[cite]Posted By: Carter[/cite]Also if I was Nicky Bailey I would have a mind on who I had playing behind me. Kelly Youga is not one to inspire confidence to bomb forward!
I see it differently. If Youga had a more effective left mid fielder in front of him he would be able to attack more with overlapping one-twos with that mid fielder (as he use to with Bouazza in front of him). Also, I think we would be stronger defensively.
[cite]Posted By: LenGlover[/cite]
[cite]Posted By: Paddy7[/cite]Orient did press us really well in the first half, and Bailey & Racon were quite subdued. Nice to see both grow into the game and by the end they were both a threat again. OK, Sam doesn't often beat three men and deliver the perfect cross, but how many wingers do, even in the Prem? (have a look at Nani's crossing). He helps defend from the front by pressing his full back, and his energy helps keep opposing left backs deep. Parky's already asked him for a few more goals, but I'm not sure how much more we can realistically expect from a winger we can afford and who clearly gives his all.
If Sam could score goals he wouldn't be playing for us!
Agree Len. I thought Sam had a fine game last night. I was sitting in the West Stand opposite the away stand and heard several comments about the damage his pace was causing for the Orient defence from the home fans.I think there is nothing that Youga or Sam can do that will satisfy a lot of Charlton fans. They both have their limitations and we all know what they are and it is frustrating. But if they did not have those limitations they would not be playing for us.
[cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]He scored a couple in pre-season friendlies. Does that count ... ?
Thought not!
;o)
That's 50 competitive games Oggy of course.
However, if he can get into positions where he can score in friendlies there really is no reason why he can't do the same in the English 3rd Division especially as we're playing 4-5-1 at the moment. In that formation he should have licence to leave his wing berth occasionally and use his pace to get in behind the opposition central defence. That all assumes that someone (a la Danny Murphy) can provide the appropriate ball.
I can see it now:
Semedo long ball up to Burton who lays it back to Shelvey who plays Sam in with a delighful defence splitting pass. Sam one on one with the keeper..........
[cite]Posted By: Red_in_SE8[/cite]I think there is nothing that Youga or Sam can do that will satisfy a lot of Charlton fans.
That sums it up for me. Add to the fact that people seem to be complaining Sam isn't getting to the byline and crossing, but it appears he genuinely isn't being asked to do that. Which would make sense given the system we're using. As I said earlier, with Burton and Shelvey up front getting crosses into the box isn't and shouldn't be any sort of priority.
Sam hasn't actually scored in his last 50 appearances for the Club. Do think he should be able to chip in with half a dozen or so in a season at this level.
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Yes, but maybe he's playing wide for a reason, with five in midfield (often against four) he can stetch their midfield out and create space for Bailey, Shelvey etc inside. If he plays inside too much there's the risk that our midfielders will get in each others way and nullify the extra man advantage.
[cite]Posted By: BlackForestReds[/cite]Sam hasn't actually scored in his last 50 appearances for the Club. Do think he should be able to chip in with half a dozen or so in a season at this level.
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Yes, but maybe he's playing wide for a reason, with five in midfield (often against four) he can stetch their midfield out and create space for Bailey, Shelvey etc inside. If he plays inside too much there's the risk that our midfielders will get in each others way and nullify the extra man advantage.
Can't disagree with any of that but if that's what the opposition expect him to do (and there will be scouts even at this level studying our set up) then it would be even more suprising to see him pop up through the middle occasionally.
It does seem that he and Richardson link up well and if that partnership matures then I'd like to see him running a bit more at defenders, a bit like how John Humphrey and Robert Lee worked. Humphrey's positional astuteness wouldn't allow him to get caught out and that allowed Lee to attack and run at defenders, in turn Lee knew that he wasn't going to be leaving the right flank wide open if he lost possession.
"I think there is nothing that Youga or Sam can do that will satisfy a lot of Charlton fans. They both have their limitations and we all know what they are and it is frustrating. But if they did not have those limitations they would not be playing for us."
Spot on. Same could be said for one or two others. Let's just get behind them and see how far they can get.
[cite]Posted By: Paddy7[/cite]"I think there is nothing that Youga or Sam can do that will satisfy a lot of Charlton fans. They both have their limitations and we all know what they are and it is frustrating. But if they did not have those limitations they would not be playing for us."
Spot on. Same could be said for one or two others. Let's just get behind them and see how far they can get.
And a good point by Goonerhater in the ratings thread, teams are aware of Sam being a threat, and probably doubling up on him. It happened to Thomas when we came down from the Prem. Makes him go from looking useful in the Prem to an average Championship player.
More likely they have realised that we don't attack down the left because Bailey is right-footed and will always look to run inside his defender and that we look to give the ball to Sam at every available opportunity. If they double up on them they cut our attacking options a bit more. If we could get Bailey to occasionally try and attack on the left and try and go outside his defender then it might just relieve the numbers on Sam. Besides that Sam's strength is his speed, with quick players you need to close them down before they get a few yards space.
I do remember Bailey trying to go on the outside against Wycombe, but his crossing was pretty poor. Although he didn't even get the crosses right with his right foot in that game.
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Thought not!
;o)
I see it differently. If Youga had a more effective left mid fielder in front of him he would be able to attack more with overlapping one-twos with that mid fielder (as he use to with Bouazza in front of him). Also, I think we would be stronger defensively.
Agree Len. I thought Sam had a fine game last night. I was sitting in the West Stand opposite the away stand and heard several comments about the damage his pace was causing for the Orient defence from the home fans.I think there is nothing that Youga or Sam can do that will satisfy a lot of Charlton fans. They both have their limitations and we all know what they are and it is frustrating. But if they did not have those limitations they would not be playing for us.
That's 50 competitive games Oggy of course.
However, if he can get into positions where he can score in friendlies there really is no reason why he can't do the same in the English 3rd Division especially as we're playing 4-5-1 at the moment. In that formation he should have licence to leave his wing berth occasionally and use his pace to get in behind the opposition central defence. That all assumes that someone (a la Danny Murphy) can provide the appropriate ball.
I can see it now:
Semedo long ball up to Burton who lays it back to Shelvey who plays Sam in with a delighful defence splitting pass. Sam one on one with the keeper..........
That sums it up for me. Add to the fact that people seem to be complaining Sam isn't getting to the byline and crossing, but it appears he genuinely isn't being asked to do that. Which would make sense given the system we're using. As I said earlier, with Burton and Shelvey up front getting crosses into the box isn't and shouldn't be any sort of priority.
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Yes, but maybe he's playing wide for a reason, with five in midfield (often against four) he can stetch their midfield out and create space for Bailey, Shelvey etc inside. If he plays inside too much there's the risk that our midfielders will get in each others way and nullify the extra man advantage.
Can't disagree with any of that but if that's what the opposition expect him to do (and there will be scouts even at this level studying our set up) then it would be even more suprising to see him pop up through the middle occasionally.
Spot on. Same could be said for one or two others. Let's just get behind them and see how far they can get.
And a good point by Goonerhater in the ratings thread, teams are aware of Sam being a threat, and probably doubling up on him. It happened to Thomas when we came down from the Prem. Makes him go from looking useful in the Prem to an average Championship player.