discussing management tactical awareness, Kap?
Personally, i feel you are overstating the 'division in support'. Though there are not too many who are fully signed up too him, i think the vast majority are cautiously supportive.
I never wanted him to get the job in the first place, and i would have backed a change last summer. Now ? I'm pretty firmly against changing to be honest.
I like the guy. I think he has decent values and i'm not convinced we can attract any better at present. We didn't get promoted, but i quite enjoyed the Charlton team that took the field this season, and felt i could relate to it fairly well.
Off the top of my own head, I would say that Parky has done reasonably well. The only thing that held us back from gaining automatic promotion was the lack of a consistent goalscorer and, working within the budgetary restraints he has been, it was always going to be a tough ask to get one in. Perhaps, with hindsight, one of Bailey, Jonjo or Racon should have been sacrificed in the summer to try and fund a move for someone like Barnard.
Imo, without outside investment to sort out the finances, I think the next couple of years are going to be about restructuring the club from top to bottom. That will mean, from a playing perspective, job #1 will be to keep us in at least League 1 with a view to trying to sneak into the playoffs through organisation and hard work, rather than through flair and out and out quality. That might sound horribly unambitious, but I find it hard to see how we can realistically aim for anything more without an injection of cash or until we've at least had 2 to 3, maybe even 5, years or prudence and book balancing. The worst thing that could happen is we go the way of a Bradford, Luton or Oxford.
With that in mind, I think Parky's pragmatic approach may be just what we need. Whether he's the finest exponent of managing on a budget, I don't know, but I think his use of the free transfer and loans market, as well as the way he's set about making us a tight unit who are hard to beat, demonstrates he is at least pretty good at it. Also, with the exception of one horrible day at the Toolbox, he had the players up for the big games (we turned up for all the games against sides around us).
With all that in mind, my opinion would be better the devil we know on this one. If the investment we're all praying for comes in, I might re-assess, but it would still depend on if we had oodles of cash to spend or if the debt was just being written off.
We never really were able to dominate games, unless the oppo took their foot off the gas
Most games were won or lost by the odd goal and we rarely used the option of pace upfront
We still look unable to defend solidly, and our quality midfielders are often over-run
We resort to the long ball too readily, when we do have posession there seems to be no set plan - we get it out wide too slowly then try to keep possession without trying to hurt the opposing side
Contrast to the Blackpool side of mainly journeymen. They passed in small groups with the man in possession having a choice of at least two players within ten yards to pass to. The commentators standard comment "defending with two banks of four" never applies to Parky's sides because the defence don't move up and back with the midfield so we're chasing the gaps.
I think we are likely to have at least two of Moo2, McLeod and Christensen on our books next season, so the budget will be stretched very tight. We'll have more of the above short-comings but with less talent on the field to do the good things. It would be interesting to know what targets Parky has been set by the board.
All that 97-98 promotion season, Les Reed was the tactical influence at Charlton.
I've no doubt Les Reed played his part in that Wembley success too.[/quote]
As did Mendonca and Illic. No man is an island, even curbs.[/quote]
I know player's performances on the park are tactics made manifest - but rather than players' performances, I thought we were discussing management tactical awareness, Kap?[/quote]
Good point, but we were alsotalking about Curbs overall tactical nous and nopt just at the play off final. Of course we will never know but I would accept an argument that in the play off final it was a joint effort between curbs and Uncle Les,but I do think after Uncle left youhave to give Curbs credit for some tactical nous winning the Div 1 title and then keeping us in the Premier League without few scares throughout his tenure.