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Square pegs, round holes ....

edited October 2009 in General Charlton
we hear from Parky that Tuna is pushing Shelvey for a place, McLeod pushing Burton, Basey pushing Youga etc so why then if Richardson is out tomorrow are we likely to switch Youga to RB when Solly is pushing for a chance ? If Solly is Richardson's deputy then if he is out surely he should step in. I don't like this square pegs in round holes idea and also thereby making more changes to the back four than is necessary. If this happens only one of last weeks back four will start in the same position. That is too many changes. If Solly is good enough then give him a go, he didn't let us down last time.

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  • Personally, I'm not totally convinced Solly is quite there yet - he got done a few times at Hereford and by the sounds of it (although I was not there) suffered a bit at times against Barnet, although the same could be said of Richardson against Exeter.

    I think I'm in general agreement with your point, especially as Youga has been playing well with Bailey and providing the main attacking thrust down that flank, but I can see why Parky might be reluctant to start Solly against a good Oldham side, especially when the right side will already be weaker and inexperienced if Wagstaff has to come in for Sam.
  • start Solly for me, Youga worries me enough at left back, let alone right back !!!
  • I imagine Parky is considering moving Youga across because he is concerned about having Solly and Wagstaff down the right. Both are improving rapidly, but perhaps they're not ready yet. Presumably the strength of Oldham's left hand side is also a factor - can anyone shed any light on whether they have a good left back/left winger?
  • Parky has previously said, in reference to Josh Wright I think, that throwing a player in the deep end too early can be a significant setback for their development.
  • I would always play my best available 11 players - and fit the formation around them.

    But then what do I know?
  • [cite]Posted By: Salad[/cite]Parky has previously said, in reference to Josh Wright I think, that throwing a player in the deep end too early can be a significant setback for their development.

    i think that was in reference to wagstaff
  • It said on the OS that they may use Basey and Youga instead of Solly because the Oldham left winger is tidy in the air, so it might be better to use a taller full-back.
    Don't see what the problem is, no point throwing the young 'un in and him being absolutely slaughtered in the air all game.
  • [cite]Posted By: oohaahmortimer[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Salad[/cite]Parky has previously said, in reference to Josh Wright I think, that throwing a player in the deep end too early can be a significant setback for their development.

    i think that was in reference to wagstaff


    Wrong he was actually talking about Wayne Rooney. Thrown in at the deep end for Everton at 16, his career suffered because of it and he's now a paperboy in Toxteth.
  • but what if 2 of your best players were goalkeepers.....
  • [cite]Posted By: MrOneLung[/cite]but what if 2 of your best players were goalkeepers.....

    Conversely, what if none of the 11 were keepers.

    How do you think Stevie Brown got to play?
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  • I just think Parky is keeping the other manager guessing as to what his line up will be

    Wouldn't be totally surprised if Richardson plays.
  • we hear from Parky that Tuna is pushing Shelvey for a place.... Large Addick...... be surprised if that was the case, not sure yet if they know what Tamer's best position is ....... He played very deep for the first 15 minutes in the week, and knowing the lad feel he is best behind the centre forward or behind the front two. he has a real turn of speed and a great footballing brain, which you saw on Tuesday. In the months to come can see him playing an increasing role in the team, hopefully along with Shelvey, especially if we play 1 up front. As I said after the game needs time and careful management which the lad has, but then I am biased knowing him.
  • [cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]I just think Parky is keeping the other manager guessing as to what his line up will be

    Wouldn't be totally surprised if Richardson plays.

    I thank you.
  • [cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]I just think Parky is keeping the other manager guessing as to what his line up will be

    Wouldn't be totally surprised if Richardson plays.

    I thank you.

    Big Head ;)
  • I just love this - a thread about Parky not playing people in the proper positions BEFORE he's played anyone out of position.

    Let's face it, the guy just can't win with some and never will.

    Probably the same people who wanted Curbs out as he couldn't take us "to the next level". The sort of people who see us lose once into mid October and still ain't happy - yet apparently have been watching us for years and therefore surely they know a good seson when they see one? God knows there have been enough cack ones.

    Mugs.
  • to be fair Parky himself said Richardson was 50-50 at best and if he missed out might switch Youga to RB and bring in Basey. I thought it worth commenting on and did say IF it happens.
    Didn't realise I wasn't allowed an opinion. And, if I'm not a Parky lover, at least I'm being consistant.
  • Whatever mate - read my comments anyway you want. Can't say I'm bothered either way.
  • Henry Irving predicted: ''I just think Parky is keeping the other manager guessing as to what his line up will be ...Wouldn't be totally surprised if Richardson plays.''

    Well done on Richardson. But if that's Parky keeping the Oldham manager guessing , it was a pretty pathetic effort. Oldham knew exactly what to expect, prepared a plan to nullify us and it worked a treat for them because we were so predicitable and unenterprising.

    Wouldn't have been at all worried if Basey had played- thought he was superb in mid-week and I think he will eventually play an important part this season.

    Big test for Parky next weekend, I think. After more than 270 mins without a league goal, surely he has to unveil the fabled plan (b) next Saturday?
  • [cite]Posted By: nigel w[/cite] Oldham knew exactly what to expect, prepared a plan to nullify us and it worked a treat for them because we were so predicitable and unenterprising.
    Blimey, Nigel, remind me again how many we lost by?
    Yes, credit Oldham, their gameplan worked. Just.
    Big test for Parky next weekend, I think. After more than 270 mins without a league goal, surely he has to unveil the fabled plan (b) next Saturday?
    I agree it is a big big test.
    But what is all this plan B crap? I don't get it. It's too simplistic to say that IMO.
    Parky saw we weren't getting a breakthrough yesterday and changed the formation, the personnel and the tactics.Doesn't that count as a plan B?
    It didn't get us a result but probably should have, we had enough chances.

    The system we've been playing made the most of the players we have and got results until recently and we all know you don't change a winning team.
    Now we have McKenzie coming back to fitness and some of the kids gaining confidence; we'll see whether Parky is ready to mix it up.
  • edited October 2009
    what is all this plan B crap?''

    See Scoham's reference elsewhere to the headline on the report of the game in The Times and the quotes from the Oldham captain, Six-a-bag !

    ''Parky saw we weren't getting a breakthrough yesterday and changed the formation, the personnel and the tactics.Doesn't that count as a plan B?''

    Well, try this from the Mail on Sunday:

    ''Opting to leave Dean Burton as a lone striker, with the usually purposeful Jonjo Shelvey hopelessly lost in a roaming role was, in the circumstances, a desperately negative move.' With three strikers on the bench, Parkinson then neglected to alter his mis-firing plan until the 63rd minute, which ensured Charlton achieved little more than they deserved. ''

    I think what a lot of people are saying is that it was too late to break the pattern of the game. Surely time to start the game with a different set-up next week as we seek our first goal in four games. Especialy at home against opponents who are hoping for a point at best (as Oldham certainly were)...
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  • To be honest Nigel I don't think our views are that far apart.
    It's just that a lot of people seem to be sticking a "no plan b" label on Parky as though he only knows one way of playing.
    I mean, pleeeeeaase!.
    I don't agree with the view that he should he changed our formation ahead of kick-off against Oldham; it would have shown a complete lack of faith.
    During the game he recognised the need to change it and did, and nearly got a result.
    Now, I'll accept the view that he could/should have changed it sooner - that much is moot.

    With the new reality of no goals in 3 games, I agree perhaps nows the time to make the change(s)
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