[cite]Posted By: boggzy[/cite]Same here. I think losing to Millwall in the 3rd division play-offs will be the catalyst that makes the cork explode for a lot of people after the last 5 years.
Yeah after pelting the Millwall lot with werther's originals and lukewarm ribena we'd probably write a strongly worded letter to someone....but probably only post it on here.
[cite]Posted By: boggzy[/cite]Same here. I think losing to Millwall in the 3rd division play-offs will be the catalyst that makes the cork explode for a lot of people after the last 5 years.
We'll it's going to be either them or Saints innit. You know it...
[cite]Posted By: Groucho78MFC[/cite]I wouldn't say a stuffing, but the way things currently are I can't see us not winning. I could do without a repeat of the coronary-inducing episode back in December.
Anyway, aren't the majority of your big games to come all at home? Colchester, Leeds, and Norwich? At this point of the season, i'd rather be playing them at home than having to go there and get points. We've got Huddersfield, Colchester, MK Dons, and Leeds all away. Plus a scrap away to Tramere which we're guaranteed to balls-up!
Still on for a Charlton/Millwall play-off. Lovely.
We've still got to go to Huddersfield and MK Dons which on last night's form will be nil points asTerry Wogan used to say.
Mooney fell like a girl. Call that a bump. Derek Hales would have head butted the defender with his other temple in order two have two bumps and look like he had horns. As for Basey, well tbh I thought he made a meal out of it. Being soft has always been a problem with our players.
WSS: Before the season started I thought we would struggle based on the fact that I thought we would lose our whoe team, which we didnt and I expected us to be in contention for an automatic spot - didnt you? If it was just a case of 2 very good teams being above us (as they are) I would swallow that cos that's the way it goes. However that is not the whole picture. Yet again Charlton have taken their foot off the gas and we are going to fall out of the play offs (or be involved in the play offs with no good form which is the same thing) if this continues. There is no sign that it will not continue. Have you been watching lately, I assume you have, then perhaps you can tell me what you expected from this season. 4 losses doesnt tell the whole picture, you have to balance that with all the draws (home and away) and wins. We are playing very, very badly and if that doesn't concern every single Charlton fan then fair enough, what can I say, I suppose you are just all getting used to it now! I can handle losing - I am after all not a fan of a glory-team (over 25 years), it's not the league position that bothers me as much as the decline of our club again.
[cite]Posted By: Groucho78MFC[/cite]At least you've still got your health, right?
Who pulled your strings, Groucho? lol
You're the last person we need right now to come and watch us in the throes of dispair.
;o)
You have absolutely no idea what the "throes of despair" are, believe me. And if you did, i'd not be so harsh as to laugh at you. Well, not as much as I have at the Nigels.
Red: I truly expected us to be 4th/5th and expected one of Jonjo/Racon or Bailey to go. Yes we have kept the players but I don't think they are as important as people may have thought. The difference in this league and all of the football league is a goalscorer who gets you 20-25 goals a season and we knew we wouldnt get one of those whatever.
If we did, we'd be top and I say that with a certain degree of confidence.
WSS: Anyway, it doesn't really matter where we thought we might be pre-season and do you know what I don't want to get into a niggly debate about this with a fellow supporter because after all we all want the best for our club.
But look at the points we have thrown away this season, even if it's just the ones at home recently against very average teams - that is not acceptable nor that we can only muster any effort in the last 10 minutes of a game or when the other team scores first. And the manager (who up-until-now I have defended all season to my friends and family) doesn't even lose his cool with the under-performing players in front of him. PP is the only person who is in a position to kick them in the nuts when they deserve it - and they do deserve a good, hard kick in the nuts!! (Ha Ha)
Nor is it suffice to say that we don't have a 20+ goalscorer so what do we expect. We didnt have one after 10 or 20 games but looked capable of scoring goals from elsewhere. Now we are not creating enough chances for a natural goalscorer anyway in some games.
As I say, I can handle not being above Leeds and Norwich because they do have better players than we do, I cannot though accept the lack of fight, teamwork or management nous that we are all seeing right now.
Herman and Costa were great defenders for us, you would never want to mess with them, they would get stuck in and were well hard. Rufus was the perfect tackler and quick. Powell was a great passer and crosser of the ball. Young was consistent. Our current defence don't seem bothered in my opinion.
[cite]Posted By: Red5[/cite]WSS: Anyway, it doesn't really matter where we thought we might be pre-season and do you know what I don't want to get into a niggly debate about this with a fellow supporter because after all we all want the best for our club.
But look at the points we have thrown away this season, even if it's just the ones at home recently against very average teams - that is not acceptable nor that we can only muster any effort in the last 10 minutes of a game or when the other team scores first. And the manager (who up-until-now I have defended all season to my friends and family) doesn't even lose his cool with the under-performing players in front of him. PP is the only person who is in a position to kick them in the nuts when they deserve it - and they do deserve a good, hard kick in the nuts!! (Ha Ha)
Nor is it suffice to say that we don't have a 20+ goalscorer so what do we expect. We didnt have one after 10 or 20 games but looked capable of scoring goals from elsewhere. Now we are not creating enough chances for a natural goalscorer anyway in some games.
