[cite]Posted By: valleygary[/cite]Altho he is stating the obvious, PP sounds like a man learning from his mistakes. Im warming to him more and more everyday.
Learning from Pardew's mistakes. Not his. He had no choice really.
"if you look at the squad and the amount of players on average you use throughout a season, that would tell us that at some point we might need some short-term loan signings to help us if needs be.”
Sensible approach. Nothing wrong with a good loan at the right time. Darren Ward is a prime example.
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]"if you look at the squad and the amount of players on average you use throughout a season, that would tell us that at some point we might need some short-term loan signings to help us if needs be.”
Sensible approach. Nothing wrong with a good loan at the right time. Darren Ward is a prime example.
I agree. Without going over the top it does seem that pragmatic common sense has taken hold again at SE7, and that gives me further grounds for optimism.
I'm happy with loanees coming in if they add something to the squad and we need them, so good to see that's the way we're going to use the loan system.
What will be interesting is if Pardew has also learnt his lesson. If wikipedia is correct, he's already got 3 loanees, one from Preston, one from Chelsea and Papa Waigo N'Diaye, a Senegal international from Fiorentina. Two are youngsters so only N'Diaye probably has a chance of signing for them permanently. In comparison we've only got Holden on loan who's probably desperate to make the most of what could be his last chance of playing for a bigger club. Loans like that N'Diaye could be players just hoping to use Southampton as a stepping stone to the Premier League...
[cite]Posted By: bigstemarra[/cite]It's good to see reports like this - with Pardew you never knew if he learnt any lessons at all - even obvious ones!
In his case it was a job to understand if he knew what went wrong in order to decide on what lesson he had learned!
[cite]Posted By: bingaddick[/cite]I agree. Without going over the top it does seem that pragmatic common sense has taken hold again at SE7, and that gives me further grounds for optimism.
Some of us have been saying for quite a while that Parky is a 'Charlton type' and that is good news - stories like this onlt add weight to that argument imo.
I'm a fan of PP, have defended him on here before this season and was happy for him to stay on in the job, but I have to say I hope we're not getting too carried away with how well it's going so far. Hopefully people remember all the things we're praising him for when the tougher times come around too.
Being top of the league and after a good end to the transfer window, the praise is coming thick and fast for Parky. But september has some tough games and if we drop some points, I hope fans keep the faith. He's shown an honest, sensible, modest approach which is refreshing after putting up with pardew's ego, so lets stick by the bloke when a few things don't go to plan. It's a long season.
[cite]Posted By: BBClaus[/cite]Being top of the league and after a good end to the transfer window, the praise is coming thick and fast for Parky. But september has some tough games and if we drop some points, I hope fans keep the faith. He's shown an honest, sensible, modest approach which is refreshing after putting up with pardew's ego, so lets stick by the bloke when a few things don't go to plan. It's a long season.
It will happen at some point, whoever the manager is, and I agree I hope we show some patience. There is no manager out there that will take us up playing well and winning every game. Based on how we've performed so far, what Parky has been doing (and saying), the fact he's kept our best players, I don't feel there's a manager out there at the moment that we could realistically get who could help us progress any quicker.
Well I have to say, I'm gradually being drawn in to PP's way of thinking/talking, and the growing belief he has in our team.
I, for one, was never his biggest fan, actually pointing the finger at him for our relegation on more than one occasion, but to be honest, as we all know, 99% of the damage was done before he took over the reigns.
Totally agree that we don't need long-term loanees. Our squad has a belief about it which is refreshing and I hope the buys that PP's made come good for him and us!
I do find it difficult though that total failures like Pardew, get to destroy a squad by wasting so much money on loan players, in a small amount of time, and once the outcome appears (in our case relegation), fail to hold his hands up and admit he was wrong.
I really hope Pardew reads the soundbites that PP's has in the press and realise that the problem was in fact not the crop of players he had, but he himself that was quite honestly, totally f***ing clueless.
[cite]Posted By: BBClaus[/cite]I'm a fan of PP, have defended him on here before this season and was happy for him to stay on in the job, but I have to say I hope we're not getting too carried away with how well it's going so far. Hopefully people remember all the things we're praising him for when the tougher times come around too.
Being top of the league and after a good end to the transfer window, the praise is coming thick and fast for Parky. But september has some tough games and if we drop some points, I hope fans keep the faith. He's shown an honest, sensible, modest approach which is refreshing after putting up with pardew's ego, so lets stick by the bloke when a few things don't go to plan. It's a long season.
Well said.
There is a long way to go.
As someone once said "don't get too high about the highs or too low about the lows".
[cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]I've waited long enough for Charlton to have a strong winning run, so I'm just going to enjoy the moment.
I'd recommend others may like to do the same.
;o)
We all have our own ways of dealing with success Oggy, some won't get their hopes up because they have been dashed so many times before, some are completely impervious to the next elephant trap that comes along, some like yourself like to coast the downs and enjoy the ups, some like me are at times an annoying mixture of all these things!!
For my part I think Kipling had it about right. (If) only I could live up to his wisdom all of the time!!
As you can see by the smiley, my post above was tongue in cheek.
