The Daily Mail's Ten Hidden Gems of the Football League

Henry Irving

Before reading guess which two Charlton Academy products feature.

NB note two Charlton products and only one Chrystal "we have the best academy in the country" Palace.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1240886/Ten-hidden-gems-Football-League-Sportsmail-uncovers-rising-stars-outside-flight.html

Weegie Addick

Shame we gave one of them away... :-(

Henry Irving

[cite]Posted By: Weegie Addick[/cite]Shame we gave one of them away... :-(

Thanks for the spoiler : - )

The Red Robin

Any more hidden gems out there from anyone?

I'd go for Jose Semedo, Alex McCarthy and Francis Laurent

se9addick

Why does Josh Wright have a haircut like a 1920’s army sergeant ? Is this the real reason why we let him go ?

Henry Irving

[cite]Posted By: se9addick[/cite]Why does Josh Wright have a haircut like a 1920’s army sergeant ? Is this the real reason why we let him go ?

So much for letting people have a guess before reading.

I don't know why I bother : - )

Weegie Addick

[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]

[cite]Posted By: se9addick[/cite]Why does Josh Wright have a haircut like a 1920’s army sergeant ? Is this the real reason why we let him go ?

So much for letting people have a guess before reading.

I don't know why I bother : - )

At least I didn't spoil it that much ;-)

Never mind, Ben - Happy New Year.

TEL

Good luck to Josh, Ive always rated him for better things....even said that I think he will play for England one day.....hope he does well

Henry Irving

Happy New Year to you too Weegie : - )

Chris_from_Sidcup

Hidden gems? I'd guess that anyone with a half decent football knowledge has already heard of Moses, Carroll, Shelvey, Johnson and Dorrans plus Loach is the England under 21 keeper isn't he?

The Red Robin

[cite]Posted By: Telnotinoz[/cite]Good luck to Josh, Ive always rated him for better things....even said that I think he will play for England one day.....hope he does well

Yeah he's a very good player and thought the Mail's description of his play was spot on. Reminds of Michael Carrick in the sense that he's such a brilliant passer of the ball. A real shame he didn't stay with us as I think he would've been ahead of Spring this season as back to up Bailey and Semedo.

Si

[cite]Posted By: Chris_from_Sidcup[/cite]Hidden gems? I'd guess that anyone with a half decent football knowledge has already heard of Moses, Carroll, Shelvey, Johnson and Dorrans plus Loach is the England under 21 keeper isn't he?

True, but I think they mean 'hidden' from the persepctive of Premier League fans, not Football League fans.

johnnybev1987

sorry i guess'd looked and was right! not suprising really, although JJ valuation- id hope we get more then that if we sold him, especially fabian delph 8million and is similar player, league but jj is younger. id say 6million would be acceptable of course with a sell on clause standard

Scoham

[cite]Posted By: The Red Robin[/cite]

[cite]Posted By: Telnotinoz[/cite]Good luck to Josh, Ive always rated him for better things....even said that I think he will play for England one day.....hope he does well

Yeah he's a very good player and thought the Mail's description of his play was spot on. Reminds of Michael Carrick in the sense that he's such a brilliant passer of the ball. A real shame he didn't stay with us as I think he would've been ahead of Spring this season as back to up Bailey and Semedo.

Which unfortunately probably wasn't enough for him. Guess he saw it as why be a back up League One midfielder when he could potentially get regular Championship football.

Will be interesting to see how his career turns out. While some will say we should have kept him, in our situation we couldn't afford to and he wouldn't have played as much as he wanted to.

Oggy Red

Wrighty had a rum old period last winter.

After returning from yet another loan away, he got a taste of 1st team football here, without establishing himself.
Then he got right up Parky's nose, justified or not ...... but not the way to make yourself indispensible.

And all the while, his best mate was partner to Jade Goody and all the trials, tribulations and papparazi exposure going on.
Maybe he could have handled himself better - but then he was only a teenager at the time. We've all been there.

Valiantphil

I see we have 2 ex-players in the 50 worst Prem strikers list as well.

Mortimerician

Riddle me this: when an academy product who is (I think) under 23 leaves when they're out of contract to join another club, a fee is usually set by tribunal to compensate the producer-club. It doesn't work like a normal Bosman, basically to encourage clubs to keep developing youth in the knowledge that - if they leave for another team - that they'll receive some kind of a transfer fee. However when Josh (after a few months first team football in the Championship, a "hidden gem") left all I can recall being said was that he was released (I'm reading into this that he was allowed to operate as a normal Bosman). Any idea if this is (W)right, or did we get some compensation that I missed? Can't think why we'd have operated like this, unless we just assumed that we'd never see any money and wanted to get his salary off the books, but can't imagine he was on some kind of Helena Christianssen style wad.

