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Patrick Collins - MoS

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edited June 2009 in General Charlton
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/sport/article-1194435/Ignore-vile-abuse-Kelly-Holmes-true-Brit.html

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Exeter (h)? That doesn't excite like the Gunners

British sport has few reasons to remember the summer of 2006. There was a World Cup in Germany, at which England's WAGs made more impact than England's footballers.

There was a Test series with Pakistan, which ended in anarchy. There was the unwelcome return of Dwain Chambers.

And that's about it.

But, for the followers of Charlton Athletic, there was one shining consolation.

It was that moment in June when the Premier League fixtures were published - West Ham away, followed by Manchester United at home. Then Bolton (h) and Chelsea (a).

And that was August. Happy days.


I remembered them last week when they brought out the fixtures for the Third Division.

Its marketing title is 'The Coca Cola Football League Division One', but we know it as Division Three.

Anyway, our August programme consists of Wycombe Wanderers (h), Hartlepool (a), Leyton Orient (a), Walsall (h) and Tranmere (a).

Be still, my pounding heart.

I have no wish to demean these excellent football clubs. They have earned their places in Division Three.

The trouble is, so have we. And we never saw it coming.

Years of solid achievement under the brilliant management of Alan Curbishley bred impertinent expectations.

Why did we always finish halfway up the Premier League? Why had we never made it to Europe? Was Curbishley the man to take us to another level?

Charlton's directors seemed affected by the mood. Having spent a decade or more acting as the model for middle-sized football clubs, they spent the next two years behaving like all the rest.

Curbishley was foolishly allowed to leave in March '06 and the rot set in.

Iain Dowie was appointed and hung around for six months, spending oceans of money on inept footballers. He was replaced by Les Reed, who stayed for six weeks.

Enter Alan Pardew, who struck a few poses, made a few promises and produced two years of relentless mediocrity.

By the time he left, Charlton were deep in Division Two and falling fast.

Phil Parkinson was asked to keep the club afloat. He failed.

They really had taken us to another level.

Now, I must apologise for this eruption of private grief, but the wounds are still raw.

We, who once hovered on the fringe of Europe, are now routinely described as 'lowly', 'unsung' or, worst of all, 'plucky'. And we hate it. And it all happened because a fine manager was carelessly undervalued and a capable board took its eye off the ball.

It happened to my club, it could easily happen to yours.

We do not seek miracles. We don't want a sheik or an oligarch turning up to hurl untold millions at our problems. We simply want people to run the place as it used to be run.

So we contemplate the fixtures and the memories crowd in. Take September. Charlton's last match of the month is at home to Exeter.

Three years ago it was the Arsenal. Funny old game.

Comments

  • Who is this Oli Garch bloke when he`s at home ?

    Seriously though. Patrick Collins, Well respected and connected journalist and he hasn`t got an inside track on any takeover !
  • well written and an article you cannot fail to agree with or indeed if from the outside looking in sympathise with...
  • i'd rather have us flapping round at the third level than have us punching ridiculously above our weight.
  • A very fair summary from a genuine Charlton man.

    Hard to disagree with anything he has written.
  • Says it like it is (and was)!
  • We do not seek miracles. We don't want a sheik or an oligarch turning up to hurl untold millions at our problems. We simply want people to run the place as it used to be run

    I agree with this 100%.
  • [quote][cite]Posted By: Nug[/cite][quote]We do not seek miracles. We don't want a sheik or an oligarch turning up to hurl untold millions at our problems. We simply want people to run the place as it used to be run[/quote]

    I agree with this 100%.[/quote]

    I agree too,but could we have just a few million thrown at us too?
  • edited June 2009
    Alternatively, it's another rehashing of the "It was all the fans fault" argument yet again. What was 'impertinent' about wanting us to get further than round 4 of the Cup once in a while or play something other than 4-5-1 at home against the likes of Wigan, Portsmouth, West Brom or any number of newly promoted teams that we were more than capable of competing with, or picking up more than handful of points every year after Christmas? Nothing in my book, yet we're expected to wear a flipping hair shirt evermore for daring to suggest that struggling to beat the likes of Dagenham & Redbridge should be the limit of expectation.

    Let's remind ourselves again - there were no "Curbs Out" type protests and the vast majority of us would have been happy to see him stay, his choice to go of course, BUT the rot had already started to set in and the squad needed an overhaul to say the least. Yes the board got it wrong with his replacement (majorly!) but I don't think that was because they 'expected' us to be challenging for Europe but because they had the tough task of replacing a very successful manager and came up short.
  • [cite]Posted By: Bournemouth Addick[/cite]Let's remind ourselves again - there were no "Curbs Out" type protests and the vast majority of us would have been happy to see him stay, his choice to go of course, BUT the rot had already started to set in and the squad needed an overhaul to say the least. Yes the board got it wrong (with his replacement majorly!) but I don't think that was because they 'expected' us to be challenging for Europe but because they had the tough task of replacing a very successful manager and came up short.

