The boy is an extremely good footballer. He is 17.
He played some lovely stuff yesterday.
I just wanted to make it clear to the lad if he comes on this site that most folk on here appreciate that he goes out there gives his all and we recognise and fully support his considerable abilities.
I know we sing his name but when you see stuff in print that is derogatory about you it can stay with you especially when you are at the start of your career.
So jonjo if you read this and I hope you do, you always have to look at who is criticising you and ask - who exactly are you?
Anyway you look pretty effing good to me!
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Youve got a massive fan here in Australia mate..... your goal against Orient was top drawer mate.....
I have spent time coaching 7 and 11 year olds. Some of them are great little players and look like exciting prospects but the truth is in 16 years I have maybe seen one lad who might possibly have some chance. It seems to me that the critical time for these kids to make it professionally is between 16 and 19 that is normally when they cut it or they don't.
So the likes of all our players will have had to undergo a ton of hard work and they are ALL extremely good players to get to this level bar none. 99% of the people on this board could not touch their talent.
Jonjo and his like come this way rarely.
I just think that if you are going to write and say some of the derogatory stuff then you had better be at least as good as the person you are knocking. There's that old adage that if you've got nothing good to say how bout you keep your mouth shut.
It may well be different at professional level but absolutely no kid I have ever coached has ever responded to negative destructive comment. You can tell them where to improve and what you are looking for and you can build their confidence and they will run their hearts out and play to their best.
I am not suggesting that people should not voice their views at all but calling a player at this level the varied equivalents of useless is utter nonsense and pointless.
And whilst we are all entitled to an opinion it does not follow that it automatically has any merit.
For instance if NASA rang me up to ask me for my opinion on their new Saturn rocket I could say some old bollocks about it but my views would hardly be much use to anyone would they?
do you think they would be a bit sensitive to your criticism?
It seems to me that friendly advice or saying someone looked out of sorts or didn't play very well has become an horrendous crime and that it's in some way connected with twats that shout really insulting stuff from the terraces rather than folk making a genuine heartfelt opinion or observation....there's a big big difference....don't merge the two.
I'll just say this....haven't we all come across some kid or another misbehaving or doing something wrong and we've pulled them up for it....and got the reply back "I bet you used to do things like that when you were my age". My reply to that normaly is .........."Yes I did...and I just like you are now, I used to get some advice or a bollocking for it." It's called learning I believe.
Just think it is completely unnecessary. We all might complain when a player misses something we feel is easy. That is fair enough in the moment.
And I'm sure we have all written stuff that may have been unfair I have done it myself.
I just think in this instance there are comments that are not fair and we could do better than that in my opinion especially to one of our own players
What EXACTLY do you mean 3blokes?
Are you talking about the twats who shout out insulting stuff or those who make genuine observations and opinions put in a positive fashion..there's a huge difference..so where is that line crossed?
I for one am now confused as to what I can and cannot comment on re Jonjo, therefore I'm going to say nothing at all until I know I'm safe to do so.
I just wanted to put up a post that was unequivocally in support of the player so the family know that he and them have our support. And I know Soundas you and loads of others are right behind the boy.
That's all I'm going to say on it now.
Exactly LfE..........exactly.
Thanks mate............you know I am totally behind the lad.........One thing though....where are all these really nasty comments on this board re Jonjo........I've not seen them?
What I have seen is a lot of people who, because he has premiership potential, seem to expect him to play two levels above the other 21 players every single week.
That isn't going to happen. And when it doesn't happen, two basic reactions seem to occur.
The starstruck pretend that he was two levels above, even when he patently wasn't. Another group moans that 'Shelvey was below par today'.
IMO, neither view is very helpful in what are still the very early days of what we all hope will be a great career for the lad!
Only where Bob Dylan is concerned, Nadou... although I have to say you did pretty well to keep your sang-froid when you got to shake the great man's hand at the Roundhouse earlier this year !
I only get to see the highlights every week, but one thing that is relevant is that Jonjo seems to love playing football and playing for this team and this club. Looking at yesterday's highlights, he seemed genuinely excited when Wagstaff scored. Great kid.
Long may it continue.
Quality post Looky
That's the problem i find. you get so attached to your new star player and you just assume because he plays for us that hes happy. And then bang some money bags swipes him from under your nose and hes stuck on one of the prems finest subs benches. Hope he stays tho. i really do see him becoming a proper charlton legend.
A bit like life, really - you just have to enjoy it while you've got it.
''A bit like life, really - you just have to enjoy it while you've got it.''
Or Together Through Life, Nadou ? Still Bob's worst album in more than 20 years for me, I'm afraid!
But seriously, our mutual Dylan obssession apart, I do agree with you about Shelvey. He's the best I've seen since Parker, too. I just hope he doesn't end up playing alongside Scotty at WHU any time soon, although that would no doubt make disgruntled uncle v happy...
Agree Looky.....but wil you kindly concur..........(for uncles sake at least and my sanity because I started the thread re him being lucky not to be sent off)
that no one and I mean no one, has ever been abusive or indeed non supportive of Jonjo on this message board..if they have, I've yet to see it.
But seriously, our mutual Dylan obssession apart, I do agree with you about Shelvey. He's the best I've seen since Parker, too. I just hope he doesn't end up playing alongside Scotty at WHU any time soon, although that would no doubt make disgruntled uncle v happy...[/quote]
Yes, a lot of people on this list seem to forget that he could still be off before the window closes. I just hope he'll still be with us by the middle of next week.
It would be good to think that charlton staff from all areas of the club could come on a site like this and I'm sure they do. It provides feedback and if it is done with reasonable respect then great, it gets people's views across.
I would imagine that for players it may be a bit like getting reviews of your performance. And as someone posted earlier this is not just about jonjo, youga has had a lot of stick on here, as have plenty of others. They also get plenty of praise too on here.
I just wanted to make sure that this site is seen as generally fair and supportive. There are some cracking debates and thoughtful comment about all sorts of things on this forum and it is a great place to visit.
That was how this thread was intended to come across.