That's right mate. I've never said such things before have I? I have been totaly 100% on my stance on the Dowie/Reed era. Where were you then? Still at school probably.....
That's right mate. I've never said such things before have I? I have been totaly 100% on my stance on the Dowie/Reed era. Where were you then? Still at school probably.....
In the North stand Calling for the idiot's head if you must know . ( Dowie , not Ried)
We'd still be Prem if the board hadn't thought that they knew about football and not just business. The treatment of Dowie was pathetic.
Not sure about still being in the prem but for murray to turn down curbs offer of helping him find a new manager and then go on to force the coaching staff on dowie , you gotta question his ego there
Dowie should never have been appointed and has proven time and again subsequently that he is an utterly appalling manager and that he is incapable of maintaining a working relationship with his chairman:
Palace - awful relationship with Jordan Charlton - all sorts of funny stories, his brother in the changing room at half time against Fulham, stopping the team coach en route to an away game so he could visit his family, taking the team on a mystery tour of Newcastle, going missing from training, not to mention squandering £4m on Traore and Faye, players that Curbs would have rejected on a free transfer. Left us in the relegation zone having squandered in the space of a couple of months the money that had been accumalated by Curbs' frugalness over 15 years. Coventry - "released from contract", officially cited as being due to significant differences of opinion between the management team and the Board as to how the club should be going forward. QPR - as above. Newcastle - relegated. Hull - relegated.
We might well have picked up a few more points in the short term with him in charge instead of Reed - looking at the bigger picture though, he's clearly incapable of behaving in a professional manner and has been bad for every club he's been at since he left Palace. That's why he can't get a job now. Absolutely despise the bloke, makes Pardew look almost likeable in comparison.
"players that Curbs would have rejected on a free transfer"
Statements like this always amuse me. I assume you are good mates with Curbs and therefore know his opinion on most players? It also sounds like you know a lot about Dowie from several meetings with him, as I assume you aren't just repeating rumours that you've heard...
"players that Curbs would have rejected on a free transfer"
Statements like this always amuse me. I assume you are good mates with Curbs and therefore know his opinion on most players? It also sounds like you know a lot about Dowie from several meetings with him, as I assume you aren't just repeating rumours that you've heard...
I watched Charlton all throughout Curbishley's 15 year tenure, I frequently read his interviews where he spoke about the work that went into identifying new players, looking not only at their playing prowess but also whether they had the right character for the club. Richard Murray also regularly pointed out that Curbs spent the club's money "as if it was own". You might disagree, but personally I don't think that splashing vast amounts of cash on lazy mercenaries really fits in with what we did when Curbishley was in charge.
As for Dowie, his total failure at Newcastle and Hull isn't a rumour, they both got relegated. As for the rest, some if it was rumours (many of which have subsequently been substantiated by people inside the club), some of it was published in national papers, some of it (such as Coventry) is official club statements. Ever heard that saying "where there's smoke there's fire"?
is it just me that finds derogatory comments about Les Reed disrespectful? He was Curbs right hand man for a good period in our history and was a very nice guy to boot. Ok he wasn't up to being the main man but I blame Muzza for that not Reed in wanting to give it a go.
is it just me that finds derogatory comments about Les Reed disrespectful? He was Curbs right hand man for a good period in our history and was a very nice guy to boot. Ok he wasn't up to being the main man but I blame Muzza for that not Reed in wanting to give it a go.
not just you mate, Reed is well respected in football and a nice guy to boot.
what is going to happen if CP cocks things up for us.....................
is it just me that finds derogatory comments about Les Reed disrespectful? He was Curbs right hand man for a good period in our history and was a very nice guy to boot. Ok he wasn't up to being the main man but I blame Muzza for that not Reed in wanting to give it a go.
I'm with you 100% on that Large. He was a highly respected coach, and many coaches do go on to become successful managers. There was no reason to think at the time that results would have gone so badly as they did. He gave it his best shot and when it didn't work out moved on to make room for another.
is it just me that finds derogatory comments about Les Reed disrespectful? He was Curbs right hand man for a good period in our history and was a very nice guy to boot. Ok he wasn't up to being the main man but I blame Muzza for that not Reed in wanting to give it a go.
The what if comments would be amusing if it hadn't ended up so tragic.
And for the comments about Curbishley having a wonderful, frugal transfer policy he still spent over a million on Marcus Bent, Francis Jeffers and Dennis Rommedahl. Also look what he did when he was giving free reign over transfer policy at West Ham.
Charlton would have beaten Wycombe if we weren't full of big-time charlies and had hungry players a la the 90's mob. We can blame this manager and that manager but it started to go down hill when we started bringing in bench players from bigger clubs. Let's not forget that Traore started for Liverpool in the 2005 champions league final, Jeffers played and scored for England and Murphy had won multiple honours at Liverpool.
is it just me that finds derogatory comments about Les Reed disrespectful? He was Curbs right hand man for a good period in our history and was a very nice guy to boot. Ok he wasn't up to being the main man but I blame Muzza for that not Reed in wanting to give it a go.
I'm with you.
Me as well, not cut out for management but made a great number 2, and I am told he is a very nice guy.
nice, a thread bemoaning about a team that just didn't want to play under reed where they had totally given it up, wants us to actually not have a dig at the man at the wheel and can even be turned into a pop at curbs even though he managed to save west ham and we went down instead. just brilliant.
