How close southend are to joing them and what impact will it have on the league results, i see they have been given 35 days to sort out the problem or be wound up
Incidentally 35 days would take them well into mid April, that's only 3 weeks before the end of the season. I'm pretty sure the football league would let them finish the season rather than have to delete 42/43 results which will cause havoc so close to the end of the season.
Imagine a team gets relegated or misses out on promotion because of losing points gained against Southend, there would be uproar.
Also does anyone know if one less championship side would be relegated (could be Palace) if they were wound up? Or do they promote an extra club from league 2?
cant believe a club like liverpool or united couldnt have come in and saved Chester even if it meant using the club as an additional training ground or feeder club for itself. loose change to a bigger local club.
money has wrecked football. is this the beginning of the end, in 10 years time will there even be 4 leagues
[cite]Posted By: choice[/cite]cant believe a club like liverpool or united couldnt have come in and saved Chester
I'm sure i read once that when he retired Michael Owen wanted to get involved with Chester as he was born there and his dad used to play for them. If they went bust for the sake of 26k then you'd have thought he could've invested and saved them.
Although maybe as he's still a pro there's laws against that?
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]Cardiff City paid off some of their income tax debt in the high court today.
By using the money they should have spent on NI and VAT.
They have until 5 may to pay the full £1.9m
I understand that the tax man has a duty to get in there and retrieve their funds and that defaulting/not paying taxes, ni etc is essentially stealing from the country – but – do we not think that the tax man is now being overly cautious. I think it’s been a given in the past that football clubs are not generally models for financial stability and that the tax man is now just getting in early due to the current economic climate (god I hate that phrase). Surely football clubs should have a bit more leeway than regular businesses due to the fact that they make up a strong part of the local fabric of a community. Imagine how the people of chester must be feeling, all this despair for £25 grand.
Maybe when they we start talking millions and millions like Portsmouth it’s a different matter, but a couple of grand balanced up against the existence of a football club – what way would you go ?
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]Cardiff City paid off some of their income tax debt in the high court today.
By using the money they should have spent on NI and VAT.
They have until 5 may to pay the full £1.9m
Cardiff won't be wound up whilst they're still chasing promotion. If they made (and then won) the play offs their debts would be wiped out immediately.
[cite]Posted By: choice[/cite]cant believe a club like liverpool or united couldnt have come in and saved Chester even if it meant using the club as an additional training ground or feeder club for itself. loose change to a bigger local club.
money has wrecked football. is this the beginning of the end, in 10 years time will there even be 4 leagues
126 year old club and all for £26,000..pathetic
Chester's problem was more to do with the club falling into the wrong hands - the fans' groups wanted it put out of its misery so they could start afresh.
[cite]Posted By: choice[/cite]cant believe a club like liverpool or united couldnt have come in and saved Chester even if it meant using the club as an additional training ground or feeder club for itself. loose change to a bigger local club.
money has wrecked football. is this the beginning of the end, in 10 years time will there even be 4 leagues
126 year old club and all for £26,000..pathetic
English clubs can't legally use other clubs as official feeder clubs.
At least it gives Chester a chance of a fresh start away from people who shouldn't be anywhere near a football club.
I have no sympathy for clubs who owe taxes and money to hmrc, we all work are arses off bar nathan and the lovely people take there tax out of our wage packets and of course if your self employed you get the lovely moria stewart reminding you that tax dosnt have to be taxing, so what right do these clubs have to ignore one of the fundelmental financial parts of operating in the uk? If we decided we didn't pay our tax but spent it on nice holidays ie footballers wages we would be sent to the wall without a breath of hesitation. Sounds harsh but pay up or pack off.
[cite]Posted By: se9addick[/cite]Surely football clubs should have a bit more leeway than regular businesses due to the fact that they make up a strong part of the local fabric of a community. Imagine how the people of chester must be feeling, all this despair for £25 grand.
Between 400 and 1700 people showed up for their games. Maybe prior to hand wringing about the unfairness of being forced to pay tax (which everyone normally enjoys). the people of Chester might reflect that had they made a bit more of an effort, they might not have this situation. One hundred more people showing up for every game would have covered that bill. In a town with a population of about 80 thousand, that's not over ambitious. Instead of expecting rich businesses to bail out failing clubs, or that the HMRC should take a hit on the money it is owed, there's an argument that people should take responsibility themsleves (I know, crazy in this day and age). Surely if the people of Chester don't care enough about their local club to go through the turnstiles it's a bit rich to suggest that the country should accept that it shouldn't be subject to the same tax regime as the rest of us? Or that the (foreign) owners of Man U or Liverpool should prop the club up despite it's own support not wanting to part with a tenner to watch them?
[cite]Posted By: se9addick[/cite]Surely football clubs should have a bit more leeway than regular businesses due to the fact that they make up a strong part of the local fabric of a community. Imagine how the people of chester must be feeling, all this despair for £25 grand.
Between 400 and 1700 people showed up for their games. Maybe prior to hand wringing about the unfairness of being forced to pay tax (which everyone normally enjoys). the people of Chester might reflect that had they made a bit more of an effort, they might not have this situation. One hundred more people showing up for every game would have covered that bill. In a town with a population of about 80 thousand, that's not over ambitious. Instead of expecting rich businesses to bail out failing clubs, or that the HMRC should take a hit on the money it is owed, there's an argument that people should take responsibility themsleves (I know, crazy in this day and age). Surely if the people of Chester don't care enough about their local club to go through the turnstiles it's a bit rich to suggest that the country should accept that it shouldn't be subject to the same tax regime as the rest of us? Or that the (foreign) owners of Man U or Liverpool should prop the club up despite it's own support not wanting to part with a tenner to watch them?
