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Renew your faith in Parky

edited November 2009 in General Charlton
Just listened to him on the O/S and he's not as illogical as many would have us believe.

Have a listen, but basically he says MK Dons is THE big game & obviously not the cup games.

Therefore, he picked the 11 he wanted to play MK and then worked out who would play in the cup games accordingly.

He also said Burton & McKenzie would have played if fit.

Therefore, I presume he has been resting/letting recover from injury to a greater or lesser extent :-

Richardson, Sodje, Sam, Racon, Bailey, Burton, McKenzie.

That's 7 yes 7 which have not played in full the last 2 games, who I hope will benefit accordingly on Saturday.

I think I'm right in saying only Youga, Dailly and Semedo will play all 3.

I think Jon Jo will be on the bench on Saturday.

COYR
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  • edited November 2009
    Parky is a decent bloke and not as clueless as some would make out....not saying I'm his No1 fan or that he's won us all over but he's OK.
    Some of the utter crap talked about him on here is astonishing to be honest. I note that none of those who want him out have 'weavers shoe' who they want to take over from him(other than Curb's of course)....he may or may not succeed in getting us back up this season but I'm certain he'll give it his very best shot and in saying that he can do no more.
    We need some stability in the managerial stakes and like him or not he's who we've chosen...SO LET'S BACK HIM.
  • iv stoped posting on here cos of the stupid comments either so rose tinted its laughable or so depressing its laughable.


    as long as where in the top 6 we need to give Parky til the end of the season, he hasnt spent a penny and in the league we've looked ok, fair point since Oldham we've looked poor BUT this was also when injuries started to happen to the first team and WE as fans started expecting win after win

    People, get real. There is a whole lot wrong with this club and we've had a truley horific last 3/4 yrs gettin worse year on year, changing management team and direction ever time we stumble is not the answer.

    Lets give him the season (ok there are exceptions like ten straight losses) and be done with it
  • [quote][cite]Posted By: SoundAsa£[/cite]Parky is a decent bloke and not as clueless as some would make out....not saying I'm his No1 fan or that he's won us all over but he's OK.
    Some of the utter crap talked about him on here is astonishing to be honest(I notethst none of those who want him out have 'weavers shoe' who they want to take over from him(other than Curb's of course)....he may or may not succeed in getting us back up this season but I'm certain he'll give it his very best shot and in saying that he can do no more.
    We need some stability in the managerial stakes and like him or not he's who we've chosen...SO LET'S BACK HIM.[/quote]

    i said steve coppell so i have a weavers shoe
  • Agree that we should let Parkey be cup runs are Ok, beating Pardew is good but promotion is best

    One point though - he has been criticised for not playing Randolph at Carlisle, perhaps his thinking was that he had to play Randolph at Northwich and as it was his first full game he didn't want to risk any injury to him at Carlisle, let's see who plays on Saturday
  • if were outside the top 6 by january we must look to change the manager he,s overall record at charlton isnt good enough.i believe he lacks leadership skills as well as motivation skills.i agree we need stability but lets make sure we have the right man before we back him.its not tottally he,s fault when pardew went the board should have asked him to leave. yet anouther mistake by the board.
  • [cite]Posted By: 01322charlton[/cite]if were outside the top 6 by january we must look to change the manager he,s overall record at charlton isnt good enough.i believe he lacks leadership skills as well as motivation skills.i agree we need stability but lets make sure we have the right man before we back him.its not tottally he,s fault when pardew went the board should have asked him to leave. yet anouther mistake by the board.

    How the fook do you know what managerial skills he's got...answer you aint got a clue pal...only what you believe according to you.
    If you're going to say that then please back it up with some evidence ...do you have any...no,I thought not.
  • Must admit, I've been very negative towards Parky and the way i see our season going especially when comparing our two previous promotion seasons from this division ( 74/75 and 80/81).

    However, today I bought a home programme from April 1975 and have regained optimism.

    I always believed we sailed through to promotion that season so was surprised when I looked through the season's results.

    We didn't win an away League game from 31st August to until 26th October and were out of both cups before xmas. We also lost away at Colchester 3-0. And we

    had Andy Nelson in charge !!

