The big two parties are now praying to the great expences God in the sky that we will not go to the poles on 4th June. The EU parliament make laws which affect us all, it can be argued that the EU elections are more important than our own elections.
The Torys say they want to empower us all ---------------laugh i almost threw up. The Labour rabble say agree and say they have already given us more power re devolution ------------ except the peoples of England are NOT included and of course that dear Mr Brown wanted us all to have a vote on the EU , well that was untill he became PM ----------------total hog wash.
If we can ignore traditional Labour/Tory voting we have the opertunity of giving them such a kicking that they will listen and will change this two party dictatorship----------or if we dont get out and vte they will wait till the anger goes away and carry on as before.
The MP for Reigate has said that if we (the voters) don't like the way he's been claiming expenses on his houses in Fulham and Reigate (one hour from Westminster) he will give up the Reigate abode and commute from Fulham as that's where his family like living and they come first! The sheer front of these people is incredible. What rhymes with Crispin Blunt? Ah, yes.
GOTHIM !!
Jim Dowd,our MP didn't claim for nothing wrong.
His "girlfriend" the Labour MP for Darwin,Blackburn, claims for 2nd home, travelling,trains,petrol,airfares........
She lives with him in Forest Hill.
[cite]Posted By: March51[/cite]The MP for Reigate has said that if we (the voters) don't like the way he's been claiming expenses on his houses in Fulham and Reigate (one hour from Westminster) he will give up the Reigate abode and commute from Fulham as that's where his family like living and they come first! The sheer front of these people is incredible. What rhymes with Crispin Blunt? Ah, yes.
[cite]Posted By: Goonerhater[/cite]The big two parties are now praying to the great expences God in the sky that we will not go to the poles on 4th June. The EU parliament make laws which affect us all, it can be argued that the EU elections are more important than our own elections.
They're really not. Labour people would rather the electorate turned out and voted for any party other than the BNP - including the Tories - and so would many Tories, in my experience.
As for the importance of the elections, the EU doesn't have much of a say in any of the things that actually matter to people - such as the NHS, income tax rates, policing, education, transport, local government - and pretty much nobody understands what it does do. That's the reason the turnout last time was 38% and it will be most of the explanation why it's poor this time around as well.
[cite]Posted By: Goonerhater[/cite]The big two parties are now praying to the great expences God in the sky that we will not go to the poles on 4th June. The EU parliament make laws which affect us all, it can be argued that the EU elections are more important than our own elections.
They're really not. Labour people would rather the electorate turned out and voted for any party other than the BNP - including the Tories - and so would many Tories, in my experience.
As for the importance of the elections, the EU doesn't have much of a say in any of the things that actually matter to people - such as the NHS, income tax rates, policing, education, transport, local government - and pretty much nobody understands what it does do. That's the reason the turnout last time was 38% and it will be most of the explanation why it's poor this time around as well.
Maybe the Government should spend some money on education the people it's asking to vote in the elections, rather than cleaning motes and buying fancy pictures?
Sorry Airman it wont wash--------------- your a Labour activist--------- and you know that your party and the Tories want a very low turn out so they can AGAIN ignore the electorate and go back to the see saw big two BS that has gone on for donkeys years.
It was EU law that gave us the open borders-------------it was the Labour party that ignored and shouted "scare monger --- racist" to anyone who warned what would happen . You clearly (like your party) fail to under stand the impact that +3 million people hiting the countries schools,NHS, housing and jobs market or its impact on the low paid.
Brown is a liar and a toad--------- gave who devolution ? what about the people of England , who are paying for it ?--------how about the vote on Europe which he promised ? what about the 2.5 million "British jobs for British workers" ?
Hasel Blears said the Labour Party should be geting out on the streets and telling the "white British working class" what this Labour Party has done for them, rather than leting the Ultra Right grab this vote ---------------- why aint they then?
IMO it would do this country a major major service if there was a large turn out (indications are it will be much higher than last time) and the two main parties got an awful hammering.
large majority Labour/Tory Governments have acted like One Party States and ignored time and time again the voters who put them there.