As I say, I can handle not being above Leeds and Norwich because they do have better players than we do, I cannot though accept the lack of fight, teamwork or management nous that we are all seeing right now.
WSS: No, I do not accept where we are, it would be acceptable if we were third because they were just better than us and that's why we were third. Even with their 20+ goalscorers, we got draws (away) at Leeds and Norwich didn't we? I went to the Leeds game at Elland road and after we settled into the game we competed with them and could easily have nicked it.
The recent results have seen us slip down and out of automatic promotion and that was not because we are not as good as Leeds or Norwich because we haven't played them recently. Currently, we are not as good as Bristol Rovers, Leyton Orient, etc, etc, etc, who are and have always been below us!
We should still be in top two if we hadn't played so poorly against these average teams. And we would be second, or even first, if the players had rolled up their sleeves and played their hearts out to get us out of this league that they (most of them) got us into.
dont it past us to go on a little winning run then go missing on the pitch come millwall away,it means nothing to sam semedo and co . any slight noise and abuse from the millwall fans and they will soon melt.cowards
Perhaps we should get ourselves down to Sparrows Lane and protest at how f*cked off we all are, maybe then the players and Parky might get the kick up the arse they clearly need.
I don't think this Lazio mob would put up with it, they stormed their training ground last week, scroll down and look at the first 2 videos. Ultras
Interesting thread. But there's nothing intrinsically wrong with being ''nice'' - even in football.
Lennie Lawrence is a very nice man. Yet he seems to have no problem helping to turn Bristol Rovers into a mean fighting machine that last night went out there determined to scrap and maul for every ball.
Should be perfectly possible to be a ''nice'' club off the pitch and to have a bite and edge on it. But I concede that somehow we seem to struggle to manage it!
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Yeah after pelting the Millwall lot with werther's originals and lukewarm ribena we'd probably write a strongly worded letter to someone....but probably only post it on here.
Who pulled your strings, Groucho? lol
You're the last person we need right now to come and watch us in the throes of dispair.
;o)
We'll it's going to be either them or Saints innit. You know it...
We've still got to go to Huddersfield and MK Dons which on last night's form will be nil points asTerry Wogan used to say.
Bottom line is we have far too many players who you wouldnt want when things come on top.
I dont see enough of a hunger or desire in the players to progress their careers. All seem far too content to carry on at this level for me.
If it was just a case of 2 very good teams being above us (as they are) I would swallow that cos that's the way it goes. However that is not the whole picture.
Yet again Charlton have taken their foot off the gas and we are going to fall out of the play offs (or be involved in the play offs with no good form which is the same thing) if this continues.
There is no sign that it will not continue. Have you been watching lately, I assume you have, then perhaps you can tell me what you expected from this season. 4 losses doesnt tell the whole picture, you have to balance that with all the draws (home and away) and wins.
We are playing very, very badly and if that doesn't concern every single Charlton fan then fair enough, what can I say, I suppose you are just all getting used to it now! I can handle losing - I am after all not a fan of a glory-team (over 25 years), it's not the league position that bothers me as much as the decline of our club again.
You have absolutely no idea what the "throes of despair" are, believe me. And if you did, i'd not be so harsh as to laugh at you. Well, not as much as I have at the Nigels.
If we did, we'd be top and I say that with a certain degree of confidence.
But look at the points we have thrown away this season, even if it's just the ones at home recently against very average teams - that is not acceptable nor that we can only muster any effort in the last 10 minutes of a game or when the other team scores first. And the manager (who up-until-now I have defended all season to my friends and family) doesn't even lose his cool with the under-performing players in front of him. PP is the only person who is in a position to kick them in the nuts when they deserve it - and they do deserve a good, hard kick in the nuts!! (Ha Ha)
Nor is it suffice to say that we don't have a 20+ goalscorer so what do we expect. We didnt have one after 10 or 20 games but looked capable of scoring goals from elsewhere. Now we are not creating enough chances for a natural goalscorer anyway in some games.
As I say, I can handle not being above Leeds and Norwich because they do have better players than we do, I cannot though accept the lack of fight, teamwork or management nous that we are all seeing right now.
Agree entirely.
The recent results have seen us slip down and out of automatic promotion and that was not because we are not as good as Leeds or Norwich because we haven't played them recently. Currently, we are not as good as Bristol Rovers, Leyton Orient, etc, etc, etc, who are and have always been below us!
We should still be in top two if we hadn't played so poorly against these average teams. And we would be second, or even first, if the players had rolled up their sleeves and played their hearts out to get us out of this league that they (most of them) got us into.
I don't think this Lazio mob would put up with it, they stormed their training ground last week, scroll down and look at the first 2 videos.
Ultras
Lennie Lawrence is a very nice man. Yet he seems to have no problem helping to turn Bristol Rovers into a mean fighting machine that last night went out there determined to scrap and maul for every ball.
Should be perfectly possible to be a ''nice'' club off the pitch and to have a bite and edge on it. But I concede that somehow we seem to struggle to manage it!