I agree with what you're saying but in fairness their crowds had only dropped so low because the people behind the proposed new phoenix club had started a boycott of home games.
BBC site also says "With so little money coming in at the turnstiles, the club being denied discretionary parachute payments by the Football League and their overall reported debts understood to run to close to £200,000, the Chester players went unpaid." so it seems as though it wasn't just the 26k tax bill that was the problem.
Debts of 200k and crowds below 1k, it's no surprise they're gone.
Do any Lifers remember going up there almost 30 years ago in Feb '81, when they tonked us 4-0?
It was a classic case of the Charlton manager of the month curse. That very day Mike Bailey had just been named div three's top manager after going undefeated throughout January and so, of course, a few hours later we went down to our worst defeat of the season...
Only 2,600 there on that day so their crowds have clearly been rubbish for a long time, with or without a boycott.
I'm guessing that was the only season in our history when we found ourselves in the same league as Chester.
[cite]Posted By: incorruptible addick[/cite]Do any Lifers remember going up there almost 30 years ago in Feb '81, when they tonked us 4-0?
It was a classic case of the Charlton manager of the month curse. That very day Mike Bailey had just been named div three's top manager after going undefeated throughout January and so, of course, a few hours later we went down to our worst defeat of the season...
Only 2,600 there on that day so their crowds have clearly been rubbish for a long time, with or without a boycott.
I'm guessing that was the only season in our history when we found ourselves in the same league as Chester.
Hopefully Chester City can do what Aldershot, Accrington Stanley (now both back in League football) AFC Wimbledon (well documented and doing well at level 5- possibly soon to be in the Football League) and Halifax Town (now FC Halifax Town) looking good for promotion from Unibond Division 1 North and still with a decent stadium and aspirations to join Aldershot and Accrington back where they belong in the Football League. Good luck to the fans of Chester City. Today is hopefully a new beginning for you.
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Imagine a team gets relegated or misses out on promotion because of losing points gained against Southend, there would be uproar.
Also does anyone know if one less championship side would be relegated (could be Palace) if they were wound up? Or do they promote an extra club from league 2?
2 Leeds United 35 71
3 Charlton Athletic 35 66
4 Colchester United 34 63
5 Millwall 35 62
6 Swindon Town 34 60
Could look like this
1 Norwich City 35 69
2 Leeds United 35 67
3 Charlton Athletic 35 60
4 Millwall 35 58
5 Colchester United 34 57
6 Swindon Town 34 56
dont look so good does it
money has wrecked football. is this the beginning of the end, in 10 years time will there even be 4 leagues
126 year old club and all for £26,000..pathetic
By using the money they should have spent on NI and VAT.
They have until 5 may to pay the full £1.9m
this one could be a real kick in the teeth
I'm sure i read once that when he retired Michael Owen wanted to get involved with Chester as he was born there and his dad used to play for them. If they went bust for the sake of 26k then you'd have thought he could've invested and saved them.
Although maybe as he's still a pro there's laws against that?
I understand that the tax man has a duty to get in there and retrieve their funds and that defaulting/not paying taxes, ni etc is essentially stealing from the country – but – do we not think that the tax man is now being overly cautious. I think it’s been a given in the past that football clubs are not generally models for financial stability and that the tax man is now just getting in early due to the current economic climate (god I hate that phrase). Surely football clubs should have a bit more leeway than regular businesses due to the fact that they make up a strong part of the local fabric of a community. Imagine how the people of chester must be feeling, all this despair for £25 grand.
Maybe when they we start talking millions and millions like Portsmouth it’s a different matter, but a couple of grand balanced up against the existence of a football club – what way would you go ?
Cardiff won't be wound up whilst they're still chasing promotion. If they made (and then won) the play offs their debts would be wiped out immediately.
Chester's problem was more to do with the club falling into the wrong hands - the fans' groups wanted it put out of its misery so they could start afresh.
More here - http://www.chester-city.co.uk/february10news.asp
At least it gives Chester a chance of a fresh start away from people who shouldn't be anywhere near a football club.
Easy for us to say as football fans but why should a local pub, shop or factory have to pay but not a football club.
Just hope that it never comes to this with Charlton.
It's down to the fact the tax man is no longer a preferred creditor.
I agree with what you're saying but in fairness their crowds had only dropped so low because the people behind the proposed new phoenix club had started a boycott of home games.
BBC site also says "With so little money coming in at the turnstiles, the club being denied discretionary parachute payments by the Football League and their overall reported debts understood to run to close to £200,000, the Chester players went unpaid." so it seems as though it wasn't just the 26k tax bill that was the problem.
Debts of 200k and crowds below 1k, it's no surprise they're gone.
It was a classic case of the Charlton manager of the month curse. That very day Mike Bailey had just been named div three's top manager after going undefeated throughout January and so, of course, a few hours later we went down to our worst defeat of the season...
Only 2,600 there on that day so their crowds have clearly been rubbish for a long time, with or without a boycott.
I'm guessing that was the only season in our history when we found ourselves in the same league as Chester.
Mentioned a bit on here
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