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Strikers - is it a skill if so what

Now i must admit i know bugger all about playing football well the technical bits.......so with our strikers what do you really need what skill ? and why are our latest lot not hitting the mark is it cos they are poo or the service is...

i cant understand... we have had various sizes shapes styles is it because we see them in another team and they look mustard or what....because when they come to us they seem to well play how can i say it below par.....?

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  • edited July 2009
    [cite]Posted By: dartfordgent[/cite]Now i must admit i know bugger all about playing football well the technical bits.......so with our strikers what do you really need what skill ? and why are our latest lot not hitting the mark is it cos they are poo or the service is...

    i cant understand... we have had various sizes shapes styles is it because we see them in another team and they look mustard or what....because when they come to us they seem to well play how can i say it below par.....?

    Depends on the type of striker you are talking about.

    Some (Iwelumo, Gray for example) need service and are not really capable of creating anything for themselves. Hence they will look useless given the poor midfield we fielded mostly until the last few weeks of the season.

    Others (Lisbie, Dickson a bit) can make things happen themselves and contribute in other areas. They are not necessarily the most clinical finishers though so will also look bad for that reason!
  • so one lot are useless if they have poor service and another lot are not necessariliy the most clinical finishers so is it the fact the poor midfiels is the root cause ie better midfield more chances going for the strikers needing service and more chances for the not so good clinical finshers who may need like 5 attempts to get one on target...............so its not up front but the middle......
  • No striker will score you goals without service. Thats a fact.

    The ability to create/find space is a plus, as is finishing ability, pace and composure. Throw in a good header of the ball with good jumping ability and strength and anything else is a bonus.
  • edited July 2009
    [cite]Posted By: dartfordgent[/cite]so one lot are useless if they have poor service and another lot are not necessariliy the most clinical finishers so is it the fact the poor midfiels is the root cause ie better midfield more chances going for the strikers needing service and more chances for the not so good clinical finshers who may need like 5 attempts to get one on target...............so its not up front but the middle......

    Probably fair to say that with few exceptions a striker is only as good as the midfield supplying him.

    That is partly why I hope we can hang on to Shelvey, Bailey, Racon and Sam. ZZ was always an unrealistic hope.
  • edited July 2009
    Clive Mendonca is a great example of striking abilities - I am no expert tho.

    he had several striking abilities in my view

    great touch, close control and turn

    hold up ball retention and distribute

    finishing - i.e. being able to beat the goalkeeper by putting the ball where he couldn't reach it

    movement - ducking shoulder to get round a defender

    there are more I bet others could add


    one could argue he was lacking elsewhere

    e.g. aerial presence, heading ability on goal, pace on the ball, strength, shooting from distance


    A striker that possesses all of those would be the most complete, I think Alan Shearer is probably the nearest to that, that I have seen play
  • Venables comments on Shearer appear to agree with you Razil.

    Shearer tops Venables' list for the simple reason that he has a wider range of attributes than any of the other candidates among the crop of English forwards said to be the most abundant and talented for many a long year. Shearer is brave and strong, he is good in the air, he holds the ball up well, he combines intelligently with other players, he has a turn of speed and, most of the time, he displays a killer instinct in front of goal.
  • I am sure there are other qualities I missed, and possibly Clive could score a few in the air?
  • You dont need to be big you dont need to be fast you just need a brain and know when to make the right run.Tou dont have to be able to do loads of little tricks. The truth is all the best strikers dont Alan Shearer, Ian Rush, Mark Hughes and the one i think best of the lot in fact the best striker ever ( waiting for the onslaught) Robbie Fowler. All of these had the ability to be in the right place at the right time, if you do that you stand a chance of scoring and making a bad pass become good. You have to know when to gamble All of these players knew how to do that and it wouldn't do our forwards to watch some videos of how they actually done it. Good strikers score goals off the shin the shoulder the bum just about anywhere and they do that by knowing when to run
  • uncle yes rather have a good poacher than a spectacular...
  • Andy Cole scored bundles of goals cos he was in the right place at the right time and his service was top class(esp. at man utd)....in fact i think he could have scored alot more with the amount of chances he had.
    We have neither a player who gambles, has the confidence or desire and gets the service required, to be a good striker.
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  • so a "reading the game well/movement off the ball/right place right time" category? still think being able to put it past the keeper is one of the most important. you can be in the right place but have 3 defenders around you and or hoof it over..
  • If you have 3 defenders round you then clearly you are not in the right place
  • uncle, your comments about Fowler are spot on in my view. Watching Fowler on the telly so much, getting one idea about him then, but then when we got into the prem seeing Fowler in the flesh, playing away at little old Charlton, my idea that he was a bit of a flash git melted away. His workrate and desire were astonishing, his unselfishness also suprised me, he really played like he cared...great player, if I were a defender Fowler would have been someone I would have absolutely hated playing against.
  • edited July 2009
    [cite]Posted By: uncle[/cite]If you have 3 defenders round you then clearly you are not in the right place

    indeed.. but you could still hoof it straight at the keeper or over the bar, or miss it entirely - by your definition alone is Dickson (e.g. last nights miss) akin to fowler as he was in a great position?

    :)
  • And yes you may well hoof it over but if yiou keep making the runs, getting the space you will get the goals. As valleygary said andy cole got loads but could have got more. He got thos egoals because he kept making the runs. The midfielders put the balls in because they know he will be running in there. Our midfield get the ball and dont have a clue where our forwards will run. They know where they should run and if they put the ball there and the forward dont make the run it looks a shite pass but really its a good pass made to look bad by a lack of knowledge of movement. I really think a few hours a week watching videos of people who did know how where and when to run wouldn't do them any harm at all
  • [quote][cite]Posted By: seth plum[/cite]uncle, your comments about Fowler are spot on in my view. Watching Fowler on the telly so much, getting one idea about him then, but then when we got into the prem seeing Fowler in the flesh, playing away at little old Charlton, my idea that he was a bit of a flash git melted away. His workrate and desire were astonishing, his unselfishness also suprised me, he really played like he cared...great player, if I were a defender Fowler would have been someone I would have absolutely hated playing against.[/quote]

    I agree with everything thing you've said about Fowler but Shearer before his injury was awesome. When he came back from injury he was able to change his style of play accordingly, ask Fortch;)
  • [cite]Posted By: uncle[/cite]If you have 3 defenders round you then clearly you are not in the right place
    ...and your team-mates should pass to someone else!
  • Ask Tony Adams about trying to mark Fowler he destroyed the man everytime and the rest of the Arsenal defence. Including seamen. All I'm saying is you will get your quota of goals if you keep making the runs. All the best forwards have had lean spells when the press get onto them about being finished. But they all know if they keep doing what they know they will score goals . I know this cos i'm one of the worse footballers in the world ability wise but i've never had a season where i haven't scored at least 20 goals. And yes some of those were in a very good standard. I was rubbish but worked hard and made the runs. I may have missed 100 chances but i still got 20. If you dont buy a ticket you cant win the raffle !!!
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