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Parkies contract

edited September 2009 in General Charlton
My recollection of the discussions last year is that Parkies contract expires in the summer.

Should we now get into discussions over a new one? Whilst the takeover talks could be a major stumbling block for new negotiations, the longer he gets the team to perform well the more attractive he becomes to the lower reaches of the Championship. He must be moving form the "would not touch with a barge pole" status to sought after.

Personally, I think regardless of takeover, we should look to tie him up for a two year contract around January, if we keep performing.

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  • Even though our start has been excellent, a few indifferent results and the fickle nature of fans will set in and the crtics who hated parky last season will return so think we should wait before looking into a longer contract. We have some tricky fixtures coming up so let's see how we get on in those.
    Saying that come January we will have a clearer idea of where the team could be going and the takeover so then will be the perfect time to tie Parky to a longer deal
  • [cite]Posted By: cafcdan18[/cite]Saying that come January we will have a clearer idea of where the team could be going and the takeover so then will be the perfect time to tie Parky to a longer deal

    Or if results are poor to a stake!! :-)
  • bloody hell !! He's got us off to a great start this season but it is much, much too soon to start talking of new contracts. Eight games ago we were talking of a record of 3 wins in 31 games. Now, suddenly, some people are wetting themselves over Parky. Parky needs a song, Parky needs a medal, Parky mugs, Parky mousemats etc etc. Let's just hang fire and wait shall we. I'd even wait until the end of the season. If we've been promoted then ok sit down and talk to him and see if he can convince the then Board that he can actually manage in the Championship, he has tried twice before and failed miserably. We run the risk he could walk away into another job but so be it. He still has a lot to prove at the moment imo.
  • [cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]bloody hell !! He's got us off to a great start this season but it is much, much too soon to start talking of new contracts. Eight games ago we were talking of a record of 3 wins in 31 games. Now, suddenly, some people are wetting themselves over Parky. Parky needs a song, Parky needs a medal, Parky mugs, Parky mousemats etc etc. Let's just hang fire and wait shall we. I'd even wait until the end of the season. If we've been promoted then ok sit down and talk to him and see if he can convince the then Board that he can actually manage in the Championship, he has tried twice before and failed miserably. We run the risk he could walk away into another job but so be it. He still has a lot to prove at the moment imo.

    Well said Large. If they are doing Parky badges perhaps CL could offer to make them :-)
  • [cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]bloody hell !! He's got us off to a great start this season but it is much, much too soon to start talking of new contracts. Eight games ago we were talking of a record of 3 wins in 31 games. Now, suddenly, some people are wetting themselves over Parky. Parky needs a song, Parky needs a medal, Parky mugs, Parky mousemats etc etc. Let's just hang fire and wait shall we. I'd even wait until the end of the season. If we've been promoted then ok sit down and talk to him and see if he can convince the then Board that he can actually manage in the Championship, he has tried twice before and failed miserably. We run the risk he could walk away into another job but so be it. He still has a lot to prove at the moment imo.

    well said, we have all seen plan A working very nicely and well done to parky for the job done so far, my concern is there is no plan B.
  • edited September 2009
    [cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]bloody hell !! He's got us off to a great start this season but it is much, much too soon to start talking of new contracts. Eight games ago we were talking of a record of 3 wins in 31 games. Now, suddenly, some people are wetting themselves over Parky. Parky needs a song, Parky needs a medal, Parky mugs, Parky mousemats etc etc. Let's just hang fire and wait shall we. I'd even wait until the end of the season. If we've been promoted then ok sit down and talk to him and see if he can convince the then Board that he can actually manage in the Championship, he has tried twice before and failed miserably. We run the risk he could walk away into another job but so be it. He still has a lot to prove at the moment imo.

    Very sensible.

    Some people have become infatuated by the excellent start.
    A lot more needs to be done to offset last season.

    Parky will eventually be evaluated over a balance of his tenure.