800,000 people voted BNP in the 2004 election it could well be double that this time---why ? because the main partys (as you have) say "dont vote facist" ------but you MUST win the ground that these people hold -----------not treat these voters with contempt. The Labur Party once represented the working people of the UK, now i have no idea who or what they are ? They need to re-engage with their core voters.
I think this vote could be the most important for several decades.
[cite]Posted By: Darren[/cite]'Or the equally odious UKIP... '
UKIP are the moneyed up wing of the CBI.
If you want a minimum wage & reasonable working hours don't vote UKIP!
If you want the Government of these islands to actually govern........vote UKIP
If you want England divided into nine Euro-regions (not Brown's Scotland though)....... vote Labour.
If you want more of the same, but wearing a blue rosette............vote Conservative
If you want England to be treated equally within the (dis)united Kingdom............vote English Democrats
If you want to live in a cave, travel everywhere by Oxen and eat grass. Then freeze to death in winter..vote Green
If you want to take us back to the world of Hitler, which cost the lives of millions .......vote BNP
If none of the above appeal...................vote Lib-Dum
[cite]Posted By: Darren[/cite]'Or the equally odious UKIP... '
UKIP are the moneyed up wing of the CBI.
If you want a minimum wage & reasonable working hours don't vote UKIP!
If you want the Government of these islands to actually govern........vote UKIP
If you want England divided into nine Euro-regions (not Brown's Scotland though)....... vote Labour.
If you want more of the same, but wearing a blue rosette............vote Conservative
If you want England to be treated equally within the (dis)united Kingdom............vote English Democrats
If you want to live in a cave, travel everywhere by Oxen and eat grass. Then freeze to death in winter..vote Green
If you want to take us back to the world of Hitler, which cost the lives of millions .......vote BNP
If none of the above appeal...................vote Lib-Dum
With due allowance for poetic licence that is a reasonable summary although in my view "Lib - Dum" are as pro EU if not more so than Red Labour and Blue Labour.
"...As for the importance of the elections, the EU doesn't have much of a say in any of the things that actually matter to people - such as the NHS, income tax rates, policing, education, transport, local government - and pretty much nobody understands what it does do. That's the reason the turnout last time was 38% and it will be most of the explanation why it's poor this time around as well. "............
When Major closed all the mines the Stability Pact was one of the reasons cited. I know that technically the UK is not part of EMU but this Government still endeavours to comply with the terms of it which in simple terms means that the areas you highlight ARE affected by the EU even if indirectly.
[cite]Posted By: Darren[/cite]'Or the equally odious UKIP... '
UKIP are the moneyed up wing of the CBI.
If you want a minimum wage & reasonable working hours don't vote UKIP!
If one accepts your assertion for a moment, which is very debatable in my opinion, is it worse to have the scenario that you describe or no job at all because of EU regulation stifling business especially small businesses which employ the majority of people in the UK - despite the media usually focusing on multi national corporations such as GM Europe for example?
[cite]Posted By: Goonerhater[/cite]Sorry Airman it wont wash
your a Labour activist
and you know that your party and the Tories want a very low turn out so they can AGAIN ignore the electorate and go back to the see saw big two BS that has gone on for donkeys years.
I'm actually in favour of a plurality of parties, which will only result from a change in the electoral system, and I would agree that both major parties deserve a kicking for all sorts of reasons.
However, the fact remains that most mainstream political activists would want as big an anti-BNP turnout as possible, to limit their credibility and access to EU funding, even if those votes are for parties other than their own. A small turnout only benefits extremists because it makes their support look more significant than it is.
But can you not see Airman? The BNP win votes from people who are distraught at the damage inflicted on Britain. Because of an uncontrolled open-door immigration policy that has allowed millions into the country, a large proportion of which have no legal basis to be here. We allow in almost anyone who utters the words 'i seek asylum'
We have among us Islamic terrorists with families of 5, 6 ..10 all living on benefits while plotting against us.