    My point is that whilst we lie 2nd in the division and unbeaten at home, should we really be moaning as much as we seem to be ?
  • I'm prepared to be more patient & give him a chance, but talking down the Cup defeats doesnt hide the fact that we've only taken 6 points from the previous 6 league matches. That is relegation form.
  • SiSi
    edited November 2009
    [cite]Posted By: northstandsteve[/cite]i said steve coppell so i have a weavers shoe

    Well, no you don't, because we couldn't afford him (I would imagine he would command nearly twice PP's salary based on his experience) and it's been in the press recently that he would only return to a higher tier side.

    I agree with Scruffle, some people on here need to get real; and I also agree with Asa, some people have got to consider what they actually do know before spouting illogical and non-sensical opinions based on nothing at all. Of course you're free to air them, but if they're based solely on hunches and guess work, then they won't be considered that valid by other readers.
  • [cite]Posted By: SoundAsa£[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: 01322charlton[/cite]if were outside the top 6 by january we must look to change the manager he,s overall record at charlton isnt good enough.i believe he lacks leadership skills as well as motivation skills.i agree we need stability but lets make sure we have the right man before we back him.its not tottally he,s fault when pardew went the board should have asked him to leave. yet anouther mistake by the board.

    How the fook do you know what managerial skills he's got...answer you aint got a clue pal...only what you believe according to you.
    If you're going to say that then please back it up with some evidence ...do you have any...no,I thought not.

    Is 19 wins from his last 74 games as Manager evidence enough? Source:Phil Parkinson's Managerial Record

    As for alternatives may I offer the following seven candidates for starters:

    Steve Coppell - looking to get back at Premier League but if he is still available when takeover happens might be persuaded.

    Nigel Adkins - achieved two promotions with Scunthorpe on a shoestring budget.

    Darren Ferguson - successive promotions with Peterborough.

    Paul Ince - saved Macclesfield from relegation. Promotion with MK Dons. Sacked by Blacknurn after just 21 games. Level with us on points but, unlike ourselves, MK's squad is mainly made up of players who have played at this and below this level only.

    Sean O'Driscoll - achieved miracle of keeping Doncaster Rovers in the Championship by playing football. Still only 42, he has been a Manager for almost 10 years at Bournemouth and Doncaster and been in charge for over 500 matches in that time.

    Lennie Lawrence - knows the Club, knows the League and knows how to win promotion with little finance.

    Paul Tisdale - Came to prominence when Team Bath became the first University Team to make the 1st Round of the F A Cup. Gained four promotions with Team Bath before being hired by Exeter where he won successive promotions from the Conference to League 1, during which time the Team went 120 games without successive defeats.

    Just to state where I am on this debate I have never advocated that Parky should be sacked. However, I have been disappointed by his treatment of Dickson and Randolph and his lack of a ready made alternative to his 4-5-1 when it was inevitable that Teams would soon enough find a way of negating that system.
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  • [cite]Posted By: Si[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: northstandsteve[/cite]i said steve coppell so i have a weavers shoe

    Well, no you don't, because we couldn't afford him (I would imagine he would command nearly twice PP's salary based on his experience) and it's been in the press recently that he would only return to a higher tier side.

    I agree with Scruffle, some people on here need to get real; and I also agree with Asa, some people have got to consider what they actuallydoknow before spouting illogical and non-sensical opinions based on nothing at all. Of course you're free to air them, but if they're based solely on hunches and guess work, then they won't be considered that valid by other readers.

    that rules every out you say then doesn't it.
  • I don't think i've hardly ever disagreed with anything Parky has said.

    But words are just words. We can all talk the right game, but we desperately need to not just say it, but do it now.
  • [cite]Posted By: northstandsteve[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Si[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: northstandsteve[/cite]i said steve coppell so i have a weavers shoe

    Well, no you don't, because we couldn't afford him (I would imagine he would command nearly twice PP's salary based on his experience) and it's been in the press recently that he would only return to a higher tier side.