    I am pleased by the way it is tipping now. But it was upside down last season, and he was just as much a part of that.
    If he overcomes that, and wins us over, great. Much too soon right now, and still too many negatives that still need to be forgotten.
  • FFS who is wetting themselves, its a reasonable effing question, which did not suggest a contract now but raised a pertinent question.
  • [cite]Posted By: Kap10[/cite]FFS who is wetting themselves, its a reasonable effing question, which did not suggest a contract now but raised a pertinent question.
    Agreed. It would be the same people moaning if come next summer Parky decides to walk away anyway "Why didnt we talk about getting him a new contract after our great start blah blah blah"

    I do wonder though, away from the contract, what Parky does need to do to get some fans "on-side"? Does he need to go 21 odd games unbeaten to "balance things out"?
  • just get us back to 3rd bottom of the championship where he found us as manager would be a start and then maybe to 5th spot in the championship, where he found us as coach/assistant ;-)
  • edited September 2009
    [cite]Posted By: Kap10[/cite]FFS who is wetting themselves, its a reasonable effing question, which did not suggest a contract now but raised a pertinent question.
    hear hear!

    Pardew's rot was well and truly set in by the time he was sacked - an outside appointment might have been the best hope of saving the fast sinking ship, but that was the board's decision, not a fault of Parkinson's. He turned round the performances but not the results and he spoke sense, unlike his predecessor. I think most fans saw enough to want to see him given a fair crack of the whip this season, although probably a rather short one if he didn't deliver. What he has delivered under trying circumstances has been admirable, especially the quality and character of players brought in on free transfers.

    It is early days and the results for the rest of the season cannot match what we have had so far - indeed we have a tougher run of games coming up, but I suspect that most fans currently believe we have the best man for the job. Even those who were very anti-PP on here last season are biting their tongues at the moment.
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  • Ooh Aah's gonna love this ....... ;o)

    There's been a little inconsistancy going on.

    Curbs was let go because he wouldn't extend his existing contract, which still had an entire year to run.
    Richard Murray at the time made clear that wasn't sufficient at all.

    Parky is actually working with a contract that expires in just 9 months.

    Sure, I appreciate there has been a change of status and club finances in the past 3 years. But ......
  • Agree with Large to an extent even if the language was a bit OTT and "tainted" by his initial hatred of all things PP. Ditto American Addick.

    So far, so good but still plenty of games to play yet.

    Meanwhile Kap is asking a valid question about his contract.

    Personally I would prefer some sort of rolling contract with clauses that if we go 10 games without a win we can sack him without compensation (this isn't anti PP I think we should have this with any manager) but with built in bonus for PP for promotion from the Championship (not league 1) and a fixed compensation amount for when Man Utd come calling.
  • An earlier post mentioned moaning if Phil Parkinson 'walks away'....err, what were the circumstances when he left Colchester for Hull?
  • It's something that will have to be considered, but still too early for me. I think he'll do a good job, but at the moment it can wait. If he can take us up he'll be able to keep us up, but we should at least see where we are in a couple of months before talking about new contracts.
  • Parky has already demonstrated his commitment and integrity to the Charlton cause, and applied himself most diligently.
    That shouldn't have gone unnoticed.
  • [quote][cite]Posted By: seth plum[/cite]An earlier post mentioned moaning if Phil Parkinson 'walks away'....err, what were the circumstances when he left Colchester for Hull?[/quote]

    Not really sure but I think after we were refused permission, Parkie designated that the relationship had broken down and walked (I may be wrong) breaking his contract, Hull then were required to pay compensation to Colchester.

    If Parkie were to walk now from us it would be a similar situation. Whilstn he is on Assisstant Managers wages they are still probably greater than many 3rd tier managers (This assumption is based on the fact that he belatedly turned down the Huddersfield managers job when offered a revised contract by Charlton just before a press conference announcing his appointment). However, the level of compensation would be tempered by the few months left on his contract.

