Has Shelvy's value doubled overnight?

Red_in_SE8

I think the new home grown quota rule announced by the Premiership last night has resulted in an immediate and significant increase in Shelvy's value in the transfer market.

From next season the Premiership clubs are going to have to include at least 8 home grown players (defined as a player who trained for at least 3 years before the age of 21 at an English or Welsh club - which means Sam falls within that definition as well). Very few of the premiership clubs are in a position to do that at the moment. During the next two transfer windows a lot more premiership clubs will be chasing players like Shelvy to help them meet that quota.

addic4lyf1991

[cite]Posted By: Red_in_SE8[/cite]I think the new home grown quota rule announced by the Premiership last night has resulted in an immediate and significant increase in Shelvy's value in the transfer market.

From next season the Premiership clubs are going to have to include at least 8 home grown players (defined as a player who trained for at least 3 years before the age of 21 at an English or Welsh club - which means Sam falls within that definition as well). Very few of the premiership clubs are in a position to do that at the moment. During the next two transfer windows a lot more premiership clubs will be chasing players like Shelvy to help them meet that quota.

dont it just make you fell sorry for chealse though XDXDXD

JT

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ShootersHillGuru

Make you right Red. Sounds in principal like a good new rule but not if it means Prem clubs hunting for home grown talent by preying on smaller clubs. It was always thus though I suppose. Agree that Shelvey and others like him will have seen an increase in their value. Good post.

Henry Irving

Wasn't Shelvey sold over the summer.

I could have sworn that people were saying he was definitely going to be sold as soon as he signed his first pro contract.

North Lower Neil

[cite]Posted By: ShootersHillGuru[/cite]Make you right Red. Sounds in principal like a good new rule but not if it means Prem clubs hunting for home grown talent by preying on smaller clubs. It was always thus though I suppose. Agree that Shelvey and others like him will have seen an increase in their value. Good post.

Good point - perhaps should have been brought in at the same time as something trying to stop the Defoe/Bostock-style scenario - at least increased compensation.

That way it would help money run down the leagues a bit, which is what the game needs.

Addick Addict

[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]Wasn't Shelvey sold over the summer.

I could have sworn that people were saying he was definitely going to be sold as soon as he signed his first pro contract.

Some people on here said that Dickson had gone to Gillingham ;-)

Henry Irving

[cite]Posted By: Addick Addict[/cite]

[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]Wasn't Shelvey sold over the summer.

I could have sworn that people were saying he was definitely going to be sold as soon as he signed his first pro contract.

Some people on here said that Dickson had gone to Gillingham ;-)

Did they? Who was that?

I remembering saying yesterday IF Dickson goes to Gillingham but no one could read that and confuse it with what you said : - )

Salad

to me his value is what he gives to the team, and by extension to us the fans - as such it remained steady overnight

uncle

[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]Wasn't Shelvey sold over the summer.

I could have sworn that people were saying he was definitely going to be sold as soon as he signed his first pro contract.

Yes i believe your right wasn't he sold to Chelsea FACT

guinnessaddick

[cite]Posted By: uncle[/cite]

[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]Wasn't Shelvey sold over the summer.

I could have sworn that people were saying he was definitely going to be sold as soon as he signed his first pro contract.

Yes i believe your right wasn't he sold to Chelsea FACT

He would have gone, but Chelsea can't buy anyone. ;-0)

golfaddick

the rule wont be implemented........the big 4 will get their lawyers onto it and will challenge it in the courts under "restraint of trade"

uncle

[cite]Posted By: guinnessaddick[/cite]

[cite]Posted By: uncle[/cite]

[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]Wasn't Shelvey sold over the summer.

I could have sworn that people were saying he was definitely going to be sold as soon as he signed his first pro contract.

Yes i believe your right wasn't he sold to Chelsea FACT

He would have gone, but Chelsea can't buy anyone. ;-0)

They didn't know that till after. I think if they had any idea about that before the transfer window closed, they would have been very busy in the transfer market. I think his value went up when he signed an extension. It shows he is loyal and isn't gonna run off everytime someone shows him a pound note like some players do.

LenGlover

The rule could well fall foul of EU freedom of movement rules as well I would have thought.

If Jean Fromage, Heinrich Schmidt or Radostin Kishishev jnr want to play football in England EU Law says they can as I understand it....

Chris_from_Sidcup

[cite]Posted By: Red_in_SE8[/cite] Very few of the premiership clubs are in a position to do that at the moment. During the next two transfer windows a lot more premiership clubs will be chasing players like Shelvy to help them meet that quota.