Why can't people just see that Reed was obviously just a caretaker manager helping out until pardew was sacked at West ham? They didn't say caretaker in order to give him more authority but the clue is in when Peter Varney said he is a friend of the club, which to my mind means he scarificed himself and his reputation in order to help the club (for no more money)
That match was truly horrible. I have never before, or since, seen a player wait so long for someone to throw the ball to. It was a throw in by the West Stand and every Charlton player ran away and looked as though they were trying to hide!!! Anyone else remember that moment?
Back to the night itself, it was the time I never wanted to see Jerome Thomas in a charlton shirt again and definetly wanted to see Scott Carson stay with us. Carson was the only player that seemed to try and JT was one of the many who could not give a .... and did it with a big grin on his face
sad for Les reed who was the architect of the play off winning team. Wrong place at the wrong time.
Why can't people just see that Reed was obviously just a caretaker manager helping out until pardew was sacked at West ham? They didn't say caretaker in order to give him more authority but the clue is in when Peter Varney said he is a friend of the club, which to my mind means he scarificed himself and his reputation in order to help the club (for no more money)
If he was a caretaker why did the club, approach and get the subesquent release of Mark Kinsella from Walsall to be the development coach, to allow Mark Robson to go up 1 position?
The Board believed in the structure they had created and must have thought it was Dowie and not the structure that was at fault. They soon scrapped it once this gamne happened
It was certainly announced at the time of his appointment that he'd been given a long term contract, although they seemed at great pains to point out that he was a permanent manager rather than a caretaker. Never heard any talk of paying off his contract so I'm guessing it had a get out clause of some sort for the club.
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In the North stand Calling for the idiot's head if you must know . ( Dowie , not Ried)
As for worse performance from a team, that was it but i think losing 5-2 or whatever it was to Sheff Utd was a worse performance, tough call though.
It's good to look back on it now we're back on the up.
Palace - awful relationship with Jordan
Charlton - all sorts of funny stories, his brother in the changing room at half time against Fulham, stopping the team coach en route to an away game so he could visit his family, taking the team on a mystery tour of Newcastle, going missing from training, not to mention squandering £4m on Traore and Faye, players that Curbs would have rejected on a free transfer. Left us in the relegation zone having squandered in the space of a couple of months the money that had been accumalated by Curbs' frugalness over 15 years.
Coventry - "released from contract", officially cited as being due to significant differences of opinion between the management team and the Board as to how the club should be going forward.
QPR - as above.
Newcastle - relegated.
Hull - relegated.
We might well have picked up a few more points in the short term with him in charge instead of Reed - looking at the bigger picture though, he's clearly incapable of behaving in a professional manner and has been bad for every club he's been at since he left Palace. That's why he can't get a job now. Absolutely despise the bloke, makes Pardew look almost likeable in comparison.
Most overrated defender ever.
"players that Curbs would have rejected on a free transfer"
Statements like this always amuse me. I assume you are good mates with Curbs and therefore know his opinion on most players? It also sounds like you know a lot about Dowie from several meetings with him, as I assume you aren't just repeating rumours that you've heard...
I watched Charlton all throughout Curbishley's 15 year tenure, I frequently read his interviews where he spoke about the work that went into identifying new players, looking not only at their playing prowess but also whether they had the right character for the club. Richard Murray also regularly pointed out that Curbs spent the club's money "as if it was own". You might disagree, but personally I don't think that splashing vast amounts of cash on lazy mercenaries really fits in with what we did when Curbishley was in charge.As for Dowie, his total failure at Newcastle and Hull isn't a rumour, they both got relegated. As for the rest, some if it was rumours (many of which have subsequently been substantiated by people inside the club), some of it was published in national papers, some of it (such as Coventry) is official club statements. Ever heard that saying "where there's smoke there's fire"?
not just you mate, Reed is well respected in football and a nice guy to boot.
what is going to happen if CP cocks things up for us.....................
I'm with you.
And for the comments about Curbishley having a wonderful, frugal transfer policy he still spent over a million on Marcus Bent, Francis Jeffers and Dennis Rommedahl.
Also look what he did when he was giving free reign over transfer policy at West Ham.
Charlton would have beaten Wycombe if we weren't full of big-time charlies and had hungry players a la the 90's mob. We can blame this manager and that manager but it started to go down hill when we started bringing in bench players from bigger clubs. Let's not forget that Traore started for Liverpool in the 2005 champions league final, Jeffers played and scored for England and Murphy had won multiple honours at Liverpool.
Concur that Reed was/is a lovely man and there was 'every' reason to believe he could do a good or at least reasonable job for us.
I am personally surprised at how poorly he did as I'm sure is he and many others.
Don't like to see the man slagged off and dismissed on here by one or two posters.
As for Curbs, the signings at West Ham speak for themselves, Nigel Quashie?.
I'm a nice bloke. I regularly give blood, I help old people with their shopping and I look after my mum.
However none of the above in any way qualifies me to manage a football team at premeirship level.
Back to the night itself, it was the time I never wanted to see Jerome Thomas in a charlton shirt again and definetly wanted to see Scott Carson stay with us. Carson was the only player that seemed to try and JT was one of the many who could not give a .... and did it with a big grin on his face
sad for Les reed who was the architect of the play off winning team. Wrong place at the wrong time.
If he was a caretaker why did the club, approach and get the subesquent release of Mark Kinsella from Walsall to be the development coach, to allow Mark Robson to go up 1 position?
The Board believed in the structure they had created and must have thought it was Dowie and not the structure that was at fault. They soon scrapped it once this gamne happened
It was certainly announced at the time of his appointment that he'd been given a long term contract, although they seemed at great pains to point out that he was a permanent manager rather than a caretaker. Never heard any talk of paying off his contract so I'm guessing it had a get out clause of some sort for the club.