    I like HI's idea of a rolling contract with penalty and bonus clauses in it, but later in the season.
  • Kap, my understanding was the Colchester asked Charlton for £250k to SPEAK to PP. Ipswich were also said to have been refused permission although I don't know it that was the same as with CAFC.

    Also PP said he never accepted any job at Huddersfield. He was offered the job and asked for time to consider. The next thing he heard that Huddersfield had arranged a press conference to announce his appointment.
  • [cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]Ooh Aah's gonna love this ....... ;o)

    There's been a little inconsistancy going on.

    Curbs was let go because he wouldn't extend his existing contract, which still had an entire year to run.
    Richard Murray at the time made clear that wasn't sufficient at all.

    Parky is actually working with a contract that expires in just 9 months.

    Sure, I appreciate there has been a change of status and club finances in the past 3 years. But ......

    A fair point oggy, but we're operating in the lower two divisions where rolling year-on-year contracts are a regular thing. The financial security outweighs the uncertainty and risk of someone walking away for nothing. In the summer PP showed he can work well in that situation, and players at this level will be more accepting of it too. In the PL they can afford to take the gamble of long-term contracts and they're unlikely to have to sell a player to pay off a manager like we seemed to with luke varney and pardew.

    As for offering him a new deal I'd be looking to wait until at least christmas, because there's a lot of football to play. The way things went wrong in our first championship season shows that.
  • [quote][cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]bloody hell !! He's got us off to a great start this season but it is much, much too soon to start talking of new contracts. Eight games ago we were talking of a record of 3 wins in 31 games. Now, suddenly, some people are wetting themselves over Parky. Parky needs a song, Parky needs a medal, Parky mugs, Parky mousemats etc etc. Let's just hang fire and wait shall we. I'd even wait until the end of the season. If we've been promoted then ok sit down and talk to him and see if he can convince the then Board that he can actually manage in the Championship, he has tried twice before and failed miserably. We run the risk he could walk away into another job but so be it. He still has a lot to prove at the moment imo.[/quote]

    What he said.
  • [cite]Posted By: StrikerFirmani[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]bloody hell !! He's got us off to a great start this season but it is much, much too soon to start talking of new contracts. Eight games ago we were talking of a record of 3 wins in 31 games. Now, suddenly, some people are wetting themselves over Parky. Parky needs a song, Parky needs a medal, Parky mugs, Parky mousemats etc etc. Let's just hang fire and wait shall we. I'd even wait until the end of the season. If we've been promoted then ok sit down and talk to him and see if he can convince the then Board that he can actually manage in the Championship, he has tried twice before and failed miserably. We run the risk he could walk away into another job but so be it. He still has a lot to prove at the moment imo.[/quote

    A review at Christmas and a bonus element for Promotion should be considered
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  • You all hated his guts last year and slagged him off for being clueless. Now he's the new Brian Clough. Fickle, fickle,fickle.
  • edited September 2009
    [cite]Posted By: kentisblueandwhite[/cite]You all hated his guts last year and slagged him off for being clueless. Now he's the new Brian Clough. Fickle, fickle,fickle.

    I can see why you say that but it was more that some fans tarred him with the same brush as Pardew rather than hated him.

    Frankly Pardew was so egocentric that Parky was almost anonymous and unknown to the fans until he got given the job. In Gills terms the equivalent of say Wayne Jones when Pulis was there.
  • [cite]Posted By: kentisblueandwhite[/cite]You all hated his guts last year and slagged him off for being clueless. Now he's the new Brian Clough. Fickle, fickle,fickle.

    Have to agree up to a point, Lord Cooper, although it wasn't "all" of us and no one has said he's the new Brian Clough. And BTW Clough flopped at both Leeds and Brighton in-between his success at Derby and Forest. Maybe we were all more patient then.

    Some, a minority I agree, were willing to give him time and could see what he was trying to do in difficult circumstances.

    Of course at Gillingham managers have never turned from heroes to villains and vice versa in the eyes of fans. I would cite an example but I don't know any of your managers since Keith "Mr Charlton" Peacock left.
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