I wonder if Lennie will include his meeting with Carter ? I wanted to put it back here, but can't remember what thread it was in. It really made me laugh.
"loverly Linda (37) loves wearing Knitwear in bed but little else ....."
Oh, sorry wrong mag
Q Does it hurt to see Charlton in their current prediciment.
A. I bet those fans who rang the phone ins moaning about Alan Curbishley for playing one striker when they should be pushing for Europe are regretting those comments. But they are different fans to the one when I was at the Club. They were loyal, whereas the fans I heard having a go at Alan have probably only been supporting the club since they got in the Premier League.
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]A. I bet those fans who rang the phone ins moaning about Alan Curbishley for playing one striker when they should be pushing for Europe are regretting those comments. But they are different fans to the one when I was at the Club. They were loyal, whereas the fans I heard having a go at Alan have probably only been supporting the club since they got in the Premier League.
[cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]In my copy it say
"loverly Linda (37) loves wearing Knitwear in bed but little else ....."
Oh, sorry wrong mag
Q Does it hurt to see Charlton in their current prediciment.
A. I bet those fans who rang the phone ins moaning about Alan Curbishley for playing one striker when they should be pushing for Europe are regretting those comments. But they are different fans to the one when I was at the Club. They were loyal, whereas the fans I heard having a go at Alan have probably only been supporting the club since they got in the Premier League.
Much as I respect Sir Lennie, he is mistaken. Some of the people who were bored rigid with Curbs' tactics were going long before either of them were associated with the club and were less interested in qualifying for Europe than staying awake, albeit that a large percentage of people who call phone-ins probably find the key-pad a bit of a challenge . . .
[cite]Posted By: oohaahmortimer[/cite]
where at selhurst park where his greatest achievements were made or boro where he fled and tried to nick robert lee for £250k when we were skint
can you imagine sir alan pulling a stunt like that and trying to lift darren bent for a couple of million from us knowing we were utterly desperate for cash. thankfully lennie was well liked and he was able to shake off that blemish unlike sir alan who has his reputation dragged through the mud every 5 minutes by those that never really warmed to him as they could never get over the fact that the board choose him over gritt who everyone loved.
He's morally obliged to do his best for his employer ...... and at the time it was Boro.
It's up to Charlton to stay strong and resist - Curbs & Gritty did.
[cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]
He's morally obliged to do his best for his employer ...... and at the time it was Boro.
well you would always do your best, but not at our expense though when the money was desperately needed to fund the move back to the valley and perhaps kill that move altogether if we didn't get the money.it was a ridiculously rude bid when he would have been all too aware of the circumstances.also pulled the kernaghan move from them.
I don't understand why admiring Curbs is perceived as a slight to Lenny and vice versa. Not forgetting Jimmy Southstand of course who is worth another thread on his own.
Both Lenny and Curbs performed extraordinarily well in adverse circumstances and deserve credit for that.
Lenny miraculously gained promotion whilst playing away every match and even more miraculously was able to cling onto top flight status for 4 seasons with few resources and largely miniscule crowds. The two advantages he had over Curbs were that firstly, with the Heysel ban, first division was as much as players could aspire to so there was nothing to be gained by moving elsewhere in the hope of winning European pots. Secondly the Bosman rule had not come in so it was easier to keep players if desired.
Curbs on the other hand had to contend with a far more volatile transfer market with Bosmans and the influx of foreign players and Sky money. At the same time The Valley in it's present form was still a work in progress so our limited resources had to be distributed between trying to build a team good enough to gain promotion from division 2 (old terminology) / stay in the Premiership and building a ground fit for modern top flight football. Somehow, Curbs, like Lenny, managed to achieve the impossible.
They are both legends. If asked to choose then Curbs shades it for me because he lasted longer and did it at the highest level for longer but there is very little in it.
EDIT: Just realised I failed to mention Curbs' book. I found it interesting. Not written in red top style but, even if ghosted, in the style of the man himself having been privileged enough to meet him on a couple of occasions. I also felt, having "Curbs watched" for all the years he was joint manager and manager, that what he didn't say was as revealing as what he did.
I don't understand why admiring Curbs is perceived as a slight to Lenny and vice versa. Not forgetting Jimmy Southstand of course who is worth another thread on his own.
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Yep, I don't see why this is really up for debate, both were great managers for Charlton, they both faced similar problems in not having much money to play with and yet both created some great teams. The question is would Curbs have done as well had be taken over when Lennie did and of course vice-versa, I think they would both have succeeded.
Always remember Lennie walking into the portacabin at selhurst when my dad and I were there to pick up tickets. Also went to a football course over in Eltham when Lennie turned up. God in my eyes.
Lennie managed at the top level despite not being a 'star' player himself, always a disadvantage. Curbs, of course, has always been regarded as a very good top flight player, so players would respect that. Lennie had his school masterly authority which might give him a communication advantage over Curbs. I note that Lennie has always been emplyed while Curbs is currently out of the game, but maybe waiting for his West Ham dosh. Of course many lower league teams would love Curbs to be their manager. Len is right because in 'Valley of dreams' players like Lisbie are damned by his deafening silence. I would have liked more personal info re the drug scandals with Bowyer et al, plus what was Murphy sulking about? Anyway, my vote is for Curbs but not by much.
As a player let's not forget Curb's role in our promotion in 95/96.In my view he was outstanding that year.
As a coach / manager Lennie certainly rated him enough to bring him back as a coach as maybe LL could be credited as Curb's mentor. So this does not need to be an either or debate.
To my memory he got injured towards the end of our promotion season and this prevented him playing a role in the top flight for us save for a couple of cameos.
A review of his career I think he should be seen as top flight but unlucky with injuries.