Mortimerician

[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]NB note two Charlton products and only one Chrystal "we have the best academy in the country" Palace.

To be fair the amount that Colin trumpets on about any young player in their team (sorry the shop window), it'd be tough to be a hidden anything.

BlackForestReds

We didn't offerJosh Wright a new contract so he was free to leave and therefore there is no compensation clause in his contract as would happen normally with players of his age.

Scoham

[cite]Posted By: BlackForestReds[/cite]We didn't offerJosh Wright a new contract so he was free to leave and therefore there is no compensation clause in his contract as would happen normally with players of his age.

Or we might have offered him a deal worth less than the contract he had at the time. Can only get compensation if the deal you offer is equal or greater to the players current deal, as far as I know.

McLovin

Given that he'd be a player that we'd be getting a fee on and (you'd assume) wouldn't be on huge wedge as a youth-product with very little first team experience, you'd have thought the smart move would have been to offer him the equivalent and then cashed in, in the (likely) event that he moved on.

Henry Irving

[cite]Posted By: McLovin[/cite]Given that he'd be a player that we'd be getting a fee on and (you'd assume) wouldn't be on huge wedge as a youth-product with very little first team experience, you'd have thought the smart move would have been to offer him the equivalent and then cashed in, in the (likely) event that he moved on.

Or be left with him on our books if no one else came in for him so paying another wage for a player in a position where we have plenty of options.

That he was on a free transfer made him more attractive but he ended up at Scunthorpe.

Athletico Charlton

[quote][cite]Posted By: BlackForestReds[/cite]We didn't offerJosh Wright a new contract so he was free to leave and therefore there is no compensation clause in his contract as would happen normally with players of his age.[/quote]

The only thing I don't get is that I didn't think Fulham had offered omosuzi a contract yet they still only seem to be letting him come to us on loan...how come they still have power over him as i thought his contract had expired.

pilchard

Interesting that the Daily Mail consider the Championship "lower league" I always thought that tag was applicable to Div 3 and 4. I know it's lower league when compared to the all conquering Prem but still! Their lazy journalists should not be suprised that there is (shock horror) home grown talent outside of (whisper it....)the Premier League, in many cases its what us "lower league" clubs do rather well as generally it is our bread and butter.

Chris_from_Sidcup

[cite]Posted By: Valiantphil[/cite]I see we have 2 ex-players in the 50 worst Prem strikers list as well.

Not seen this, who were they? Lisbie and Pringle at a guess?

Weegie Addick

[cite]Posted By: Chris_from_Sidcup[/cite]

[cite]Posted By: Valiantphil[/cite]I see we have 2 ex-players in the 50 worst Prem strikers list as well.

Not seen this, who were they? Lisbie and Pringle at a guess?

Marcus Bent, surely?

BlackForestReds

Traore surely must be one.

Scoham

[cite]Posted By: pilchard[/cite]Interesting that the Daily Mail consider the Championship "lower league" I always thought that tag was applicable to Div 3 and 4. I know it's lower league when compared to the all conquering Prem but still! Their lazy journalists should not be suprised that there is (shock horror) home grown talent outside of (whisper it....)the Premier League, in many cases its what us "lower league" clubs do rather well as generally it is our bread and butter.

They called it the Football League, which it is, and mentioned 'outside the top flight'. Only place they mentioned lower league is related to Beckford and that Scunthorpe used to be a smaller club.

Chris_from_Sidcup

[cite]Posted By: Weegie Addick[/cite]

[cite]Posted By: Chris_from_Sidcup[/cite]

[cite]Posted By: Valiantphil[/cite]I see we have 2 ex-players in the 50 worst Prem strikers list as well.

Not seen this, who were they? Lisbie and Pringle at a guess?

Marcus Bent, surely?

He did reasonably well at Everton so i wasn't counting him

Henry Irving

Jason Lee was 9th

pilchard

[cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]

[cite]Posted By: pilchard[/cite]Interesting that the Daily Mail consider the Championship "lower league" I always thought that tag was applicable to Div 3 and 4. I know it's lower league when compared to the all conquering Prem but still! Their lazy journalists should not be suprised that there is (shock horror) home grown talent outside of (whisper it....)the Premier League, in many cases its what us "lower league" clubs do rather well as generally it is our bread and butter.

They called it the Football League, which it is, and mentioned 'outside the top flight'. Only place they mentioned lower league is related to Beckford and that Scunthorpe used to be a smaller club.[/quote)


And the Beckford part was the part I was refering too.... where they said "lower league wonders" the implication that the Championship is lower league also. We and Leeds and the rest of Leagues 1&2 are whether we like it or not- sadly at this point in time "lower league", guess it's all a matter of opinion really hey! The media tends to lump us all in one lump outside the topflight.