It's up to the individual to do it their way; I wouldn't dream of telling them what they must think, I can only recommend.
;o)
We won 4-0 away at a canter last week, to me that was deep joy and a warm fuzzy glow inside.
I don't let the troughs bottom out into too much despair, but when we get a result and pIay well with a feast of goals, I love to saviour the moment.
We won 4-0 away at a canter last week, and all some people could remember was that Burton didn't score.
Oh, well each to their own .......!
As you can see by the smiley, my post above was tongue in cheek.
It's up to the individual to do it their way; I wouldn't dream of telling them what they must think, I can only recommend.
;o)
We won 4-0 away at a canter last week, to me that was deep joy and a warm fuzzy glow inside.
I don't let the troughs bottom out into too much despair, but when we get a result and pIay well with a feast of goals, I love to saviour the moment.
We won 4-0 away at a canter last week, and all some people could remember was that Burton didn't score.
Oh, well each to their own .......!
;o)
And Shelvey didn't look pleased when substituted (but let's not go there again)
I'm happy to give Parky a fair crack of the whip, he did inherit a bad situation and whatever anyone says, he wasn't the boss during Pardews reign so I don't put it down to him, perhaps he's even learned something from the experience.
I'm still not totally convinced however, I feel he made some mistakes last year,
trying to get every last decent player on the pitch no matter what the impact on the balance of the side,
not giving Dickson a proper crack of the whip in his preferred 442 supported by a big man,
both of which helped us get relegated through lack of goals
and the purchase of Spring, despite the vast number of far better players in his preferred position - he really looks cack, to me anyway.
on the plus side
he seems to be making the best of the remaining players after a mostly desireable clear out,
utilising Shelvey and Bailey to devastating effect
achieved a good balance and cohesion to the side
established a settled 11 and good team ethic/feeling
and made some apparently good signings despite having bugger all to spend
oh yeah and has had a record breaking run of wins, which despite on paper being mostly a championship side, is still no mean feat.
Good luck to him, he is a total contrast to Pards and that gets him my vote
I hope he is allowed freedom to maintain all of this, and you never know perhaps a takeover bonus cash injection.
[cite]Posted By: BBClaus[/cite]I'm a fan of PP, have defended him on here before this season and was happy for him to stay on in the job, but I have to say I hope we're not getting too carried away with how well it's going so far. Hopefully people remember all the things we're praising him for when the tougher times come around too.
Being top of the league and after a good end to the transfer window, the praise is coming thick and fast for Parky. But september has some tough games and if we drop some points, I hope fans keep the faith. He's shown an honest, sensible, modest approach which is refreshing after putting up with pardew's ego, so lets stick by the bloke when a few things don't go to plan. It's a long season.
It is about keeping everything in context.
I thought Parky should get a chance as caretaker, but I would not have hired him after those 8 matches nor brought him back for this season.
In the handbook, he has the worst record of any Charlton manager in club history. The five wins to start the season equals the number of wins he had as manager for his entire spell last season.
I think he is very lucky to still be in the job, and appears to be a beneficiary of the ongoing takeover saga with the club not wanting to make any more managerial changes during the process.
That said, Parky is making the most of his second or third chance as Charlton manager. If it continues, this job may be his career maker, rather than his career breaker. Had he been let go at the end of last season, it was unlikely he would have been handed another chance any time soon.
Unlike Pardont and Dowie, there never seemed to be any personal animus directed toward Parky. Maybe because we were told, from different quarters, that he was a good man that the players wanted to play for.
We'll see how he is able to work the job through the season, and see how the players and supporters respond when there is a dip in fortunes that almost inevitably effects every team.
As for the loanees, that is always going to be a balance. You can't have too many that are mercenaries, while the Wards and Songs can be vital contributors.
Parky is making a lot of good moves this season, but he still has along way to go to balance out the mistakes of last year. Parky is looking forward, and that is a wise direction for him and for the club.
I kind of agree with that AA. I just got to that point a little earlier than you because I felt that something decent was starting to happen at the back end of last season. There seemed to be a real team spirit abroad and some of the football was excellent. It had to be seen in the context of the disasters that preceded it so it was just a feeling really. There is no doubt that he has been incredibly lucky to retain his position. He seems to be making a reasonable fist of it now. Lets not get too carried away but for now it's some progress.
think that is a very fair assessment AA. For me the jury is still out BUT I am warming to Parky gradually. He conducted himself with dignity over the course of a Summer in which he admits his future was in serious doubt, a future that I'm sure would have ended with a takeover being completed. Now, he has a chance to resurrect a career that was all but over. Not only have we started the season well but in difficult circumstances he has managed to bring in five decent signings that everyone seems happy with. However, by also retaining the players he wanted to it means that anything less than a play-off place will be good enough and maybe even that won't be enough. It's early days but he is certainly going in the right direction.
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Learning from Pardew's mistakes. Not his. He had no choice really.
Sensible approach. Nothing wrong with a good loan at the right time. Darren Ward is a prime example.
I agree. Without going over the top it does seem that pragmatic common sense has taken hold again at SE7, and that gives me further grounds for optimism.