Doesn't the rule mean that even if the player is foreign but trained here as a kid (eg. Fabregas) then they count as home grown? Every prem club accepted this rule and there's no way the big 4 would've done so if it hindered them.
Even Chelsea who can't sign anyone could muster 8 (Terry, Lampard, Cole, Cole, Mancienne, Turnbull and Sturridge is 7, so they promote a kid like Sinclair or Stoch and they've got their 8.
And Arsenal who are widely accepted to have barely any homegrown players can get round the rule because the likes of Fabregas, Clichy, Bendtner, Diaby, Djorou and Vela were here as kids, and that's without Walcott, Ramsey and Wilshere.
Whilst the rule is a step in the right direction i don't think it'll have that great an impact.

nigel

Think this rule change has been pretty comprehensively run past m'learned friends and been deemed to be legally watertight. The ECB are introducing an almost identical system in county cricket next season, too...

WipeoutJunkie

Yeah I don't think 8 players is nearly enough and since they can still class foreign players as homegrown, the big boys will still carry on spending their money abroad. I think only Liverpool out of the big four are going to need to make a few changes arn't they?

BlackForestReds

I don't think it will have that great an effect - it may catch one or two clubs out but the bigger teams will only have agreed to this if they had the players in their squad already.

paulbaconsarnie

just means the bigger clubs will have even bigger pools of 12-16 year olds.

Scoham

Every Prem club has enough at the moment. Though Liverpool and Chelsea only just with 8 each.

From what I've read, Liverpool have 3/4 foreign youngsters who next year can qualify as 'home grown' as they've been over here for a while now.

johnnybev1987

yet another shelvey post, gets a bit boring. no offense :-P

Dazzler21

How many we got?

johnnybev1987

god knows mate, just always come up at least once after everygame. prob got defo over 10, just think we need to give it a rest for a while. not that i dislike him in anways, in fact far from it just everyone over-anyalysing him

Had 1 about his hair, next be what his wearing got ppl give it a rest plz for all our sakes

Mike

this thread ain't just about Shelvey though, hes making a decent valid point.

johnnybev1987

[cite]Posted By: Mike[/cite]this thread ain't just about Shelvey though, hes making a decent valid point.

its not completely but in the title shelvey doesnt mention sam on the title or any others eg. elliot, solly and the list goes on that is my main point really

Dazzler21

[cite]Posted By: Dazzler21[/cite]How many we got?

meant home grown players

johnnybev1987

oh lol sorry mate, havent sat down and thought about that yet. sure someone else will do that for you.....I hope as i cant be bothered

ShootersHillGuru

Might also end up hindering the development of some of these "token" youngsters. Previously they would have been loaned out but now will have to hang around in "the squad" to make up the official quota without any real prospect of playing. More to this rule than meets the eye I think.

Stig

[cite]Posted By: golfaddick[/cite]the rule wont be implemented........the big 4 will get their lawyers onto it and will challenge it in the courts under "restraint of trade"

I expect they'll challenge, but that doesn't mean they'll be successful. The league have obviously got their lawyers to think this through very carefully. I suspect that's why there's all this complex stuff about 3 years before 21, instead of a far simpler "born here".

[cite]Posted By: uncle[/cite]

[cite]Posted By: guinnessaddick[/cite]

[cite]Posted By: uncle[/cite]

[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]Wasn't Shelvey sold over the summer.

I could have sworn that people were saying he was definitely going to be sold as soon as he signed his first pro contract.

Yes i believe your right wasn't he sold to Chelsea FACT

He would have gone, but Chelsea can't buy anyone. ;-0)

They didn't know that till after. I think if they had any idea about that before the transfer window closed, they would have been very busy in the transfer market. I think his value went up when he signed an extension. It shows he is loyal and isn't gonna run off everytime someone shows him a pound note like some players do.

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Kap10

Are there any stats that show how many clubs in the Prem meet this requirement currently. Its not actually the top 6 / 8 / 10 that i fear its the bottom half of the table clubs who will now be looking at players from the lower leagues who they would not have considered before.

Addickson's God

The problem is that the footballing authorities, are under-valuing players when tribunal fees are agreed. They are probably assessing on a players current value (in a lower league side) as opposed to his potential value if he continues his development. If the latter is the guideline, then clubs will be paying higher fees and such moves suddenly become a gamble, with the added bonus that smaller clubs will do better financially, surely fairer and likely to re-invigorate the game.