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Parky

He's in a no lose situation,backed against the wall nobody really wants him at the club,least of all the fans.Remember the away cup game at Barnet when we were singing Gritty's red & white army league cup that is after curbs put in soul control.This could be the making of him.
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  • edited July 2009
    Think everyone should try to forget about last season, he's gonna be here so may as well all get behind him. Least he aint a tosser character like Pardew
    oh and yh i agree could turn out well for him
  • He's got balls to still be doing the job so I hope you are right
  • I just want to win, am sick of misery. Couldn't careless what his personality is like. Just win sopme bloody games of football so I can buy a Sunday paper for once!
  • Some crud has gone, some quality in Zheng and Holland (albeit latter's legs were starting to get heavy) have gone and he now has a bunch of players that seem to want in, are playing for him and us. Our record in the last dozen games showed that he was steadying a wreck of a ship that Pardew left behind him and I am starting to sense a resurgence, BUT whoever is in control next season needs to realise that we need to strengthen in certain areas regardless of us being a division lower. If Parky is allowed to do that, let's see him and the team go on a roll! If Jonjo, Bailey and Fortune were to go, he would have a nigh on impossible task.
  • [cite]Posted By: falconwood_1[/cite]I just want to win, am sick of misery. Couldn't careless what his personality is like. Just win sopme bloody games of football so I can buy a Sunday paper for once!

    fair enough, think everyone wants to win. my point was just to get behind him now for a new season, personally find it easier to do that if i don't dislike someone
  • I believe it takes time for a manager to mould a team and a club, how long did it take Curbs. Parkinson given time will get us moving again, performaces were improving and we were looking like a more solid unit. I agree with most of the previous comments, Parkinson is showing character, he does have potential and if we give him a decent chance then who knows. Its time to get behind him and the team and see how the next period in our always topsy,tervy but fun existance pans out.
  • hmmmn Philip Parkinson, let me examine the evidence regarding his work so far at Charlton Athletic....it's clear to see we have misunderstood him, last time round was only indifferent, and we were able to compensate the redundant staff by dedicating the win at Southampton to them, and relegation is the new promotion, and loanees are the new youth team products, and being a nice sweet pink and fluffy bloke is the new hairdryer.
    Philip Parkinson as Charlton manager will win at least one game next season FACT.
  • Agree with most of what has been said, apart from Seth's somewhat sarcastic post. I still think you could have put the love child of Brian Clough and Alex Ferguson in charge of us last season and we'd still have been relegated. Something was seriously rotten within our club and I don't think there was ever going to be a quick fix.

    Maybe a completely new managerial regime would have seen a mini re-surgence but I think, looking back, there was just too much to sort out and not enough resources available to do it with and any new manager effect would have quickly faded and we'd have fallen away again. Had sufficient money been available to buy the 5 or 6 players we needed to turn ourselves into a side capable of producing top 6 form for the second half of the season then it mght have been different, but it wasn't and neither was there enough talent in the squad already. That was Pardew's fault, not Parkinson's.

    I genuinely hope it works out with Parkinson because I admire the way he's keeping his head down and getting on with a difficult job. I don't think he's really ever complained about the steaming pile he's inherited or the terrible state the club has ended up in financially.

    Okay, this could be his last chance so he may have little choice but to tough this out, but he's at least showing a little humility and dignity and I like that fact there seems to be a slightly more disciplinarian air about the place.

    Regardless of all that though, as Steve says, we're more than likely stuck with him next season so we might as well give him the best support we can muster - to do differently would be case of cutting off our nose to spite our face imo.
  • [cite]Posted By: Swisdom[/cite]He's got balls to still be doing the job so I hope you are right

    He has a contract, guaranteed money, his career is damaged goods and there are no other offers.

    Parky is a good soldier, but he has no other options. That doesn't mean he deserves a medal.
  • [cite]Posted By: Exiled_Addick[/cite]Agree with most of what has been said, apart from Seth's somewhat sarcastic post. I still think you could have put the love child of Brian Clough and Alex Ferguson in charge of us last season and we'd still have been relegated. Something was seriously rotten within our club and I don't think there was ever going to be a quick fix.

