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Racism At The Valley

edited February 2010 in General Charlton
I've been thinking about posting this on here for a while and I've now finally decided to after realising that something needs to be said. I don't know if any of you guys noticed but a Jamaican flag was put up in the G Block of the North Upper for a short time against Yeovil last Saturday then it was shortly taken down, this same flag was also up in the stand behind the goal at Swindon. Well this flag belonged to me and now I'm not Jamaican at all or have anthing to do with the country but I wanted to put up just as something fun after I think Deon Burton has done quite well for us this season and has become a bit of a fans favourite. I was quite sceptical about putting the flag up at first but after having no bad reaction at all at Swindon away I thought it would be fine to put up at The Valley. However whilst putting it up it was tugged down by a fan, which I thought was annoying but I put it back up again but then it happened again. Usually I'm not the sort of guy to back to down from conflict but this guy was bigger, stronger and older than me plus he had his mates with him and I just didn't fancy the hassel. But the worst part of all this was that prior to the 2nd pulling down a group of his mates, sat a few rows behind me started an albeit quite chant of "BNP". Now I find that unacceptable and I think that these so called "fans" if they want to chant things like that should piss off down to The Den, after such a high anti-racism stance our club has taken I couldn't believe their behaviour.
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  • not nice admitedly, but its a football ground mate...I wouldnt have done it in the first place.
  • Report it we dont need these people in and around the club let alone near the younger generation of fans
  • Mate, if you know were they sit you gotta have a quiet word with someone at the club. It may seem like your 'grassing' them up, but these tossers need to be turfed out.
  • [cite]Posted By: Telnotinoz[/cite]not nice admitedly, but its a football ground mate...I wouldnt have done it in the first place.

    Why tel, its just a national flag of one of our players. Why cant people just be tolerant, whether its in a football ground or not?
  • Its not a police state quite yet so don't report it, ignore it, I am suprised they had the iq to recognize the flag.
  • Gary...mate if I could answer that Id be set for life....Im not saying its right, but to be honest knowing the type of people who go to football, its just something I wouldnt do....its just asking for trouble...and none of need or want that.
  • edited February 2010
    Tel, im not havin a pop at you mate, it just annoys me when people try and enjoy themselves and get shot down by complete tossers. I get what ur saying, its just i thought all our fans were beyond this...its a shame i was wrong.
  • [quote][cite]Posted By: Telnotinoz[/cite]Gary...mate if I could answer that Id be set for life....Im not saying its right, but to be honest knowing the type of people who go to football, its just something I wouldnt do....its just asking for trouble...and none of need or want that.[/quote]

    I do understand that and I know what SE London is like, but I was talking about it with some friend's as we never do anything fun like that for players or put up signs, I mean Darren Bent scored bucketloads of goals and we didn't do anything for him. The final decision came watching Stoke play Arsenal in the FA Cup and a guy white as you like held up a Jamaican flag as Ricardo Fuller came off and I thought well if he can do it why can't I. So I thought I'll take it to Swindon where you would expect to get mainly the hardcore following, the type of people who would do something and as nobody did or said anything I thought why not at The Valley?
  • nah Gary, every club has an element mate....I didnt think you were having a go by the way...its just that Im not at all surprised that the incident occurred
  • On a similar note, I've heard more & more "suspect" comments coming from the back of the F block in recent matches. Mostly aimed at Lloyd Sam.
    It's mainly abuse for being crap, but there are a few comments that make me cringe...
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  • I agree with everything thats been said. However if you look back into the history books Charlton have a bit of a rep for having racist fans. Pretty ridiculous to be racist full stop but to live in London and be racist is just beyond belief its one of the most multicultural cities in the world. I don agree with racisits or any racisits comments but it may be something we have had at Charlton for years and it will probably continue i hate to say.
  • It's always been at the Valley as far back as I can remember (and that's quite a way) and like it or not ... and I don't ... it ain't going to go away too easily.
  • Did someone get ejected from the JS end of the east stand on Tuesday?
  • [cite]Posted By: JT[/cite]Did someone get ejected from the JS end of the east stand on Tuesday?

    Several people i think. Mind you cant see much from H block row VV
  • [cite]Posted By: Ru1986[/cite]I agree with everything thats been said. However if you look back into the history books Charlton have a bit of a rep for having racist fans.
    Which history books are these, and compared to who, exactly? Are you suggesting that Charlton being leading lights in the "Kick Racism Out of Football" campaign was driven by the behaviour of our support?
  • [cite]Posted By: stonemuse[/cite]It's always been at the Valley as far back as I can remember (and that's quite a way) and like it or not ... and I don't ... it ain't going to go away too easily.