    I agree with Scruffle, some people on here need to get real; and I also agree with Asa, some people have got to consider what they actuallydoknow before spouting illogical and non-sensical opinions based on nothing at all. Of course you're free to air them, but if they're based solely on hunches and guess work, then they won't be considered that valid by other readers.

    that rules every out you say then doesn't it.

    Que? Care to elaborate?

    I try to base everything I say on some level of fact. Opinions about facts can vary, but forming opinions based on things you make up or are purely guessing (eg. PP has poor man management skills/PP lacks motivational skills/ Steve Coppell would want to come here/etc) is a little bit silly.
  • I personally believe the players have let Parky down BADLY in the last handful of games. Look at Brentford at home where we played some really good stuff along with Leeds away were we dug in and battled for 90 mins in difficult conditions. These players have the capability, its just the last few games they havent looked a shade of the players that won the first 6 of the season. Is the dip of form down to the manager? ..hmmm im not so sure. The players have let the manager and the fans down and this saturday they have a chance to make amends.

    COYR
  • [cite]Posted By: ValleyGary[/cite]I personally believe the players have let Parky down BADLY in the last handful of games. Look at Brentford at home where we played some really good stuff along with Leeds away were we dug in and battled for 90 mins in difficult conditions. These players have the capability, its just the last few games they havent looked a shade of the players that won the first 6 of the season. Is the dip of form down to the manager? ..hmmm im not so sure. The players have let the manager and the fans down and this saturday they have a chance to make amends.

    COYR

    I don't disagree with you there but the biggest part of a Manager's job is to motivate players to run through brick walls for them. On the evidence of recent performances he doesn't appear to be able to do that. Saturday will tell us a lot more.
  • [cite]Posted By: Si[/cite]
    [cite aria-level=0 aria-posinset=0 aria-setsize=0]Posted By: northstandsteve[/cite]
    [cite aria-level=0 aria-posinset=0 aria-setsize=0]Posted By: Si[/cite]
    [cite aria-level=0 aria-posinset=0 aria-setsize=0]Posted By: northstandsteve[/cite]i said steve coppell so i have a weavers shoe

    Well, no you don't, because we couldn't afford him (I would imagine he would command nearly twice PP's salary based on his experience) and it's been in the press recently that he would only return to a higher tier side.

    I agree with Scruffle, some people on here need to get real; and I also agree with Asa, some people have got to consider what they actually[i aria-level=0 aria-posinset=0 aria-setsize=0]do[u aria-level=0 aria-posinset=0 aria-setsize=0][/u][/i][u aria-level=0 aria-posinset=0 aria-setsize=0][/u]know before spouting illogical and non-sensical opinions based on nothing at all. Of course you're free to air them, but if they're based solely on hunches and guess work, then they won't be considered that valid by other readers.

    that rules every out you say then doesn't it.

    Que? Care to elaborate?

    I try to base everything I say on some level of fact. Opinions about facts can vary, but forming opinions based on things you make up or are purely guessing (eg. PP has poor man management skills/PP lacks motivational skills/ Steve Coppell would want to come here/etc) is a little bit silly.

    you need to read the original post then,Soundas said people were saying we should get rid of parky without having any names to replace him,I said Steve
    Coppell given the jobs he done at Brighton but more importantly Brentford (i wasn't even referring to his time at Reading) without any money he nearly got them promoted and in the meantime unearthed Stephen Hunt, Sonko & ingurmardsson whilst there.I don't think Coppell was on big money at Reading & definately wasn't at Brighton or Brentford,it seems to me he excels more at a lower level with less money to work with and therefore that is how I based
    my opinion if thats ok with you.
  • Fact is if a new manager had the same record this season we wouldn't be asking these questions!!!

    We would be saying great job he has had no money, had the carrot dangled of potential money lined up signings only for the carrot to be whipped away and still with a squad of free signings and championship mishaps we are 2nd!!

    Yes I understand the frustrations and concerns with the last few results and dont get me wrong i get as frustraited as everyone. but after a few hours i take a step back and look at realistically.

    I do feel as most do this is a key time in the season and i'm not sure we have the players with creative ability to undo other teams and finish in the top 2. i do feel we probably have enough about us to make the play offs i hope.