We have millions of unskilled individuals coming in when we aleady have over 2million unemployed (that gets nearer to 5million when young people and those on sickness benefit are included)
If you lived on a filthy council estate had no opportunity of finding work. Then found immigrant families being housed in private lodgings with a dozen Government agencies chasing after their every whim. How would you feel?
Of course people will look to the BNP! Because Labour has failed.
Labour has failed in everything it was supposed to succeed in. Labour was to be the new version of politics. Whiter than white! sleazefree! Government of the people! Prudent with the economy!
It lied to us about 'weapons of mass destruction'! It's taken our military into two unwinnable wars, costing hundred of dead British soldiers and thousands of Iraqi and Afghan citizens.
It promised us a vote on the Lisbon treaty, then reneged on it, because it knew it would lose.
"tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime" What a joke that is! Burglars let off with a caution. Inadequate sentences automatically cut by half. Knife crime running wild and politicians fiddling their expenses
Those are some of the reasons why people will consider the BNP. Personally i hope the BNP doesn't receive the voters backing, but i won't be shocked if they do. If the Government and indeed official opposition of any political persuasion fails to listen to the will of the majority, this is what happens.
To finish on a more personal level.
Labour has given Devolved Government (in varying degrees) to Scotland, Wales and even N.Ireland. But it's only plan for England, is to carve it up into nine Euro-regions. If you want to protest vote at the Euro elections and are proud of England and want to see England given Democratic equality within Britain, dont vote BNP but please consider the English Democrats. Not Right not Left not Racist
Suggestyou look up who is standing for the EDP or check their constition, or in fact say that the SNP and Plaid Cymru are also racist.I dnt think they are at all but find it stunning that because you are prepared to stand up for England that yu can be accused of being racist. How about it being "racist" to give the Scots /welsh and people of NI their ownparliaments but not the peoples of England.
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The Torys say they want to empower us all ---------------laugh i almost threw up.
The Labour rabble say agree and say they have already given us more power re devolution ------------ except the peoples of England are NOT included and of course that dear Mr Brown wanted us all to have a vote on the EU , well that was untill he became PM ----------------total hog wash.
If we can ignore traditional Labour/Tory voting we have the opertunity of giving them such a kicking that they will listen and will change this two party dictatorship----------or if we dont get out and vte they will wait till the anger goes away and carry on as before.
Or the equally odious UKIP...
Jim Dowd,our MP didn't claim for nothing wrong.
His "girlfriend" the Labour MP for Darwin,Blackburn, claims for 2nd home, travelling,trains,petrol,airfares........
She lives with him in Forest Hill.
Utter scum.
They're really not. Labour people would rather the electorate turned out and voted for any party other than the BNP - including the Tories - and so would many Tories, in my experience.
As for the importance of the elections, the EU doesn't have much of a say in any of the things that actually matter to people - such as the NHS, income tax rates, policing, education, transport, local government - and pretty much nobody understands what it does do. That's the reason the turnout last time was 38% and it will be most of the explanation why it's poor this time around as well.
Maybe the Government should spend some money on education the people it's asking to vote in the elections, rather than cleaning motes and buying fancy pictures?
It was EU law that gave us the open borders-------------it was the Labour party that ignored and shouted "scare monger --- racist" to anyone who warned what would happen . You clearly (like your party) fail to under stand the impact that +3 million people hiting the countries schools,NHS, housing and jobs market or its impact on the low paid.
Brown is a liar and a toad--------- gave who devolution ? what about the people of England , who are paying for it ?--------how about the vote on Europe which he promised ? what about the 2.5 million "British jobs for British workers" ?
Hasel Blears said the Labour Party should be geting out on the streets and telling the "white British working class" what this Labour Party has done for them, rather than leting the Ultra Right grab this vote ---------------- why aint they then?
IMO it would do this country a major major service if there was a large turn out (indications are it will be much higher than last time) and the two main parties got an awful hammering.
large majority Labour/Tory Governments have acted like One Party States and ignored time and time again the voters who put them there.