    Agree with that. Was always going to be very hard to replace Curbs and the board got it wrong. Then Dowie the replacement got his signings wrong and probably let some players go that should have stayed. Then the big mistakes were appointing Reed and Pardew's signings in the summer after relegation (and since then obviously).

    Really comes down to the board struggling to appoint the right manager and bad signings. So many of the other problems are down to those two things.
  • edited June 2009
    I believe that we were a more than capable mid table Premier League side, I can see more than a few there right now who our side of 2005 would have comfortably beaten. I was one of the fans who dared to hope for just a little bit more but never clamoured for Curbs departure, had he been given the money Dowie pissed away then Europe could have been achieved- I think. I am certainly not in awe of at least 40% of the current Premier League and given the correct stewardship Charlton wouldn't be either. What has happened over the last few years is nothing short of tear enducingly sad but I live in hope that we can turn it around, the 3rd Division fixture list is a real sobering vision of the sheer scale of our fall, now is the time to begin the fight back.
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  • Here we go again, it all went wrong when Curbs left.......

    As a person who believes that Curbs was Charlton's greatest asset at the time, that time had come/ or was coming to a natural conclusion/end.

    One of the mistakes was that was not an 'understudy' or a natural successor. Chris Powell or mark Kinsella would have been my candidate, but both lacked any real experience for such a major management job. I think that Curbs was exhausted and needed a fresh challenge, and the team needed a fresh look at, restructure. After saying that christ we have sunk like a stone. Despite all the warnings that many people posted, very few of us felt that we would fall so quickly, and so poorly. Let us be honest the football at Christmas time and after was dreadful, albeit the Palace game.We cannot blame a cup run, or paticularly bad injuries ( as Curbs had at West Ham) I wanted a change as I thought that Pardew was NOT the man, what I did not want was not to have a manager, or for Parkinson by default. We needed a strong manager, with his own vision and views. We never got that , we lost and we never even gambled. The Zabeel deal or non deal seemed to knock the stuffing out of the club, and it's director's. There seemed to be a systamatic failure to accept the possibility of relegation.

    The fact is we performed poorly, invested in players who did not perform, and made mistakes that those in charge seemed unable to turnaround, or thought we could do but failed.

    A way back, I hope so, you have to have hope as a Charlton supporter, it comes with the shirt!
  • This is really with hindsight, but enviously I look at Fulham and wonder why no one thought of Roy Hodgson replacing Curbs. With hind sight and maybe that is all it is, he would have been a natural (albeit older) successor to Curbs.
  • [cite]Posted By: Kap10[/cite]This is really with hindsight, but enviously I look at Fulham and wonder why no one thought of Roy Hodgson replacing Curbs. With hind sight and maybe that is all it is, he would have been a natural (albeit older) successor to Curbs.

    Probably would have done a very similar job here as he has at Fulham.

    I think the board had the idea that they should get a promising young manager for the long term, someone that had done well in their career so far and would grow with the club. They limited themselves by wanting a young manager, and I'm pretty sure they wanted a British or at the very least a manager with experience of the English leagues. Really narrowed their choices down.

    Clubs like Fulham and Bolton have done very well to find a manager that has kept them safely in the Prem. Sooner or later other clubs will get it wrong when their managers go, but I think a lot of them will have seen our mistakes and learnt from them.
  • I also read te Aticle in today MOS and whilst I normally like and respect Patrick collins and have to agree with Bournemouth on this one, IT WAS NOT THE FANS THAT DROVE OUT CURBS.

    In his own autobioagraphy (and if you can't tell the ttruth in one of those then you have got problems) Curbs said that it was hios deciscion to leave the club and no-one else's. He had another year left on his contract and he did not want to extend it - Richsrd Murray wanted to tie him in to another 2 or 3 years so that incoming players new their was stability there ( ??) and so they decided to let Sir Alan go a year early with the fanfare he duely derserved.

    As Bournemouth says, some fans did not want Curbs out so we could reach another level, we just didn't want to go to places Like Wigan, 'Boro or Fulham and watch us play 4-5-1 and not have a shot on goal all match.
  • We get the message! as soon as curbs left we've gone into the pits!
  • Also Murray wanted to pull one over his arch nemesis by appointing Dowie...I agree a more experienced manager in the Hodgson mould would have been the wiser choice. We should be trying to get Sean O'Driscoll who would be brilliant for us and even though we are in a lower divison surely we are a bigger club than Doncaster
  • pretty much spot on one again from patrick collins. says it like it is and pulls no punches. i am sure he must make a few people uncomfortable with his astute analysis.
  • [cite]Posted By: golfaddick[/cite]
    As Bournemouth says, some fans did not want Curbs out so we could reach another level, we just didn't want to go to places Like Wigan, 'Boro or Fulham and watch us play 4-5-1 and not have a shot on goal all match.
    They got to go to places like Blackpool, Barnsley and Forest, and watch us play 4-5-1 and not have a shot on goal all match. I suspect next year they'll get to go to Wycombe, Brighton and Gillingham and watch us play 4-5-1 and not have a shot on goal.

    Not that I don't understand the sentiment, it's just funny how getting what you want can work out.
  • You invariably get what you ask for, life's like that.