    Come 3 on saturday we will learn much more about our side than playing in the FA cup against non league oppo and the JPT.

    COYR
  • The fact is:

    We are not playing well, or scoring enough goals.

    It falls to the manager and coach to deal with this.

    Teams like Oldham, Gillingham and Carlisle should not be taking points from us - if we are serious promotion candidates.

    We have been to Norwich, Colchester and Leeds and gained 2 points from a possible 9 - these are our close rivals for the top 2 spots.

    It's all about expectation, and at the start of the season we were well above what i expected, but we are now playing well below - and gates at the Valley will begin to reflect that I reckon.
  • I think we (and for the first time this season I'm actually going so that includes me) need to get right behind the team. Look at what Pardew said about the fans being behind the team and it making a difference. The team are going through a rough patch and they need support not abuse. Judging by most of the posts on here his week, I get the impression that half of our fans just can't wait to start booing so I'm not too optimistic.
  • [cite]Posted By: CAFCBourne[/cite]Fact is if a new manager had the same record this season we wouldn't be asking these questions!!!

    We would be saying great job he has had no money, had the carrot dangled of potential money lined up signings only for the carrot to be whipped away and still with a squad of free signings and championship mishaps we are 2nd!!

    Completely agree and I think so long as any manager is in charge they should be fully supported!
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  • Steve Sutherland said at the bromley meeting he feels top 2 may be beyond us,and that we have to stay in the playoff picture.
  • [cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]I don't think i've hardly ever disagreed with anything Parky has said.

    But words are just words. We can all talk the right game, but we desperately need to not just say it, but do it now.

    totally agree .... curbs was boring... pardew's much more upbeat/pards talks shit...... parkinsons level headed/parky's watching a different game ......

    it's what happens on the pitch that matters and it hasn't been happening of late
  • [cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]I don't think i've hardly ever disagreed with anything Parky has said.

    But words are just words. We can all talk the right game, but we desperately need to not just say it, but do it now.

    Spot on. I don't gve a toss that he can talk a good game, I'll base my opinion on what I see in front of me.

    My opinion is that he isn't tactically good enough. He looks for something to happen rather than doing something to make it happen, be it with a change of formation or substitutions.

    It's down to him to prove the doubters wrong with performances on the pitch not spin in a press conference.
  • [cite]Posted By: Valiantphil[/cite]The fact is:

    We are not playing well, or scoring enough goals.

    It falls to the manager and coach to deal with this.

    Teams like Oldham, Gillingham and Carlisle should not be taking points from us - if we are serious promotion candidates.

    We have been to Norwich, Colchester and Leeds and gained 2 points from a possible 9 - these are our close rivals for the top 2 spots.

    It's all about expectation, and at the start of the season we were well above what i expected, but we are now playing well below - and gates at the Valley will begin to reflect that I reckon.

    You are right we are not scoring but he tried with no money to solve this by getting Mckenzie in, ok the guy has been injured and thats the gamble you take with no money but IF he gets fit he will make a major difference.

    In football results Carlise took a point from Elland rd, oldham beat MK Dons, Gillingham drew at Norwich, these things happen!!

    Ok we have gone to these three and only picked up 2 points very nearly 4 let them come to us and see how it pans out

    Maybe the bar was raised by the start but we all knew the squad was paper thin and it was going to be a long tough campaign.

    All the teams below us colchester, norwich, millwall, mk dons are all on a good run and only just pulling level with us, we need desperately to regroup quickly and push on again all of these sides will have a sticky period IMO
  • [cite]Posted By: northstandsteve[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Si[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: northstandsteve[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Si[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: northstandsteve[/cite]i said steve coppell so i have a weavers shoe

    Well, no you don't, because we couldn't afford him (I would imagine he would command nearly twice PP's salary based on his experience) and it's been in the press recently that he would only return to a higher tier side.

    I agree with Scruffle, some people on here need to get real; and I also agree with Asa, some people have got to consider what they actuallydoknow before spouting illogical and non-sensical opinions based on nothing at all. Of course you're free to air them, but if they're based solely on hunches and guess work, then they won't be considered that valid by other readers.

    that rules every out you say then doesn't it.