    Maybe a completely new managerial regime would have seen a mini re-surgence but I think, looking back, there was just too much to sort out and not enough resources available to do it with and any new manager effect would have quickly faded and we'd have fallen away again. Had sufficient money been available to buy the 5 or 6 players we needed to turn ourselves into a side capable of producing top 6 form for the second half of the season then it mght have been different, but it wasn't and neither was there enough talent in the squad already. That was Pardew's fault, not Parkinson's.

    I genuinely hope it works out with Parkinson because I admire the way he's keeping his head down and getting on with a difficult job. I don't think he's really ever complained about the steaming pile he's inherited or the terrible state the club has ended up in financially.

    Okay, this could be his last chance so he may have little choice but to tough this out, but he's at least showing a little humility and dignity and I like that fact there seems to be a slightly more disciplinarian air about the place.

    Regardless of all that though, as Steve says, we're more than likely stuck with him next season so we might as well give him the best support we can muster - to do differently would be case of cutting off our nose to spite our face imo.

    Says it all for me.
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  • Sorry not convinced that Parkinson is the right man for the job, but we seem to be stuck with him!.

    Nothing personnal, and he has a difficult job, but what job in football is easy!. However the issue of Parky seems somewhat a side issue at present as the club is in turmoil over the bigger issue of the takeover or not!. I agree how any one can manage effectively in this position is almost impossible.

    But I still find his tactics unconvincing, and his man management strange at times, I guess we will soon find out!, but not for me given a choice, unfortunatly we seem not to have one!
  • [cite]Posted By: Exiled_Addick[/cite]Agree with most of what has been said, apart from Seth's somewhat sarcastic post. I still think you could have put the love child of Brian Clough and Alex Ferguson in charge of us last season and we'd still have been relegated. Something was seriously rotten within our club and I don't think there was ever going to be a quick fix.

    Maybe a completely new managerial regime would have seen a mini re-surgence but I think, looking back, there was just too much to sort out and not enough resources available to do it with and any new manager effect would have quickly faded and we'd have fallen away again. Had sufficient money been available to buy the 5 or 6 players we needed to turn ourselves into a side capable of producing top 6 form for the second half of the season then it mght have been different, but it wasn't and neither was there enough talent in the squad already. That was Pardew's fault, not Parkinson's.

    I genuinely hope it works out with Parkinson because I admire the way he's keeping his head down and getting on with a difficult job. I don't think he's really ever complained about the steaming pile he's inherited or the terrible state the club has ended up in financially.

    Okay, this could be his last chance so he may have little choice but to tough this out, but he's at least showing a little humility and dignity and I like that fact there seems to be a slightly more disciplinarian air about the place.

    Regardless of all that though, as Steve says, we're more than likely stuck with him next season so we might as well give him the best support we can muster - to do differently would be case of cutting off our nose to spite our face imo.
    Excellent post. Sums it up very, very well.
  • In the end I get the impressions he wants exactly what we want. He wants to win.

    He is not in it for himself like Pardew and he is not trying to revolutionise the way a football team is run like Dowie.

    Bottom line, he has pride (and it's hurting i'm sure) and wants to do well for Charlton. We can't ask for more than that.

    Whether he is good enough is another matter, but now, more than ever we need to be pulling together as supporters, players and football management team.

    The problems are in the Boardroom which at the current time we can have very little influence over it seems so lets get behind everyone on the pitch while this season's slate is well and truly clean.
  • [cite]Posted By: Talal[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: falconwood_1[/cite]I just want to win, am sick of misery. Couldn't careless what his personality is like. Just win sopme bloody games of football so I can buy a Sunday paper for once!

    fair enough, think everyone wants to win. my point was just to get behind him now for a new season, personally find it easier to do that if i don't dislike someone

    I agree totally
  • will Pardoo whisk him off to Southampton ??
  • [cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]will Pardoo whisk him off to Southampton ??
    I reckon is Pardue asked Parky will say "F**k you, you c*nt"
  • It shouldn't be the making of him! He's the worst manager in our history. And I argue that if we'd hired Nigel Clough, Brendan Rodgers or Billy Davies we WOULDN'T have got relegated!!!!!!!!
  • edited July 2009
    [cite]Posted By: ken from bexley[/cite]But I still find his tactics unconvincing, and his man management strange at times, I guess we will soon find out!, but not for me given a choice, unfortunatly we seem not to have one!