What will be interesting is if Pardew has also learnt his lesson. If wikipedia is correct, he's already got 3 loanees, one from Preston, one from Chelsea and Papa Waigo N'Diaye, a Senegal international from Fiorentina. Two are youngsters so only N'Diaye probably has a chance of signing for them permanently. In comparison we've only got Holden on loan who's probably desperate to make the most of what could be his last chance of playing for a bigger club. Loans like that N'Diaye could be players just hoping to use Southampton as a stepping stone to the Premier League...
In his case it was a job to understand if he knew what went wrong in order to decide on what lesson he had learned!
Some of us have been saying for quite a while that Parky is a 'Charlton type' and that is good news - stories like this onlt add weight to that argument imo.
Being top of the league and after a good end to the transfer window, the praise is coming thick and fast for Parky. But september has some tough games and if we drop some points, I hope fans keep the faith. He's shown an honest, sensible, modest approach which is refreshing after putting up with pardew's ego, so lets stick by the bloke when a few things don't go to plan. It's a long season.
It will happen at some point, whoever the manager is, and I agree I hope we show some patience. There is no manager out there that will take us up playing well and winning every game. Based on how we've performed so far, what Parky has been doing (and saying), the fact he's kept our best players, I don't feel there's a manager out there at the moment that we could realistically get who could help us progress any quicker.
I, for one, was never his biggest fan, actually pointing the finger at him for our relegation on more than one occasion, but to be honest, as we all know, 99% of the damage was done before he took over the reigns.
Totally agree that we don't need long-term loanees. Our squad has a belief about it which is refreshing and I hope the buys that PP's made come good for him and us!
I do find it difficult though that total failures like Pardew, get to destroy a squad by wasting so much money on loan players, in a small amount of time, and once the outcome appears (in our case relegation), fail to hold his hands up and admit he was wrong.
I really hope Pardew reads the soundbites that PP's has in the press and realise that the problem was in fact not the crop of players he had, but he himself that was quite honestly, totally f***ing clueless.
Well said.
There is a long way to go.
As someone once said "don't get too high about the highs or too low about the lows".
I'd recommend others may like to do the same.
;o)
We all have our own ways of dealing with success Oggy, some won't get their hopes up because they have been dashed so many times before, some are completely impervious to the next elephant trap that comes along, some like yourself like to coast the downs and enjoy the ups, some like me are at times an annoying mixture of all these things!!
For my part I think Kipling had it about right. (If) only I could live up to his wisdom all of the time!!
As you can see by the smiley, my post above was tongue in cheek.
It's up to the individual to do it their way; I wouldn't dream of telling them what they must think, I can only recommend.
;o)
We won 4-0 away at a canter last week, to me that was deep joy and a warm fuzzy glow inside.
I don't let the troughs bottom out into too much despair, but when we get a result and pIay well with a feast of goals, I love to saviour the moment.
We won 4-0 away at a canter last week, and all some people could remember was that Burton didn't score.
Oh, well each to their own .......!
;o)
Now I'm with you on that one!...:o)
And Shelvey didn't look pleased when substituted (but let's not go there again)
I'm still not totally convinced however, I feel he made some mistakes last year,
trying to get every last decent player on the pitch no matter what the impact on the balance of the side,
not giving Dickson a proper crack of the whip in his preferred 442 supported by a big man,
both of which helped us get relegated through lack of goals
and the purchase of Spring, despite the vast number of far better players in his preferred position - he really looks cack, to me anyway.
on the plus side
he seems to be making the best of the remaining players after a mostly desireable clear out,
utilising Shelvey and Bailey to devastating effect
achieved a good balance and cohesion to the side
established a settled 11 and good team ethic/feeling
and made some apparently good signings despite having bugger all to spend
oh yeah and has had a record breaking run of wins, which despite on paper being mostly a championship side, is still no mean feat.
Good luck to him, he is a total contrast to Pards and that gets him my vote
I hope he is allowed freedom to maintain all of this, and you never know perhaps a takeover bonus cash injection.
It is about keeping everything in context.
I thought Parky should get a chance as caretaker, but I would not have hired him after those 8 matches nor brought him back for this season.
In the handbook, he has the worst record of any Charlton manager in club history. The five wins to start the season equals the number of wins he had as manager for his entire spell last season.
I think he is very lucky to still be in the job, and appears to be a beneficiary of the ongoing takeover saga with the club not wanting to make any more managerial changes during the process.
That said, Parky is making the most of his second or third chance as Charlton manager. If it continues, this job may be his career maker, rather than his career breaker. Had he been let go at the end of last season, it was unlikely he would have been handed another chance any time soon.
Unlike Pardont and Dowie, there never seemed to be any personal animus directed toward Parky. Maybe because we were told, from different quarters, that he was a good man that the players wanted to play for.
We'll see how he is able to work the job through the season, and see how the players and supporters respond when there is a dip in fortunes that almost inevitably effects every team.
As for the loanees, that is always going to be a balance. You can't have too many that are mercenaries, while the Wards and Songs can be vital contributors.
Parky is making a lot of good moves this season, but he still has along way to go to balance out the mistakes of last year. Parky is looking forward, and that is a wise direction for him and for the club.