The only time I have ever heckled a Charlton player was Curbs, in a ghastly 0-0 v Oxford at Selhurst on the Tuesday night before the Full Members Cup Final in '87. He was so bad that Lennie left him out of the squad for the final at Wembley, causing Curbs' now famous piss-up and walk out...
But another plea for everyone to re-read Curbs book (in which he tells the story above). As the always astute Len Glover says, not written in red top style - but all the better for that, and full of genuine insights into what it's really like managing a football club. In other words, mostly dull and routine Mon-Fri (unless you're Malcolm Allison or Brian Clough), punctured by occasional highs and bursts of Saturday afternoon excitment. . .
The autobiography 'Lennie' available at Amazon (out on 29 September) at less than a tenner...makes a good present. I have ordered mine. Anyone else ordered?
[cite]Posted By: daveroan[/cite]The autobiography 'Lennie' available at Amazon (out on 29 September) at less than a tenner...makes a good present. I have ordered mine. Anyone else ordered?
Might wait and see where the launch and signings are being held.
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Yep, good answer.
Thats where I found out about the book.
What was the answer?
Don't make us go out and buy a 'football magazine'. Most normal people stop doing that at 15 and move onto porn FACT
Yes let us know .....
As for porn Im now alot more technological that I used to be....
"loverly Linda (37) loves wearing Knitwear in bed but little else ....."
Oh, sorry wrong mag
Q Does it hurt to see Charlton in their current prediciment.
A. I bet those fans who rang the phone ins moaning about Alan Curbishley for playing one striker when they should be pushing for Europe are regretting those comments. But they are different fans to the one when I was at the Club. They were loyal, whereas the fans I heard having a go at Alan have probably only been supporting the club since they got in the Premier League.
ouch.
Much as I respect Sir Lennie, he is mistaken. Some of the people who were bored rigid with Curbs' tactics were going long before either of them were associated with the club and were less interested in qualifying for Europe than staying awake, albeit that a large percentage of people who call phone-ins probably find the key-pad a bit of a challenge . . .
Ha ha, knitwear in bed ......
From the Cardigan Kid, himself.
Nice one, Henry!
can you imagine sir alan pulling a stunt like that and trying to lift darren bent for a couple of million from us knowing we were utterly desperate for cash. thankfully lennie was well liked and he was able to shake off that blemish unlike sir alan who has his reputation dragged through the mud every 5 minutes by those that never really warmed to him as they could never get over the fact that the board choose him over gritt who everyone loved.
He's morally obliged to do his best for his employer ...... and at the time it was Boro.
It's up to Charlton to stay strong and resist - Curbs & Gritty did.
End of story, as Lennie would say.
well you would always do your best, but not at our expense though when the money was desperately needed to fund the move back to the valley and perhaps kill that move altogether if we didn't get the money.it was a ridiculously rude bid when he would have been all too aware of the circumstances.also pulled the kernaghan move from them.
he is a legend but no saint.
Both Lenny and Curbs performed extraordinarily well in adverse circumstances and deserve credit for that.
Lenny miraculously gained promotion whilst playing away every match and even more miraculously was able to cling onto top flight status for 4 seasons with few resources and largely miniscule crowds. The two advantages he had over Curbs were that firstly, with the Heysel ban, first division was as much as players could aspire to so there was nothing to be gained by moving elsewhere in the hope of winning European pots. Secondly the Bosman rule had not come in so it was easier to keep players if desired.
Curbs on the other hand had to contend with a far more volatile transfer market with Bosmans and the influx of foreign players and Sky money. At the same time The Valley in it's present form was still a work in progress so our limited resources had to be distributed between trying to build a team good enough to gain promotion from division 2 (old terminology) / stay in the Premiership and building a ground fit for modern top flight football. Somehow, Curbs, like Lenny, managed to achieve the impossible.
They are both legends. If asked to choose then Curbs shades it for me because he lasted longer and did it at the highest level for longer but there is very little in it.
EDIT: Just realised I failed to mention Curbs' book. I found it interesting. Not written in red top style but, even if ghosted, in the style of the man himself having been privileged enough to meet him on a couple of occasions. I also felt, having "Curbs watched" for all the years he was joint manager and manager, that what he didn't say was as revealing as what he did.
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Yep, I don't see why this is really up for debate, both were great managers for Charlton, they both faced similar problems in not having much money to play with and yet both created some great teams. The question is would Curbs have done as well had be taken over when Lennie did and of course vice-versa, I think they would both have succeeded.
Made me laugh, had me in stitches
I thought I'd inject a bit of needle into the thread.
Len is right because in 'Valley of dreams' players like Lisbie are damned by his deafening silence. I would have liked more personal info re the drug scandals with Bowyer et al, plus what was Murphy sulking about?
Anyway, my vote is for Curbs but not by much.
curbs, imo, was an average 2nd tier footballer , never a good top flight player ...i disliked him as a player ...
But he played for Villa and Birmingham in Division (not tier, or flight) 1, didn't he?
So he was at worst an average Division 1, not 2, player.
As a coach / manager Lennie certainly rated him enough to bring him back as a coach as maybe LL could be credited as Curb's mentor. So this does not need to be an either or debate.
To my memory he got injured towards the end of our promotion season and this prevented him playing a role in the top flight for us save for a couple of cameos.
A review of his career I think he should be seen as top flight but unlucky with injuries.
But another plea for everyone to re-read Curbs book (in which he tells the story above). As the always astute Len Glover says, not written in red top style - but all the better for that, and full of genuine insights into what it's really like managing a football club. In other words, mostly dull and routine Mon-Fri (unless you're Malcolm Allison or Brian Clough), punctured by occasional highs and bursts of Saturday afternoon excitment. . .
Thats what she said.....oops!!
Might wait and see where the launch and signings are being held.
Another foreword by SAF, he did Curbs' as well did he not?