    Que? Care to elaborate?

    I try to base everything I say on some level of fact. Opinions about facts can vary, but forming opinions based on things you make up or are purely guessing (eg. PP has poor man management skills/PP lacks motivational skills/ Steve Coppell would want to come here/etc) is a little bit silly.

    you need to read the original post then,Soundas said people were saying we should get rid of parky without having any names to replace him,I said Steve
    Coppell given the jobs he done at Brighton but more importantly Brentford (i wasn't even referring to his time at Reading) without any money he nearly got them promoted and in the meantime unearthed Stephen Hunt, Sonko & ingurmardsson whilst there.I don't think Coppell was on big money at Reading & definately wasn't at Brighton or Brentford,it seems to me he excels more at a lower level with less money to work with and therefore that is how I based
    my opinion if thats ok with you.

    Yes, I agree with your sentiment here. I don't dispute that it's likely Coppell would do a great job - and personally I would love him here if/when Parky leaves. But my point is that he isn't a valid suggestion to make - he would need to take a huge pay cut to come (his last job was on Premier League money for 5 years - what he earned in his earlier jobs is irrelevant, eg. I'm sure Alex Ferguson was on an affordable wage when he was at Aberdeen, but no one would hire him on that money now), and SC has said recently that he would only manage in a higher tier. So it's not a viable suggestion. It's like me saying I think Luis felipe Scolari should replace Parky.
  • [cite]Posted By: Covered End[/cite]Just listened to him on the O/S and he's not as illogical as many would have us believe.

    Have a listen, but basically he says MK Dons is THE big game & obviously not the cup games.

    Therefore, he picked the 11 he wanted to play MK and then worked out who would play in the cup games accordingly.

    He also said Burton & McKenzie would have played if fit.

    Therefore, I presume he has been resting/letting recover from injury to a greater or lesser extent :-

    Richardson, Sodje, Sam, Racon, Bailey, Burton, McKenzie.

    That's 7 yes 7 which have not played in full the last 2 games, who I hope will benefit accordingly on Saturday.

    I think I'm right in saying only Youga, Dailly and Semedo will play all 3.

    I think Jon Jo will be on the bench on Saturday.

    COYR


    If Sam plays tomorrow then he'll have played all 3 as well. Although i use the term played rather loosely as he's been sh*t for weeks.
  • I think this would rule out Coppell coming to CAFC, unless you consider us to be a very high profile job.

    Former Reading boss Steve Coppell has ruled himself out of contention for the vacant managerial role at Brighton.

    The 54-year-old had been the favourite to take on the job at the Withdean Stadium following the dismissal of Russell Slade in early November.

    But Albion chairman Tony Bloom told the Brighton Argus: "Steve was one of the first names to spring to mind, and he would have been a leading candidate.

    "But on initial contact he ruled himself out."

    Bloom added: "He is enjoying his time out of the game, after leaving Reading last summer, and I think only a very high profile job could tempt him back into football at this time."
  • we are a high profile job - taking a big(ish) club back to dizzy premier league heights.
  • I like the bloke.
  • [cite]Posted By: SoundAsa£[/cite]Parky is a decent bloke and not as clueless as some would make out....not saying I'm his No1 fan or that he's won us all over but he's OK.
    Some of the utter crap talked about him on here is astonishing to be honest. I note that none of those who want him out have 'weavers shoe' who they want to take over from him(other than Curb's of course)....he may or may not succeed in getting us back up this season but I'm certain he'll give it his very best shot and in saying that he can do no more.
    We need some stability in the managerial stakes and like him or not he's who we've chosen...SO LET'S BACK HIM.

    I think most managers would give it their very best shot at getting us promoted. I would give it my best shot too. But, Parkinson actually can do more, like take a leaf out of all the other managers books in the professional leaque. Surely, you can see that he does not know what to do tactically or knows what the best positions are for certain players. Every game I listen to live on CAFC TV, the commentaters frequently mention the need to change formation and / or bring on fresh players. I'm constantly crying out for it on the terraces. Parkinson does eventually carry out the task but at the wrong stages in the games. I have to say while I will back him as our manager, he is not very good at it.
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