800,000 people voted BNP in the 2004 election it could well be double that this time---why ? because the main partys (as you have) say "dont vote facist" ------but you MUST win the ground that these people hold -----------not treat these voters with contempt. The Labur Party once represented the working people of the UK, now i have no idea who or what they are ? They need to re-engage with their core voters.
I think this vote could be the most important for several decades.
UKIP are the moneyed up wing of the CBI.
If you want a minimum wage & reasonable working hours don't vote UKIP!
its a closed shop....
humanity has been hypnotised that we are eating an appple when actually its a potato.....
If you want the Government of these islands to actually govern........vote UKIP
If you want England divided into nine Euro-regions (not Brown's Scotland though)....... vote Labour.
If you want more of the same, but wearing a blue rosette............vote Conservative
If you want England to be treated equally within the (dis)united Kingdom............vote English Democrats
If you want to live in a cave, travel everywhere by Oxen and eat grass. Then freeze to death in winter..vote Green
If you want to take us back to the world of Hitler, which cost the lives of millions .......vote BNP
If none of the above appeal...................vote Lib-Dum
Any Real "Leftwing" parties out there.........
"leftwing" That's sooooooooooooo yesterday..............
With due allowance for poetic licence that is a reasonable summary although in my view "Lib - Dum" are as pro EU if not more so than Red Labour and Blue Labour.
What about the Stability Pact?
http://ec.europa.eu/economy_finance/sg_pact_fiscal_policy/index_en.htm
When Major closed all the mines the Stability Pact was one of the reasons cited. I know that technically the UK is not part of EMU but this Government still endeavours to comply with the terms of it which in simple terms means that the areas you highlight ARE affected by the EU even if indirectly.
If one accepts your assertion for a moment, which is very debatable in my opinion, is it worse to have the scenario that you describe or no job at all because of EU regulation stifling business especially small businesses which employ the majority of people in the UK - despite the media usually focusing on multi national corporations such as GM Europe for example?
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I'm actually in favour of a plurality of parties, which will only result from a change in the electoral system, and I would agree that both major parties deserve a kicking for all sorts of reasons.
However, the fact remains that most mainstream political activists would want as big an anti-BNP turnout as possible, to limit their credibility and access to EU funding, even if those votes are for parties other than their own. A small turnout only benefits extremists because it makes their support look more significant than it is.
We have among us Islamic terrorists with families of 5, 6 ..10 all living on benefits while plotting against us.
We have millions of unskilled individuals coming in when we aleady have over 2million unemployed (that gets nearer to 5million when young people and those on sickness benefit are included)
If you lived on a filthy council estate had no opportunity of finding work. Then found immigrant families being housed in private lodgings with a dozen Government agencies chasing after their every whim. How would you feel?
Of course people will look to the BNP! Because Labour has failed.
Labour has failed in everything it was supposed to succeed in. Labour was to be the new version of politics. Whiter than white! sleazefree! Government of the people! Prudent with the economy!
It lied to us about 'weapons of mass destruction'! It's taken our military into two unwinnable wars, costing hundred of dead British soldiers and thousands of Iraqi and Afghan citizens.
It promised us a vote on the Lisbon treaty, then reneged on it, because it knew it would lose.
"tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime" What a joke that is! Burglars let off with a caution. Inadequate sentences automatically cut by half. Knife crime running wild and politicians fiddling their expenses
Those are some of the reasons why people will consider the BNP. Personally i hope the BNP doesn't receive the voters backing, but i won't be shocked if they do. If the Government and indeed official opposition of any political persuasion fails to listen to the will of the majority, this is what happens.
To finish on a more personal level.
Labour has given Devolved Government (in varying degrees) to Scotland, Wales and even N.Ireland. But it's only plan for England, is to carve it up into nine Euro-regions. If you want to protest vote at the Euro elections and are proud of England and want to see England given Democratic equality within Britain, dont vote BNP but please consider the English Democrats. Not Right not Left not Racist
So glad to hear it's not a racist party : - (
"Racist" is a word to easily thrown about....