    This is exactaly how i feel. I dont like it one bit but i know its part of my club (not part i like). But its not going away anytime soon. Back in the 70's i believe we had links with BNP so there will always be a small minded continjent. I would have backed you up though mate (not that i would be any good in a fight) just think racism is for true wankers.
  • [cite]Posted By: forzajuve_27[/cite]I've been thinking about posting this on here for a while and I've now finally decided to after realising that something needs to be said. I don't know if any of you guys noticed but a Jamaican flag was put up in the G Block of the North Upper for a short time against Yeovil last Saturday then it was shortly taken down, this same flag was also up in the stand behind the goal at Swindon. Well this flag belonged to me and now I'm not Jamaican at all or have anthing to do with the country but I wanted to put up just as something fun after I think Deon Burton has done quite well for us this season and has become a bit of a fans favourite. I was quite sceptical about putting the flag up at first but after having no bad reaction at all at Swindon away I thought it would be fine to put up at The Valley. However whilst putting it up it was tugged down by a fan, which I thought was annoying but I put it back up again but then it happened again. Usually I'm not the sort of guy to back to down from conflict but this guy was bigger, stronger and older than me plus he had his mates with him and I just didn't fancy the hassel. But the worst part of all this was that prior to the 2nd pulling down a group of his mates, sat a few rows behind me started an albeit quite chant of "BNP". Now I find that unacceptable and I think that these so called "fans" if they want to chant things like that should piss off down to The Den, after such a high anti-racism stance our club has taken I couldn't believe their behaviour.

    One thing I'd like to clarify - what is your ethnicity?

    Personally I'd have asked what the problem was with displaying a flag of one of our most important players but, like you, wouldn't get into aggro as a result.
  • I would not have put it up and would think it was strange that you wanted to, but not through any racist ideals. I am English and proud of it, I am also proud of this country's ethnic diversity but as an Englishman I will never wear the shirt or wave the flag of another nation. Those idiots though should be put in a cage and laughed at as a relic of a bygone age
  • Racism is just stupid full stop everyone is an idividual take people how they come and wait to get to know someone before judging. Its easy to make steriotypes but lets try not too.
  • [quote][cite]Posted By: Swisdom[/quote]

    One thing I'd like to clarify - what is your ethnicity?

    Personally I'd have asked what the problem was with displaying a flag of one of our most important players but, like you, wouldn't get into aggro as a result.[/quote]

    I'm White - British and half Italian, and I did say to one of the guys don't you appreciate Deon Burton's goals and his simple response was "no he's shit" lol
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  • Intelligent response as expected.
  • Depends what game it was. Away to BR i would have agreed. ;-)
  • [cite]Posted By: forzajuve_27[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Swisdom

    One thing I'd like to clarify - what is your ethnicity?

    Personally I'd have asked what the problem was with displaying a flag of one of our most important players but, like you, wouldn't get into aggro as a result.

    I'm White - British and half Italian, and I did say to one of the guys don't you appreciate Deon Burton's goals and his simple response was "no he's shit" lol[/quote]

    Unfortunately these types of people cannot be reasoned with and you might as well back down.
    On the building site he invariably works on that is "top banta" but in reality shows a frightening lack of brain cells
  • [cite]Posted By: Ru1986[/cite] Back in the 70's i believe we had links with BNP
    That's quite a serious allegation Rupert, where did you hear that?
  • edited February 2010
    Personally, I like seeing black supporters on the terraces, its not a white man's game so all races are welcome imo. Used to see a lot Swedish flags back in the days. Remember the Chinese as well. However, let's try not to accuse somebody of being racist for supporting the BNP, that would never stand up in court. Just pull a gun out and shoot the bastard! I'm only joking but unfortunately, until a racist comment is heard, the law cannot do anything I'm afraid.
  • [cite]Posted By: Friend Or Defoe[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Ru1986[/cite]Back in the 70's i believe we had links with BNP
    That's quite a serious allegation Rupert, where did you hear that?

    Yea i read it in a book Terrace Legends (so to be fair its probably ball) by Cass Pennent and it was our representative in there a bloke called "Lyons" said we did in the 70's but as i say its probably ball i hope it is anyway.
  • [cite]Posted By: Jason1[/cite]Personally, I like seeing black supporters on the terraces, its not a white man's game so all races are welcome imo. Used to see a lot Swedish flags back in the days. Remember the Chinese as well. However, let's try not to accuse somebody of being racist for supporting the BNP, that would never stand up in court. Just pull a gun out and shoot the bastard! I'm only joking but unfortunately, until a racist comment is heard, the law cannot do anything I'm afraid.

    Yea right its multi national multi cultural sport so why cant anyone get involved especailly as it in London a city full of multi cultures thats something we (as londoners) should be proud of.
  • [quote][cite]Posted By: Ru1986[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: Friend Or Defoe[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: Ru1986[/cite]Back in the 70's i believe we had links with BNP[/quote]
    That's quite a serious allegation Rupert, where did you hear that?[/quote]

    Yea i read it in a book Terrace Legends (so to be fair its probably ball) by Cass Pennent and it was our representative in there a bloke called "Lyons" said we did in the 70's but as i say its probably ball i hope it is anyway.[/quote]

    Maybe an old urban legend but wasnt we the last london club to have a black player, hence the BNP linking themselves with us.

    Got to admit if I heard someone chanting BNP in this day and age I would think 'pratt' surely they must have been youngsters or donuts.
  • Racism as far as I knew if reported would result in being escorted out of the ground, which is as it should be and repeated offenders should be banned from the club. I don't see it being a problem waving or displaying any falg that represents one of our players. Plenty of people waved the irish flag in respect to Kinsella, the club shop even sold Ireland CAFC flags, so why should a Jamaican flag for Burton be treated any differently?
  • As an irish decent catholic, there was loads of guff being chanted at leyton orient back at the start of the season, certain groups of 'fans' singing no surrender... ffs... they obviuously don't read or watch the news that the ira no longer exisits.. might as well be chanting no surrender to the bloody romans... I have an irish flag with cafc on it but have never taken it to a game, might start doing it for the future eire number 1.
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