    Well we are in League One, just like the players the manager isn't going to be perfect. Very unlikely he'll go now, might as well get behind him.

    People criticized Curbishley at times for poor/late substitutions, negative tactics, apparently not being able to handle big name players, being stubborn after falling out etc.
    [cite]Posted By: supaclive[/cite]It shouldn't be the making of him! He's the worst manager in our history. And I argue that if we'd hired Nigel Clough, Brendan Rodgers or Billy Davies we WOULDN'T have got relegated!!!!!!!!

    Watford took a big risk on Brendan Rogers. He might end up struggling at Reading, he's not completely proven himself yet.
  • HE KEPT WATFORD UP! Whilst Parkinson took us down AND SOME
  • IMO the only person who has come through this pre season with any credit is Parky

    my opinions on him have not changed and i doubt they will but he has done himself no harm
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  • [cite]Posted By: supaclive[/cite]HE KEPT WATFORD UP! Whilst Parkinson took us down AND SOME

    He might have been awful though and completely out of his depth. I wouldn't have expected the board to find someone like Rogers, take a risk and be confident in him doing well. That's all I'm saying about him. Had any of our fans even heard of Brendan Rogers before he went to Watford, and if they did, did they always know he'd be a good manager?

    At the time we should have got rid of Parkinson when we got rid of Pardew. Now I don't think we'll get anyone better than is guaranteed to take us up, and it's getting late in pre-season to do it.

    I think we were probably in a far worse position than we realised, confidence probably the worst in the whole division and an unbalanced squad.
  • edited July 2009
    Watford's board knew what they are doing.....
  • edited July 2009
    Yeah well our board don't have a knowledge of Chelsea reserve/youth team managers and coaches so I guess they're completely clueless...

    I can see why people say we should have appointed Clough or Davies, but I can understand why they wouldn't really consider someone like Rogers.

    Though Clough had to make a big step up several divsions, so he would have been seen as a gamble. Davies didn't want to come here when Curbs left so I can see why none of them were really seen as options.

    Watford's board knew of a promising coach and gambled. We gambled on Dowie and Reed and failed. We thought we took the best available in Pardew and failed. They had faith in him but surely part of it was down to luck that he could handle it and was up to it?

    It's easy saying 'oh we should have appointed Brendan Rogers manager before Watford did', but they're probably one the very few clubs that noticed him and were willing to take a risk. Hardly a huge mistake by our board not being completely aware of him and taking a gamble that has turned out to be a good one.
  • edited July 2009
    One other point, their manager now is Malky Mackay. I guess if that goes wrong it means the Watford board didn't know what they were doing. Norwich appointed a former player liked by the fans and went down.
  • yes lets give good old Parky more time--------------like the 2 years as Pardews number two he hide in the cupboard. Keeping his head down sems to be his game plan.


    If we dont get some new investors, we go into next season with a piss poor squad and a piss poor manager,because we dont have the cash to do anything but survive.
  • Thanks GH.

    Watford are in the Championship, WE are not!
  • and staying with parky isnt a gamble ?
  • It is a whopper GH i agree thing is i feel for the bloke now more tahn ever handled himself superbly IMO through this difficult period,


    thats not saying i want him given a chance cos i really dont
  • He's handled himself very well at all times since being put in charge. Well spoken, well thought out - however, he couldn't win a raffle

    Get rid
  • I've never been able to make up my mind over him. There's been times coming back from certain away games at the back end of last season, when all i could think was 'he simply has to go', but he definitely changed something in that side, seemed to be a bit more fight show in some games.

    I'm willing to wipe the slate clean at the start of this season, it's clear he's going to be in charge. No other option.
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