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Lloyd Sam - playing behind a striker. Discuss

edited February 2010 in General Charlton
On Monday he seemed to be playing a little more central when we had 10 men and I thought he looked more interested.

I wonder if he would be any good "in the hole".


Pros
we know he's quick, can beat a man and has most assists for a couple of years now

Cons
Not physically strong enough, tends to hide. Questionable footballing brain.

Just wondered what you guys think

Comments

  • I always think his effectiveness drops when he cuts inside - this happens more often in the second half when he gets tired.

    Keep him out on the wing. Would prefer to use Shelvey or Bailey if we're going to play a system with someone in behind the striker(s).
  • Nah keep him on the right, so he can terrorise their left back. thats how he plays best, just wish he was more consistent
  • Not for me.

    Hasn't one of our problems this season been swapping players around from their familiar roles into ones their obviously not suited to or comfortable with?
  • As long as he doesnt grin or smile I don't care where he plays
  • I actually thought he looked dangerous (first time for a while) on Monday night especially in the first half, but yet again we lacked numbers in the box to take advantage of it
  • Your cons are huge in terms of him not playing there compared to the pro's mentioned, which are more in favour of a winger anyway.

    I hope that makes sense. Basically im saying no.
  • He is without doubt our most dangerous player - look how many they stick on him 2, sometimes 3 - he does frustrate occasionally.

    BUT can you imagine how frustrated he must get looking up to see that there is no-one supporting him by a) making an overlapping run b) getting into the box, or c) actually hitting the target following his delivery (some of which are sitters!!
  • When Lloydie was just a mere strapper, Uncle Les played him in the hole at home to Blackburn in the Prem (the El Kak last minute free kick winner game).

    Sam did alright, didn't he? .... and ran at the soft underbelly of their central defence - big lumbering CB's don't like that and apart from panicking and kicking lumps out of the player, don't really know how to deal with it. And it's got to be worth a few penalties.

    It's certainly one way to unlock packed defences. Andy Reid used to play that role from time to time also, with great effect.

    Whether we'd miss Sam out right, where he's doubled marked - which means we should always have a spare player available, right? - is another thing. Trouble is, we've been well and truly sussed by opponents who identify Sam as our most dangerous player, double mark him and cut off his supply.

    Okay, if opponents then have Sam under lock and key, we surely must have a plan to use the space and spare man to our advantage. Do I see shaking of heads?
  • Sam played up front when he first broke into the team and did a good job. He doesn't like playing there, but that's by the by. I think playing him upfront as part of a two and put Waggy on the right, Reid on the left. He can't do much worse than the strikers at the moment.
  • Another issue with moving Sam is that Wagstaff would have to start on the right. Scottie has been far more effective coming on at the end of games to trouble tiring defences, rather than playing from the start. Including Waggy means another midfielder has to be left out etc...
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  • [cite]Posted By: dabos[/cite]Another issue with moving Sam is that Wagstaff would have to start on the right. Scottie has been far more effective coming on at the end of games to trouble tiring defences, rather than playing from the start. Including Waggy means another midfielder has to be left out etc...
    That's what I was thinking, so another no from me.
  • Not if he plays as a striker...
  • 101101
    edited February 2010
    The guys a legend and he does well and gives 100% Anywere on the park so long as hes in the first team that the best.
  • Playing Sam in the hole need only be a Plan 'B'.

    Start him out on the right as usual, but if like the Tranmere game we can't unlock a deep lying packed defence - then on comes Waggy wide on the right, and move Lloydie into the hole - specifically to run at their CB's.

    Then we only need to find someone to take the direct free kicks from the edge of the box .....
  • I can understand the rationale of the question but for me Sam's finishing is arguably the weakest part of his game so it is a "no" from me. We would also lose a lot of creativity from out wide.

    Shelvey is the man for playing in the hole or if not him Waggy given that one thing he appears to be able to do is finish.
  • edited February 2010
    Sam's finishing is awful - agree with the above.

    Bailey is the only player with a good clean powerful shooting ability
  • Seem to remember Lloyd slicing through the centre of the Brentford defence to score a great goal.
    In the situation we presently find ourselves in, we need to think outside the box for a possible solution. If that involves playing Sam in the hole or Bailey up front, and it works, it could have a major impact on the future of our club. One things for sure, change is needed because we are drifting away.
  • OK - so if his width would be lost how about a 4-3-1-2

    three central midfielders doing the donkey work - or maybe Semedo holding and Bailey +1 operating centrally

    Lloydy drifting and roaming in front of the defender

    and two up top

    As has already been said - Lloyd knows how to beat his man and if he can be taught to be direct and just attack he could be useful.
  • Waggy in the hole, if you're looking for someone other than Bailey for the job.
  • A big no from me.

    Sam needs time and space, something at a premium in that role. He isn't instinctive in his first touch and initial movement, and i suspect would be uncomfortable playing with his back to the opposition.
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  • You need somebody who can make quick decisions in that position, either drive at the defender, pass or shoot. When Sam is presented with multiple options he tends to freeze and let the moment go. In truth it's why he'll never make it much further than this level.
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