    But it's not necessarily what you wanted.
  • I am hereby asking for a go on Megan Fox, then
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  • You can only beat whats in front of you, so lets all stop moping and start getting ramped up to get behind whatever team is on the pitch, and whatever management team is in the dugout, OUR CLUB, needs us more than ever next season.

    UP THE ADDICKS
  • edited June 2009
    When all is said and done- DA9 you are bang on!
  • [quote][cite]Posted By: ThreadKiller[/cite]pretty much spot on one again from patrick collins. says it like it is and pulls no punches. i am sure he must make a few people uncomfortable with his astute analysis.[/quote]

    Hahaha wonder who you've been on the phone to!
  • [cite]Posted By: golfaddick[/cite] Curbs said that it was his deciscion to leave the club and no-one else's. He had another year left on his contract and he did not want to extend it - Richsrd Murray wanted to tie him in to another 2 or 3 years so that incoming players new their was stability there ( ??) and so they decided to let Sir Alan go a year early

    and maybe with the sky tv money doubling/trebling/whatever we should have kept CURBS on for the last year of his contract to get us to the more solid financial stability we could have gotten from staying up for just one more year , this turned out to be a monster error by murray imo
    let's be honest how many footballers are really that bothered about the managers contract when they sign with todays inflated wages ...
    curbs has also said he offered to help in the grooming/finding of a successor to him at charlton but murray knew best ......

    curbs got us to the 1/4 finals of the FA Cup in his last year
  • Sent a e-mail to Mr Collins ref: His article.
    Got a lovely (& amusing) reply back today.
    The Man is a Ledge in my eyes.............


    If I knew how to "copy/paste/send/whatever" I would.
  • edited June 2009
    MoG wrote on the other page:
    Sent a e-mail to Mr Collins ref: His article.
    Got a lovely (& amusing) reply back today.


    MoG has just asked me to post his message to Patrick Collins - and his reply:

    [cite]Posted By: Miserableold-ish git[/cite]



    Good Evening Mr Collins.
    Just aquick "note" to say how much I enjoy your writing in The Mail. Being the "leftie" that I am, of course I don't buy that paper: I read my Fathers copy !
    A couple of quick points: Alan C left in May '06, not March, and, I don't know if you're aware of a Fans Site called "CharltonLife",but your article yesterday fired up afew of us 'Addicks.
    Like this note, I & many others who use this site, try not to take Life and all things CAFC "too" seriously, but your article yesterday seemed to hit a nerve with a few.
    Please, Keep up your superb standard of writing (Thought your Kellie Holmes feature yesterday was terrific), and lets hope for successful seasons for both Charlton & Kent CCC.
    Regards
    Paul
    (Sydenham).

    PS. Tredwells just got 2 Hants wickets in 2 balls !



    And Patrick Collins' reply to MoG



    Paul,

    Many thanks for your kind message. Sorry I got the Curbishley date wrong. Sorrier still that Charlton didn't try hard enough to hang on to him.

    I share your hopes for both Charlton and Kent.

    Incidentally, they still allow "lefties' to buy the MoS. They even allow one or two to write for it.

    With all good wishes,

    Patrick.
  • [cite]Posted By: McLovin[/cite]I am hereby asking for a go on Megan Fox, then

    You've got a better chance if you are a woman, apparently ... and The Mail and The Sun could cover it. ;-)
  • [cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]MoG wrote on the other page:
    Sent a e-mail to Mr Collins ref: His article.
    Got a lovely (& amusing) reply back today.


    MoG has just asked me to post his message to Patrick Collins - and his reply:

    [cite]Posted By: Miserableold-ish git[/cite]



    Good Evening Mr Collins.
    Just aquick "note" to say how much I enjoy your writing in The Mail. Being the "leftie" that I am, of course I don't buy that paper: I read my Fathers copy !
    A couple of quick points: Alan C left in May '06, not March, and, I don't know if you're aware of a Fans Site called "CharltonLife",but your article yesterday fired up afew of us 'Addicks.
    Like this note, I & many others who use this site, try not to take Life and all things CAFC "too" seriously, but your article yesterday seemed to hit a nerve with a few.
    Please, Keep up your superb standard of writing (Thought your Kellie Holmes feature yesterday was terrific), and lets hope for successful seasons for both Charlton & Kent CCC.
    Regards
    Paul
    (Sydenham).

    PS. Tredwells just got 2 Hants wickets in 2 balls !



    And Patrick Collins' reply to MoG



    Paul,

    Many thanks for your kind message. Sorry I got the Curbishley date wrong. Sorrier still that Charlton didn't try hard enough to hang on to him.

    I share your hopes for both Charlton and Kent.

    Incidentally, they still allow "lefties' to buy the MoS. They even allow one or two to write for it.

    With all good wishes,

    Patrick.

    Top man is Patrick...lives not too far away from The Valley....Blackheathish!
  • [cite]Posted By: American_Addick[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: McLovin[/cite]I am hereby asking for a go on Megan Fox, then

    You've got a better chance if you are a woman, apparently ... and The Mail and The Sun could cover it. ;-)

    *ponders this information*
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